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OfflineSeussA
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The end is here!
    #568436 - 03/03/02 11:14 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Well, after reading the morning news, I noticed a couple of headlines that made me think of Swami. There have been all these arguments about regligion and various faiths, and faith itself, and so on and I gotta ask myself, "If all these people are right, and 'He' is so great, then how do you explain all the crap (killing) going on in the world in the name of 'God'?"

Religious Violence in India Kills More Than 400
Palestinian Attacks Kill 21 Israelis
In Isreal 1,200 people (Palestinians and Jews) have been killed in 17 months
All the killing between the terrorists and the US and the rest of the world
...etc...

And it isn't just recently. Throughout our time there has been killing in the name of 'God'. The crusades for example, or the massacre of the American Indians in the name of Christianity.

Now I have been told that 'God' is 'All Good' and that 'He' created 'Evil' so that we would have choice to follow 'Him' or not. This just doesn't hold, at least for me. How can something be 'All Good' before 'Evil' exists, or for that matter, create 'Evil' in the first place. Thats like saying the Pope should kill people because he is 'Good' and all he is really doing is helping to define the opposite.

Anyway, back to Swami. I couldn't help but think of his sig... something like 'Blind faith makes one blind'. He is correct. People seem to look at faith like the do love. "I have faith. I am in love." Look at how many people get divorced. Love isn't something you "are in" it is something "you are". Faith is the same way. I don't have faith in 'God', but rather I am faith in "". There is no such thing as conditional love. If love is conditional, it isn't love. If I believe in something blindly, then I really don't believe at all because what I believe in blindly doesn't really exist in the first place.


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Re: The end is here! [Re: Seuss]
    #568505 - 03/03/02 12:32 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

the people doing the killing are not holy. They use god as an excuse.


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Re: The end is here! [Re: Seuss]
    #568520 - 03/03/02 12:42 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

oh, and any organized religion becomes a cult. Jesus said to take 20 paces away from the group and niel and pray alone. no religion should be preached. there should be a different religion for each and every individual person.


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Re: The end is here! [Re: Shaw]
    #568694 - 03/03/02 04:31 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

the devil was walking down the street with a friend, and they saw a man pick something up, look at it carefully and put it in his pocket. the friend said to the devil, "what's that?" the devil said, "he has found a bit of the truth." the friend said, "isn't that bad for your business?" the devil said, "no, i am going to arrange to have him organize it."


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Re: The end is here! [Re: Shaw]
    #568702 - 03/03/02 04:43 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

there should be a different religion for each and every individual person.

amen...


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Re: The end is here! [Re: Seuss]
    #569155 - 03/04/02 01:56 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

the jesus oatmeal


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Re: The end is here! [Re: Seuss]
    #569167 - 03/04/02 02:11 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

that " the end is here " shit, is so last year. get with it. duh.


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Re: The end is here! [Re: raytrace]
    #569414 - 03/04/02 10:31 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

...so true...thanks....I believe that religion is the worst thing that ever happened to true spiritual experience
.....without first hand experience there is no hope...but you can't get the first hand experience unless you first believe
....Seuss is right, religion is like a blind faith and that makes you blind....but if you're believing in a universal truth---then that blindness extends against the evil that resists you...it becomes the shield against all the things that would attempt to discourage and cause you to give up....

Another way of looking at it is that you will believe in something....even if that belief is that there is nothing to believe in...
Belief is a shield against what you are not and it supplies you with daily hope or hopelessness...depending on what you chose to believe in.....


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Re: The end is here! [Re: Tannis]
    #569426 - 03/04/02 11:01 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

> Seuss is right, religion is like a blind faith and that makes you blind.

Actually, that came from Swami, I just happen to agree with him. -grin-



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Re: The end is here! [Re: Seuss]
    #569479 - 03/04/02 11:52 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Now I have been told that 'God' is 'All Good' and that 'He' created 'Evil' so that we would have choice to follow 'Him' or not.
This just doesn't hold, at least for me. How can something be 'All Good' before 'Evil' exists, or for that matter, create 'Evil' in
the first place.

"Good" and "Evil" are objective phenomenon. You define what is good and evil.

Thats like saying the Pope should kill people because he is 'Good' and all he is really doing is helping to
define the opposite.

Killing is not nessessary, but the possibitlity of killing, or "evil" must exist for there to be a "good".




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Re: The end is here! [Re: Seuss]
    #569838 - 03/04/02 08:28 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I have been thinking a lot about religion lately. Allow me to offer a possible explanation for God creating Evil. In The Bible, it is said God gives man the right to choose. He created the devil to test the faith and character of his creation. If we prove to god that we connot be tempted, and ultimately do good... we will be sent to heaven as a reward. God created man and fashioned him after himself, however our faith must be tested so we may be granted eternal life.

I'm pretty darn sure that's the essence of it... but if I've misinterpreted it, so be it. I just find it hard to believe that there is nothing after death. If you look at the human culture, it is focused around good and evil. It is a theme seen everywhere, since the beginning of time. If humans are not rewarded for doing good... then why doesn't everyone just steal and kill for pure pleasure?


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Re: The end is here! [Re: Color_of_Sound]
    #570026 - 03/05/02 12:16 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

if god is perfect and all powerful, why would he need to test the character of his creation? it would be perfect. i fear the true answer is something more sinister... perhaps our creator is not as all-powerful as we tend to believe.

as for reward for doing good... well, i don't steal and kill for pleasure because i don't get pleasure out of it. it has nothing to do with society or what i've been taught. when i help someone or make someone/something happy, i feel satisfaction. when i hurt someone, or take advantage of someone, i feel disgusted with myself. it's nothing to do with what i've been taught. i can't really explain why. perhaps because i'm not selfish, perhaps because i understand that all material and physical pleasures are temporal. i can't explain it but the point is that if i really try, i can tell if what i'm doing feels right or wrong. i could care less what people think of me, what society tells me, or what i become/what i possess in this world. i want to be successful and enjoy life, but i want to do it in a way that i feel satisfied with.


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