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MongoloidGnome
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Amanita M. ID needed. (Brazil)
#5683517 - 05/28/06 02:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hello, that's my first post here. So... I need help with some amanita, there's plenty around here so I have quite a few. I just want to make sure before I take some, since this will be my first amanita trip. Also, should I dry them?



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YESSUP
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Yes you need to dry them first...
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Edited by YESSUP (05/28/06 03:58 PM)
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They appear to be Amanita muscaria, they have pretty distinct concentric rings around the base. Not sure what variety though.
Look around this site/erowid or do a google search on preparation techniques for these mushrooms. Also read a few trip reports on them, particularly the bad ones. Most people that have tried A. muscaria got very sick, hated every minute of it, and will never do it again.
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Re: Amanita M. ID needed. (Brazil) [Re: Gumby]
#5683682 - 05/28/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You possibly might end to up paying for your trip for the ambulance taxi.....isnt recommended you should try these...
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Re: Amanita M. ID needed. (Brazil) [Re: shroominDole]
#5683697 - 05/28/06 03:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Id love to photograph that stinking mushroom in its habitat... But I highly doubt id consume it. There is a score of reports on the internet about this mushroom so I do feel id agree with Gumby and Dole...
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Nice pictures - it's good that you got all pieces of the mushroom, it's important to see the base of the stems. 
I wouldn't eat 'em either though.
All that I ever really do with them is take pictures for my photo collection.
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Re: Amanita M. ID needed. (Brazil) [Re: eris]
#5683773 - 05/28/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow, thanks for the fast replies. Well, I'll probably eat 4~6, I've read quite a few reports, some of them appear to be terrible, I think I'll try to smoke them also.
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I just dry perfect caps of them and use them as pot pourii. They look pretty cool like that
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4-6 mushrooms sounds like a mighty heavy dose to me. I don't recommend you eat them either, but if you must, start small. I seem to recall reading about horrible trips from a few mouths full.
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Re: Amanita M. ID needed. (Brazil) [Re: Amatoxin]
#5683892 - 05/28/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice dude! Be shirr to peal all the red skin with the white specs off of the caps. The red skin and white dots are highly toxic. Then dry the skinned caps and start with two healthy bites. No need to dry and eat the stems. Once you find Amanita's it will never stop. Its almost like there chasing you and popping up every ware you go!
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Re: Amanita M. ID needed. (Brazil) [Re: DaveTX]
#5683901 - 05/28/06 05:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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They taste like lobster so don't forget that your not at a seafood banquet and get carried away.
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Re: Amanita M. ID needed. (Brazil) [Re: DaveTX]
#5684417 - 05/28/06 07:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Awesome, thanks for the tips everyone. I have around 16~20 caps, I'm drying them right now, I've read about preparation and it appears so that if I boil them I shouldn't have much trouble with nausea, a good mj hit is said to be a good option. I'll eat 'em dry though. After I take them (I'll start with a medium sized one, and If needed I'll eat one or two more - yeah, 6 amanitas seems TOO much) I'll post here to report that I'm alive and well (or not :p). I was just afraid of destroying angels, but they aren't common around the pine forests here (I don't even think they exist here, but you never know...).
Edited by MongoloidGnome (05/28/06 07:44 PM)
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DaveTx I have never heard of the - red white spots being toxic, are you sure that is not a rumor?
The Amanitas with a darker red and more white spots were considered the best most highly prized specimens to the Indian shamans - they were reported to be the strongest.
Since you have lots of amanitas - throwing away the stems like you have is fine. The majority of the active components are in/just under the red skin - which is why I dont think you should throw them away.
You could scoop out the gils with a spoon - further minimising the amount of low yeilding mushroom - hopefully cutting out some nausea.
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Re: Amanita M. ID needed. (Brazil) [Re: Feelers]
#5684612 - 05/28/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Look, iv herd that the white specs are not what you want to eat! Therefor I peal the skin off and the specs go right along with. Ill try the spoon gill scoop thing like you say and see if that dose any thing new. But still if it is a rumor, its not a rumor that you will ever find me testing!!!
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Re: Amanita M. ID needed. (Brazil) [Re: DaveTX]
#5684769 - 05/28/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think that the white spot thing is a rumor. And considering the source (ahem)... probably not true.
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Re: Amanita M. ID needed. (Brazil) [Re: DaveTX]
#5684810 - 05/28/06 10:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I believe the white dots are actually left over veil remnants - perhaps someone can confirm this? Actually here you go..... Quote:
Variety muscaria is a classic mushroom. Fully grown, the cap is usually around 12 cm in diameter (up to 30 cm) with a distinctive blood-red colour (crimson, fading to yellow with age), scattered with white to yellow, removable flecks (warts), which are remnants of the universal veil, a membrane that encloses the entire mushroom when it is still very young. The stem is white, 5-20 cm, with a basal bulb that bears universal veil remnants, in the form of a ragged collar or group of ruffs that circles the base of the stalk (or stipe).
Taken from wikipedia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria
I thik everyones a little hyper in their anti "muscaria-ism" If dried thouroughly in a fruit dehydrator nausea can be lessoned - and my friends really enjoyed the trip. Its quite an unusual drug. My experience was eating caps and stems freshly cooked in a spaghetti sauce - so it wasnt a good one.
Dried and taken properly it could well be another story. I am thinking about some sort of extraction could be interesting...
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Re: Amanita M. ID needed. (Brazil) [Re: Feelers]
#5685156 - 05/28/06 11:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Can't wait to read the trip report...
Edited by jeffpro (05/28/06 11:42 PM)
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Re: Amanita M. ID needed. (Brazil) [Re: jeffpro]
#5685297 - 05/29/06 12:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice recorce dude. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria So it sais cook them with the skin, stem, warts and all.
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Re: Amanita M. ID needed. (Brazil) [Re: DaveTX]
#5685346 - 05/29/06 12:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Any how, the next time you ever hear a crazed sounding laugh echoing from a far out distance of the woods. Be shure to note that some one found a patch of amanitas...
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Re: Amanita M. ID needed. (Brazil) [Re: DaveTX]
#5685438 - 05/29/06 01:31 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ahhh, Dave - you can cook them with the stem - caps and all. The reason I suggest not doing it is because the majority of the active chemicals are in the caps - and considering there is nausea associated with eating them - you want to get the most actives - in the smallest amount of mushroom material possible. "The most bang for your chuck ,you could say". 
That excerpt is from how to identify Amanita muscaria - and in questioning wikipedia as a source - where's your poisonous white dot theory coming from? There is credible evidence elsewhere also showing that the dots are just veil remnants - and therefore HIGHLY unlikely to do anything. -Here's one from erowid if thats "more credible"Quote:
.....is bright to blood red with a white universal veil. This universal veil will entirely cover the youngest mushrooms, will form whitish spots or warts on mature mushrooms, and may eventually wash or wear off with age. These spots often form concentric circles, although they can also appear randomly.
I have done a lot of research on amanitas - a lot of crap floating round about them - and I still have never heard of the poisonous dot theory.
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Re: Amanita M. ID needed. (Brazil) [Re: Feelers]
#5686712 - 05/29/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I understand, thanks for all your help Feelers.
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Re: Amanita M. ID needed. (Brazil) [Re: DaveTX]
#5687274 - 05/29/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dave have you had good experiences with amanitas? It seems like you are one of the few here who have tried them more than once?
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Re: Amanita M. ID needed. (Brazil) [Re: Feelers]
#5687531 - 05/29/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, all my experiences have been good. Its almost godly with occasional spurts of uncontrolled laughter and excitement...
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Re: Amanita M. ID needed. (Brazil) [Re: DaveTX]
#5687951 - 05/29/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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So... I ate one of the small ones half a hour ago, more importantly, I've peeled the skin like it says here: http://peyote.com/jonstef/flyagaric.htm#fly8
I'm having a very nice time right now, it's different from pot, but at same time the buzz resembles it a lot. Im not salivating like mad, but I'm salivanting for sure. Plus, the smell of the burned amanita was somewhat pleasant. Strange, but very good at same time, I could smoke that stuff everyday. Someone knows if it's bad for the lungs?
I'll take pics of the dried and smashed stuff after preparing it tomorrow. Btw, I'll take a bigger amanita tomorrow, maybe two or three. It doesn't taste bad at all.
We'll, off I go.
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Glad to hear
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Re: Amanita M. ID needed. (Brazil) [Re: Feelers]
#5688872 - 05/29/06 10:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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anything smoked hot is bad for the lungs ...
my dealing with amanitas is that the white dots wash off very easy in water, and that the gills are usually full of maggots. So it makes good sense to scoop all that nasty stuff out and just use the skin etc.
I also found that they gave a similar buzz to pot, from a low dose (smoked). Very tasty indeed!
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Re: Amanita M. ID needed. (Brazil) [Re: Bungel]
#5689977 - 05/30/06 08:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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About the white dots, I have some more pics, but most of amanitas I've catched didn't have the dots anymore. The rain washed it all my friends. I ate one more cap yesterday after 2 hours or so, a very small one... No nausea, no nothing, no effect whatsoever. Suppose I'll have to consume a bigger cap?
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One of three things might have happened. First the mushrooms you have picked are not very potent, the second is that your tolerance has built up to the effects, or the third being that you did not consume enough. So in other words, I don't know what to tell you...
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Re: Amanita M. ID needed. (Brazil) [Re: DaveTX]
#5691863 - 05/30/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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One small cap isnt very much IMO. You want about three medium sized caps if you wanna medium trip. 5 for a strong.
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Re: Amanita M. ID needed. (Brazil) [Re: Feelers]
#5693541 - 05/31/06 01:18 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shit dudes... I ate 3 caps (a big one and two small caps) yesterday and I got ou for a running. I ran a mile and made a pitstop to smoke a mj cigar+driedamanita. When I came back to home I was kinda high, in a very strange way, I got very dizzy and had to lay down... I slept for 9 hours straight. And probably through the effects too. Before I slept I felt my legs and arms were much bigger than before and I thought I couldn't use my bed, I was also much more stronger than normal, because I came back VERY fast from my running, after that I can't remember a thing, I haven't even dreamed :/
Gonna try more this week, I think maybe I'll stick with smoked amanitas for a while after this.
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Thanks for the report! Thats pretty interesting. On the sleeping thing its probably a good idea to have an alarm clock or to get someone to wake you up. -There's no point in missing out on the trip, but its probably pretty sweet to miss out on a bit of nausea.
I tried smoking and I didnt feel much at all. I might give it another go hmmm.
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