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accesstwo
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possible...but would it help the flushes
#5682765 - 05/28/06 08:08 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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if i made popcorn or wbs jars let them fully colonise the broke them apart and fill a small curry tray(sterilized of course) with half popcorn or wbs and half soaked vermiculite. then let the cake recolonise the vermiculite, then birth the cake normally in a 100rh fanning three times a day. i won't double end case it or roll it in vermiculite(as half the cake would be water anyway)(maybe in the third or fourth flush to rehydrate it).
i assume this would work, as the more water is in the cake the more the myc can produce more and better flushes until the nutriments run out.
i think im going to try this and see if it works
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Re: possible...but would it help the flushes [Re: accesstwo]
#5682774 - 05/28/06 08:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ya go for it dude but thats what a casing layer does, gives moisture to the substrate.
Cant dunk WBS I think it would get gross and contamed
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Re: possible...but would it help the flushes [Re: Atheist]
#5682925 - 05/28/06 09:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It begs the question: Why spawn your grains to an inert substance like vermiculite, when during the same timeframe you could be spawning your grains to manure, coir, straw, etc, which would increase yields instead of diluting your grain spawn? RR
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accesstwo
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Re: possible...but would it help the flushes [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5682958 - 05/28/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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because some people like me, would have trouble using straw or poo or coir. using verm theres almost no chance of contam as there is nothing for contams to feed off and i think it would improve the cake one way or another maybe it will be able to have 5 good flushes without being dunked, and the extra moisture availible to the myc will let it drink as much as it wants.
casings are more diffecult for the average noobie grower like me to master, so i'll perfer to get the most that i can out of simple cakes, since cakes are so easy to use. birth, use perlite, fan once a day in three to four weeks enjoy .
since the inert substance is providing water to the myc, the myc will be able to provide bigger and better flushes.
i will definently try this and will compare the two cakes; one with half half verm added, the other just a normal corn/wbs cake.
this might make for a good experiment
maybe i will use 1/3 straw in one to see if it helps-1/3 corn, 1/3 mosit verm, 1/3 straw. or maybe im thinking of to mny ideas at once.
i tihnk i'll just stick to this experiment
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accesstwo
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Re: possible...but would it help the flushes [Re: accesstwo]
#5682965 - 05/28/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"WBS isn't recommended for fruiting from cakes becuse it holds a lot less water than BRF/verm or rye grain, so the potential yields are a lot less, purely due to the lack of water. It makes a great spawn though....:) "(Champion des Champignons).
so if it had access to water, potensial yeilds would be achieved
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accesstwo
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Re: possible...but would it help the flushes [Re: accesstwo]
#5682984 - 05/28/06 10:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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it would b good to find out which substrate is best for cakes. i've seen many posts that say cakes stop producing flushes because of the lack of water. i think im going to do a normal corn cake vs a half corn half verm cake(this one would be twice as big due to the verm being added), both cakes will be innoc with the same substrain and then we will see if the extra water the cake has increases its yeild.
i don't think i will be able to dunk the straight corn cake due to it breaks apart easily.
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Re: possible...but would it help the flushes [Re: accesstwo]
#5683048 - 05/28/06 10:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have grown (fruited) on ALOT of WBS and have always had to be on my casing water demands. I liked the inexpensive yields and the WBS cased bags for the setup I had at the time but the casing layers maintance was always a bit of a PITA so I can see where your coming from here bro. Now understand BRF uses opened (crushed) grains not whole grains or grains with tough hulls (WBS) so nutrients won't be as readily available so that will also play a big roll here. Also corn has never been a good fruiting substrate but I still think this will be an interesting experiment so take lots of GOOD QUALITY pics bro! BTW casings are way easy if you have read and understood what you have read. Also having confidence helps!
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Re: possible...but would it help the flushes [Re: hyphae]
#5683081 - 05/28/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i recently spawned wbs, 4 quarts to, equal amounts verm., last sunday. i put it back in the incubator for 1 week and just cased it today with 25/25/50+, that is verm/coir/peat/lime. i know you weren't going to case but it think the verm i added will help with flushes, moisture content. previous wbs cakes have sucked for me and all i did was case them. i think hyphae is right about the hulls though, fruits were always kinda small and less potent. we'll see how this next one works out. wish i could post pics but mine are always way over 200 kb and i am computer illiterate.
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Re: possible...but would it help the flushes [Re: maxpower210]
#5683096 - 05/28/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Don't get me wrong I had alot of larger fruits (30-60gm average) with decent flushes overall. I also averaged 5-6 flushes per bag before they got tossed OD. Potency was never an issue at least for me.
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy. Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is Gas Exchange vs. FAE "We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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accesstwo
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Re: possible...but would it help the flushes [Re: hyphae]
#5683210 - 05/28/06 11:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i think SWIM will just stick to brf cakes and do a lil experiment on the side if she has space.
she doesn't think theres any point in adding more vermiculite since it will take up more space, and if its less fruits for the same space as brf then she doesn't see the point. she is getting really pressed for space so she thinks she will have to put this on her waiting list for when she is not doing anything.
she hopes to do 12 birthed brf cakes and 12 invitro within a month and a half(meaning starting to invitro after the month of a half)after the third flush she will throw away the invitro cakes and maybe start this experiment.
so all in all 3 months until this might start, unless she loses 2 jars, in which case she will have space lol.
i bet some of you are hoping for 2 of her jars to fail arn't you?
after the 3 months she may even do weird combinations of substrates, such as using half straw and half brf+verm or half popcorn and half wbs
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