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A.N.2.M (AUSTRALIANS NEW TO MYCOLOGY)
    #5682451 - 05/28/06 02:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I had the idea to write and post this thread after seeing how upset many regular and more experienced shroomers can become when noobs (such as myself) ask questions or post pics of a basic and unknowledgable nature.
This is understandable, how many times would any of us want to hear 'what is good weather for hunting mushrooms' before beginning to become frustrated.
Obviously there are many members with a great level of knowledge in mycology, and they do deserve a level of respect for this knowledge. That said though, it can become disheartening when a 'noob' who is sincerely posting in hope of learning and is bombarded with hostility for their lack of knowledge.

Hence AN2M is born! This thread is here in the hope that those new to the culture can learn the basics, ask insanely amatuer questions, and post images of mushrooms that could well be as commonly seen in a supermarket grocery section... without being abused!

It is my hope that any more experienced members who see this thread might offer their knowledge and expertise in a tolerant and friendly manner. This thread is aimed at those who wouldnt know an active mushroom for a damn shitaki mushroom, so please be aware that NOOB QUESTIONS will be in abundance.
Any new Australian shroom hunters are encouraged to post their pics here without fear of reprisal for their ignorance. Not even the most knowledgable shroomer was born with mycology knowledge and skills inbeded in their mothers fetus, we are all beginners (noobs) at some point, so this is the home of the noob! please feel welcome!

(NOTE: any experienced shroomers, your skill and knowledge will always be welcomed here as long as its posted with kind intentions and polite wording. At the risk of sounding rude, if you dont like noob questions...or answering them, go elsewhere!!!)

Thankyou

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Re: A.N.2.M (AUSTRALIANS NEW TO MYCOLOGY) [Re: sassette_smurf]
    #5682488 - 05/28/06 02:52 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'll kick this one off with todays hunt,

As is the nature of noob'ness, I have little to no idea which are active, and which are not. If there are no comments from knowledgable members I'll do my best to arrange some input from one. (that goes for all noob members posts)

These days i take pics (and grab 1 or 2) of anything that looks new to me or interesting. The reason I do this is to LEARN. By learning about non-actives as well as actives I think you will develope a well rounded understanding of Australian Mycology.
My interest has developed from only being curious bout mushys that you  can trip on, but any that look interesting, fascinating,colourful, or simply different.

That said, here are todays pics/finds

Just me, or does this look BLUE!!! … AS!!




Flying saucers



Frilled yellow/orange



German helmet



Frilled (growing from tree)



What looks like golden tops (subs)



Any and all polite and constructive comments would be much appreciated. thanks everyone! :smile:


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Re: A.N.2.M (AUSTRALIANS NEW TO MYCOLOGY) [Re: sassette_smurf]
    #5682491 - 05/28/06 02:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Note: the 'names' Ive given ARE NOT real terms, but simply silly descriptions I have made up to identify one pic from another.


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Re: A.N.2.M (AUSTRALIANS NEW TO MYCOLOGY) [Re: sassette_smurf]
    #5682524 - 05/28/06 03:18 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i've been informed by a very knowledgable member/mod that all are inactive, except for the last photo(which is from a previous mission)and have been 99% confirmed as subs. i did score another batch of those too :smile:

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Re: A.N.2.M (AUSTRALIANS NEW TO MYCOLOGY) [Re: sassette_smurf]
    #5682547 - 05/28/06 03:59 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

how can you be sure they are subs from 1 photo of the top of the cap?
I would have thought a gill color, stem color (bluing), spore color and smell would all all be things that will get you a 99% ID..


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Re: A.N.2.M (AUSTRALIANS NEW TO MYCOLOGY) [Re: sassette_smurf]
    #5682548 - 05/28/06 04:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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sassette_smurf said:


allready blue in the ground before being picked, does anyone know what this is/means?




That is definitely NOT the 'blue' you should be looking for. That's purple and very different to sub blue.

This is probably the fifth time I've posted this pic since I took it (hey, I like it!) but have a look at it. The bluing at the bottom of the stems is what you are after. It looks a bit grey in the photo but when you see it in real life you'll know it.



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Re: A.N.2.M (AUSTRALIANS NEW TO MYCOLOGY) [Re: Bread]
    #5682557 - 05/28/06 04:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Bread said:
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sassette_smurf said:


allready blue in the ground before being picked, does anyone know what this is/means?




That is definitely NOT the 'blue' you should be looking for. That's purple and very different to sub blue.

This is probably the fifth time I've posted this pic since I took it (hey, I like it!) but have a look at it. The bluing at the bottom of the stems is what you are after. It looks a bit grey in the photo but when you see it in real life you'll know it.





Indeed.. also smurf, subs are the only active mushroom you should be worried about finding if you are new to mushroom hunting all together.
Where abouts are you hunting if you dont mind me asking (not a specific location)?


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Re: A.N.2.M (AUSTRALIANS NEW TO MYCOLOGY) [Re: sassette_smurf]
    #5682786 - 05/28/06 08:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Go to http://www.erowid.org and read John W. Allen's book there called, "Magic Mushrooms of australia and new Zealand." That should give you an idea about shrooms in your country.

mj


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Re: A.N.2.M (AUSTRALIANS NEW TO MYCOLOGY) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5683751 - 05/28/06 04:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hi John  :thumbup:


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Re: A.N.2.M (AUSTRALIANS NEW TO MYCOLOGY) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5683768 - 05/28/06 04:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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shroomer_nick said:That is definitely NOT the 'blue' you should be looking for. That's purple and very different to sub blue.





Your first mushroom is Cortinarius archeri....Corts are among the deadliest of shrooms....

number 2 is probably a Honey Mushroom.....either Armillaria (Armillariella) mellea or tabescens from the pics.....would need more to be sure if Im wrong could be something poisonous......but compare yours to the literature on the web or books....

Number 3 is a beauty pic and shroom ....looking at the cap and gills two things came to mind immediately until I saw the stem so.....could probably get you closer if I had time but that should be a fun one to try for you as it is rather distinct looking.....

you should practice learning how to make spore prints etc...

none of those can be positively identified as active shrooms from those pics.....

for active they must bruise blue AND have the correct color spores and I can assure you that your top 5 flix are NOT any thing active...

have you thought of running them thru the Melbourne thread ?
......kidding...


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Re: A.N.2.M (AUSTRALIANS NEW TO MYCOLOGY) [Re: shroominDole]
    #5684491 - 05/28/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks a heap for the info bread and nick,

Sorry maybe I didn¡¦t explain clearly enough and made it appear that the purple looking mushroom was the one I thought was golden. Obviously this one looks nothing like the golden¡¦s.
That pic. IS fantastic by the way ļbread, and that is precisely what the ones I have been picking look like ļ
Also thanks for suggesting I only bother with golden¡¦s. I only bother eating golden¡¦s, but I do pick anything I¡¦ve never seen before just for the sake of learning as much as I can.
Your pics (among one or two others) have been what I predominantly use as my source of reliable info, so for that too, thank you.
I¡¦ve PM¡¦d you MJ, but I wanted to thank you again for your great suggestions on what site¡¦s to use for study material, It¡¦ll take me forever to get through them all! (Which is perfect, means I¡¦ll always have more to sink my teeth into)
Just a footnote, I haven¡¦t consumed any of these mushrooms (except the last batch which were great) as I only trust the golden¡¦s (which as nick suggested are the safest bet for beginners to hunt).
Thanks Dole for (the most likely) scientific names. To be honest the scientific names just blur into a jumble at such an early stage of shroomery for me, but in time as I learn more they will obviously become invaluable.
As for ¡¥running them through the Melbourne thread :P lol ummm yeah, I did. I don¡¦t have any problem at all with that thread; I have a folder full of pics that I use as reference material that has %90 content thanks to that fantastic thread.

I think it¡¦s most likely just a case of experienced shroomers getting REALLY fed up with noob questions (which as I said in my first post of this thread) is totally understandable.
That thread distinctly says ¡§finds only¡¨ and if that¡¦s what they would like the thread limited to, that is fair, and totally their right, I have nooo problem with that what so ever.

I just find discussion a great way to learn and share thoughts, so I would never want to limit anyone¡¦s desire to speak, comment or ask things.
That thread is obviously for more advanced shroomers, so it¡¦s probably not the best place for me and such noobs.

Anyway, thank you so much guys for helping us noobs, and I trust your kind and polite manner will make any other noobs feel comfortable enough to post their finds in this thread.

P.S A thanks to Nick, Blue meanie, Moshroom, MJ and all the knowledgeable shroomers who have made learning about shroomery a lot easier.
P.P.S Sorry almost forgot to answer your question Nick; we hunt in and around Emerald. We hit ¡¥Bobs Park¡¦ a few times, but find it¡¦s always tapped out. The cleanly uprooted mushys and fresh stuby¡¦s kind of give it away that it¡¦s been raped. So we just stop here and there along the roadside¡¦s and just wander through the bush until we find mushys or don¡¦t.
Oh man, BTW, we found the most insanely bizarre fungal growth I¡¦ve ever seen. It was bright green on the underside, bright white inside, and grey on the surface. It was a HUGE thick chunk of growth off a fallen tree. I should have taken a pic; it was one of the most bizarre things I¡¦ve ever seen. No gills, no stem, just a chunk of toxic looking growth. Does this sound like anything anyone¡¦s ever seen before? It was weird as!
I¡¦ll be getting a new cable for my scanner next pay so I.D¡¦ing my finds should be much easier. Our camera is only a shitty cheap digital as rent, rego, bills, petrol and other such expenses has made buying something better impossible for the time being. I trust the scanner will take care of this problem. I¡¦ll photograph them in their natural environment, scan them, and write up a description inc. Caps colour texture taste gills etc.
(and in case you¡¦re worried for me, I know not to eat them before they¡¦re I.D¡¦d, rather chew n spit out a tiny bit (see I¡¦ve been reading! :P) and the other criteria of a thorough description.
FOR NOOBS NEEDING TO KNOW THE MOST EFFECTIVE METHOD OF DESCRIBING YOUR FINDS, I found this thread in my studies, very much worth your time to read!
http://www.shroomery.org/index.php/par/23917

Anyway, take care guys! Thanks again, and any other noobs, please feel free to post!

S.Smurf


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Re: A.N.2.M (AUSTRALIANS NEW TO MYCOLOGY) [Re: sassette_smurf]
    #5689629 - 05/30/06 03:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

if someone that knows their stuff has ok'd that last pic thats fine i guess, i suggest including the stems in ur future pics as they are ur best bet for a quick accurate id.

even more so, id cut one, and take pics of it from the top, bottom (showing gills), stem, and a pic of the spore print. if u have all thoes pics, chances are someone will id them instantly, then if there subs u can go back and get em all b4 someone else snatches em up.


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Re: A.N.2.M (AUSTRALIANS NEW TO MYCOLOGY) [Re: moshroom]
    #5689674 - 05/30/06 04:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks Mosh,

I'm still not getting the hang of making spore prints. The only time i eve made one was when i wasn't even trying, and it was a non active anyway, so yeahhh.
I'm seriously thinking of giving up this season. I've done hunts in schools, churches, public parks, creeks, forrests, everywhere that grows grass, tress, barkbeds, fallen tree's, any living flora. The most Ive found has been a fist full of 'most likly subs'. I mean literally, a fistful.
Whatever the reason, i just dont find the goods. My boyfriend has had a lot of experience with hydroponics and has found the idea of cultivating cubes very interesting, so we're gonna give that a shot. We just need to find someone willing to help us out with some cube spore prints.
Anyway, thanks heaps Mosh, you're a good guy and appreciate your help that night a lot. Thankyou.
I dont know, I'll probably go on a few more hunts, but i definately wanna give growing some ourselves.
C ya Mosh, and ty again, you're a legend :smile:
S.Smurf


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Re: A.N.2.M (AUSTRALIANS NEW TO MYCOLOGY) [Re: sassette_smurf]
    #5689693 - 05/30/06 04:44 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

As long as you order spore prints (not syringes) you can get them sent to you safely, - after all its a piece of paper in an envelope. :laugh:


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Re: A.N.2.M (AUSTRALIANS NEW TO MYCOLOGY) [Re: Feelers]
    #5689825 - 05/30/06 06:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

isnt it illegal now to order spore prints to aus/nz?


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Re: A.N.2.M (AUSTRALIANS NEW TO MYCOLOGY) [Re: moshroom]
    #5692526 - 05/30/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I dont know if they're illegal.... but i'm not too fussed to be honest. :P
I have a fantastic antisocial mushroom pro whos taken me under his wing :smile: So this thread may (key word may) be sort of turning to a cultivation typa of thrad (unless others start putting up 'finds' and the thread kicks off in *that* sense.
If anyone would have objections to that please say so and a new thread will be opened instead :smile:
I'm so looking forward to growing some B+'s and equadors some point in the near future :smile:


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Re: A.N.2.M (AUSTRALIANS NEW TO MYCOLOGY) [Re: sassette_smurf]
    #5692772 - 05/30/06 09:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Well to start with - bringing in a new organsim would be the first hassel. Many thousands of dollars effort.
And - I imagine oz is the same as NZ - the spores are almost definately illegal.

The reason to not get syringes is because they scan mail -  if a syringe ever rolls past on the xray screen, most customs officials probably would regard that as requiring "further investigation".

I know - I have had a cop come round to my house for this exact reason. A week later I got a print in the mail. :laugh:
This was about 5 or more years ago - so no doubt they have even better "syringe o vision" equipment now.


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Re: A.N.2.M (AUSTRALIANS NEW TO MYCOLOGY) [Re: Feelers]
    #5693633 - 05/31/06 01:56 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

it is legal to posses spores in Australia


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Re: A.N.2.M (AUSTRALIANS NEW TO MYCOLOGY) [Re: tryptonite]
    #5693729 - 05/31/06 02:47 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Really? are you sure? I'll say I have no idea but our laws are generally very similar.


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Re: A.N.2.M (AUSTRALIANS NEW TO MYCOLOGY) [Re: Feelers]
    #5693884 - 05/31/06 05:29 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Here is some info on the "border situation": http://www.crimecommission.gov.au/content/publications/aidr_2003/07_Other_drugs.pdf

Just go down to page 109.


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