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The Art of Dreaming
    #5681415 - 05/27/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)
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Carlos Castaneda


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


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Re: The Art of Dreaming [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5682186 - 05/28/06 12:20 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

sounds interesting, think im going to read it over tomorrow.
thanks  :thumbup:


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Re: The Art of Dreaming [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5683651 - 05/28/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

This is actually at the top of my reading list, thanks man!

Thanks for the Lucid Dreaming book as well. It was a perfect juncture on my recently initiated path of intention.


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Re: The Art of Dreaming [Re: Viveka]
    #5684617 - 05/28/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

...all there is is dreaming....no other activity really exists in life...


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Re: The Art of Dreaming [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5684700 - 05/28/06 09:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"Row, row, row your boat,
gently down the stream.

Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
life is but a dream." :wink:

Whoever let that one slip through? :wink:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: The Art of Dreaming [Re: Icelander]
    #5684825 - 05/28/06 10:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

WAKE UP!


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Re: The Art of Dreaming [Re: opioq]
    #5684849 - 05/28/06 10:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Cool paper, interesting outlook on dreams, first time I've seen it in this context.

Dreams own, Lucid dreaming... nice way to get out of jail, in jail ;-)


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Re: The Art of Dreaming [Re: opioq]
    #5685895 - 05/29/06 09:07 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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opioq said:
WAKE UP! You can't remember where it was, had this dream stopped. -Jim Morrison.




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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: The Art of Dreaming [Re: Icelander]
    #5687269 - 05/29/06 04:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I understand that Castenada is fiction.... is this book still very useful for the dreamer to read? I plan to and am thankful the link.

Anyway...... anyone have tips on direct dream entry? I have to move eventually even if I count to "400 I am dreaming" first and spend an hour and a half doing it, dozing in and out of hypnagogia and near sleep states, still it's just tricky to get there when I go to bed.


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Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: The Art of Dreaming [Re: leery11]
    #5688164 - 05/29/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i am a very experienced lucid dreamer. carlos techniques are not recommended as an introduction to lucid dreaming. just start out with an internet search and master basic dream recall and learn to get lucid. Then read carlos castanedas stuff as inspiration and for really wierd, bizarre and far out advanced techniques.

I can assure you , his stuff is experientially effective. Ive had my most profound and massive and terrifyingly intense dream using his methods.


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Re: The Art of Dreaming [Re: Moonshoe]
    #5688170 - 05/29/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i am not a novice to lucid dreaming....

i just have great difficulties falling asleep consciously (as would most people I wager)

it's the one barrier between me and excellently vivid lucid dreams. I've been doing it for several years, have had several hundred... and if I were bent on practicing could have them all night long I'm sure.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: The Art of Dreaming [Re: leery11]
    #5688196 - 05/29/06 07:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Practice makes perfect. I abandoned it for some years so I could wallow in self pity but I've recently picked it back up.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: The Art of Dreaming [Re: Icelander]
    #5688218 - 05/29/06 08:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

what's the definition of a lucid dream? is it accurately portrayed in Vanilla Sky?


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Re: The Art of Dreaming [Re: Syle]
    #5688234 - 05/29/06 08:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Being fully conscious (as in the normal awake state) while dreaming.

I didn't see Vanilla Sky.


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Re: The Art of Dreaming [Re: Icelander]
    #5688275 - 05/29/06 08:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I just recently Had a dream within a dream within a dream.

All the fumbling around within the dream made it become lucid at some point and I started to prove to myself that I was in the dream and free to do what I want, and did so. I was basically fucking with the archetecture of the natural dream. The last thing I did was laugh to myself, and then I woke up amazed.

I used to have some crazy dreams, but ever after using ayahuasca they are so incredible. Many apocalyptic dreams. Some of which are very incredible, (world being bathed in light from a psychedelic bomb, and after the inpact everyone is for the most part, scared by its cognative effects and are trying to shake the colors off their bodies.
Im not the only person who thinks ayahuasca can permanently change your dreams.


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Re: The Art of Dreaming [Re: Icelander]
    #5688291 - 05/29/06 08:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Being fully conscious (as in the normal awake state) while dreaming.

I didn't see Vanilla Sky.




are you in control of the dream?


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Re: The Art of Dreaming [Re: Syle]
    #5688296 - 05/29/06 08:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You don't have to have control to become lucid. That is a further step in lucid dream work.


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Re: The Art of Dreaming [Re: Icelander]
    #5688300 - 05/29/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

damn, where do i sign up for this?


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Re: The Art of Dreaming [Re: Syle]
    #5688305 - 05/29/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)



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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: The Art of Dreaming [Re: Icelander]
    #5688349 - 05/29/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

cool, gracias ice


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Re: The Art of Dreaming [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5690680 - 05/30/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I had my first lucid dream last night since taking up my dream journal again last week. I've been using a voice recorder, an option I hadn't considered to be effective before, but the great thing about is is that I can easily record after each REM period throughout the night. Plus, writing in bed is a real pain. More importantly, I've been doing so called reality tests throughout the day, whenever I observe something seemingly synchronistic or strange, anytime I smell something unexpectedly, see a door open, the more signposts the better.

In this dream, I was at a Ministry show down in an audience pit area (that was actually on a secondary level from the floor, reached by staircase) and the pit area is surrounded on three sides by an elevated wall. Al Jourgenson comes out and is walking along the top of this wall(I went to a Ministry show Sunday night, not while I was asleep...I believe) and under his black cowboy hat I notice he has three faces. I say to myself, am I dreaming? Realized I was and became lucid. I took off running down the stairs to this big open floor with no one else around and as I'm running along I begin sliding also, almost as if I'm skating on ice. I love to run everywhere whenever I'm lucid and it often builds to huge leaps and flight, usually depending on the terrain. As I'm running/sliding I see this large wall sized mirror and decide to make it fall. I run up and place one foot on it with sort of a stomping action, then push off and as I'm sliding backwards I watch it fall towards me and a large volume of air is displaced blowing some dust in my face. Then I turn around and keep running/sliding everywhere....

Also, as I was initially drifitng off to sleep last night, which always happens quickly, I fixed my intent to ask myself if I was dreaming and also to ask the first person I encountered if they were dreaming. I caught my mind wandering once and fixed it back on my intent just as i fell asleep. I am fairly certain my first REM period was where the lucid dream occured. I dod not remember to ask another person if they were dreaming. Maybe tonight.


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