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OfflineVandenberg
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Hydroponic Mushrooms
    #568099 - 03/03/02 12:03 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Im thinking of experimenting with hydro food and foam to create super long
"cake" life. You just dip the foam (low density) in the mix and then innoculate the foam (havnt worked this bit out) then when the flushes deteriorate you just dip it again!


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Re: Hydroponic Mushrooms [Re: Vandenberg]
    #568263 - 03/03/02 04:42 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

It won't work.


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Re: Hydroponic Mushrooms [Re: Nighted]
    #571162 - 03/06/02 03:47 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

wow, now this is a dumb idea. Just get a Hydrapod, don't be a cheap ass.


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Re: Hydroponic Mushrooms [Re: Kindnug]
    #571188 - 03/06/02 04:24 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Oh thankyou


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Re: Hydroponic Mushrooms [Re: Vandenberg]
    #571411 - 03/06/02 11:27 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Actually, it's not a bad idea. It's not a very popular idea, cuz so many noobs fill up bandwith with pipe dreams and no progress. Everybody thank thinks about it thinks too much along the hydro weed lines, but this isn't weed, it's fungus. It's nutrient and environmental needs are much different. I recomend you talk to doc charlie (aka dr. charles lindeman) if you can find him. He did a lot of research with floral foam which he was really excited about a while back. He thought it had the potential to not only revolutionize our hobby, but end world hunger too. Back in the Drool Donkey days it seemed as if he would get somewhere before he got popped. Don't know if he ever picked the experiments back up after he got released. So, contact him if you can, or search around the shroomery and the Forest floor to see if you can find any of his old posts. Good luck, but don't expect much help or entusiasm from most members. People would even roll eyes and sigh at the liked and respected dr. BTW, tell him I said howdy if you find him.


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Re: Hydroponic Mushrooms [Re: mycofile]
    #571471 - 03/06/02 12:50 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I was thinking of experimenting with this awhile ago, but forget. One problem, might be that the second stage, mycelium, has a definite life span. Not sure though.


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    #571477 - 03/06/02 12:55 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Hydroponic Mushrooms [Re: Anonymous]
    #571492 - 03/06/02 01:15 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Commercial growers have been trying to do this for years. I've discussed this with commercial growers and professors with doctorates in mycology. Many have laughed it off or deemed it impossible. I will believe it when I see it.


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    #571585 - 03/06/02 03:11 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Hydroponic Mushrooms [Re: Anonymous]
    #571661 - 03/06/02 04:43 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

What!? You're going to make me do a search? You could have posted the link...

P.S.
Forgive me for being skeptical, but your previous endeavours only give credence to my argument. C'mon...hydro-pod? Weren't you the one responsible for the "spore spreader" too? Please...

n00b's may fall for your spiel but the rest of us see you for the snake oil salesman that you appear to be. There...I've said it. Now come back and talk the talk when you can walk the walk. I promise, I'll eat my words.


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Edited by Nighted (03/06/02 06:16 PM)


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Re: Hydroponic Mushrooms [Re: Nighted]
    #571981 - 03/07/02 12:13 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Whatever myco is using, it does produce incredible flushes...He's not bullshitting about giving someone some of the formula and testing it...I remember seeing the pictures.


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Re: Hydroponic Mushrooms [Re: Anonymous]
    #572075 - 03/07/02 01:56 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

No offense Myco, but this person was talking about synthetic foam as a medium. Organic coco husk is a far different thing that you are talking about. Speaking in ganja terms, it would be like comparing a soil medium to a hydro medium. Your theory is to use Coco-husk as a solid carrier that is innoculated (or spawned) and supplemented with purely water. He is talking of inoculating standing water, in a way; because you could never inoculate a synthetic foam by itself. And even if you got some 1/4" layer of myc growing on it, what good do you think that would do you in terms of fruiting? I mean, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I've never heard of mushrooms growing in standing water. Much less in moving water like a hydroponic system. And to redip it in (un-sterile probably) juice every once in a while? You are much better off getting a pod and this new substrate Myco is talking about. From other responses it sounds like this idea has already been tried unsucessfully by people who know what they are doing. I can testify to the pods and I have seen all of the coconut substrate pics, everything Myco says about it is very true. Can't wait to get my hands on some myself!!!!


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Re: Hydroponic Mushrooms [Re: Nighted]
    #572100 - 03/07/02 02:15 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

eat your words Nighted, the pods work. And work better than whatever you are using I'm sure, because otherwise you would have info to back up your argument. Or can you really call it that? More like aggressive statements from a man with way too much time on his hands. Oh yeah, next time you might want to say why you don't like something; you know they call them reasons: don't just keep acting like a prick your whole life. Snake oil huh? If Myco said it was good for the pod, I'd buy it!!!!! I'm not afraid to try new ideas, even if they cost some money to try. With a warranty like the Hydrapod, you can't lose.


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    #572136 - 03/07/02 02:56 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Hydroponic Mushrooms [Re: Anonymous]
    #572168 - 03/07/02 03:24 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Wow, that is quite impressive. If I can get enough jars of that stuff for 3 pods, I will be in heaven!!! Much different than what my stuff looked like, which is probably why I am of course having problems! Oh well, it's fun anyway. I have a bunch of grain jars I am incubating, about 5 different strains total with 2-3 each. How would I go about picking the best strain (inoculated with multi-spore syringe) between the 2 jars of each strain? I'm thinking I should attempt this if I have to spawn those jars you are hooking me up with myself. Is there a way, something to look for to pick between the jars? Sorry if that quote pissed you off before, I was simply trying to point out that you have nutrients on (or bonded, in a loose sense of the word) the cake itself, there is no transfer of nutrients from the water supply. Hell, I don't know. If you can say that using a organic material like coco husk (who cares if its nuetral like foam, there are many things in nature with nuetral p.h.) is similar to foam, then I guess it should in theory also be possible to chop or grind up a bunch of foam to the same texture as coco husk and supplement it with the same 5% nutrients as you are using with positive results. But I just don't see that happening. I might be wrong though, and I'd love to be proven wrong here (about spawning or inoculating foam) That was really all I was trying to point out to whoever started this post who we haven't heard from in a while.


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    #572172 - 03/07/02 03:27 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Hydroponic Mushrooms [Re: Anonymous]
    #572183 - 03/07/02 03:40 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

That does look pretty nice Myco. I would be more impressed if you did a couple jars using geolite pebbles though. Mind you, I don't know if they would hold enough moisture, but it would be a good experiment that looks a little more "hydroponic" for all the naysayers. Why not give it a shot.

Cheers


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Re: Hydroponic Mushrooms [Re: Anonymous]
    #572363 - 03/07/02 11:51 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

mycoteck, as interesting as your subject may be, it has nothing to do with hydroponic mushrooms. Coco husks can be considered by definition to be a soil. I know, I wouldn't have thought so at first, but just look up hydroponic and soil in a dictionary. Still somewhat interesting stuff, but I guess you'll be selling it without publishing a formula, huh? If so, then it's pretty worthless to the vast majority of people here who are in a forum for experimenting, not reading adverts and corporate public relations press releases. Hopefully I'm wrong and you will post a recipe. If so, accept my apology in advance.

Anyway, a couple of things. Shrooms do and can grow from a nutrient solution. Even under water. Some pics were posted here a while back where it happened by accident. Fruits were straight up growing under water. Another thing, don't discount entirely the foam, nutrient solution idea. It has potential, it will just take some working on. From the little playing with it that I did, I found floral foam to be very contam resistant regardless of how contam prone you may think the liquid solution would be. Things like trich would show up, and look like they were going to spread, then they would just die and go away! If anybody finds doc dharlie, I'm sure he'll elaborate as he did way more testing than I did. Anyway, that's all for now.


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Re: Hydroponic Mushrooms [Re: mycofile]
    #572392 - 03/07/02 12:35 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

both Myco sevice and mycofile, I stand corrected. I never in my wildest dreams would have thought that mushrooms could grow in water, much less on a synthetic foam!!! Ever since I first got my pod I have been thinking about nutrients in the water, glad to hear that you have been working on that!!!!


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