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Re: Planet Earth: The endgame.. [Re: Skunk420]
#5755726 - 06/15/06 11:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would say that one of the smartest things we can do at this point is consider geographic locations and climate preferences for they both require different ways of sustaining life.
When shit hits the fan I would rather have some direction as to what to do than running around aimlessly and paranoid and looking for someone to provide my necessities.
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Re: Planet Earth: The endgame.. [Re: AlteredAgain]
#5755823 - 06/15/06 11:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey start saving up your cash flow, moving is not free...
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I been tinkering with the idea of portable, quick, and reliable generation of electicity. And making it out off easily found items that would litter a post "shit-hit-the-fan" situation.
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Re: Planet Earth: The endgame.. [Re: shymanta]
#5755845 - 06/16/06 12:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Planet Earth: The endgame.. [Re: shymanta]
#5755880 - 06/16/06 12:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Let's see... we've covered water purification, electricity, others.
What about militia (our and their's), communications, weapons, travel? Was food supply covered?
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Re: Planet Earth: The endgame.. [Re: shymanta]
#5756755 - 06/16/06 10:05 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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communication with who? food is easy. that is, food is very easy if you don't mind eating the same thing every day and it not tasting like icecream. you can grow kale which is a bitter tasting (i like the taste) green leaf that is packed with nutrients and you can live off it for a long time. spinach, jerusalem artichoke (takes no effort), sunflowers (harvest seeds). there are alot of native plants you can grow (like jerusalem artichoke http://www.holoweb.com/cannon/jerusale.htm) that take little effort leaving you time to build water distillers and just relax to conserve energy because you won't be making enough food probably to be physically working 24/7, assuming you all do not know how to farm. with alittle planing you can make food production easy. do as the indians did. they grew jerusalem artichoke (staple food replacement of potato, starch) and ate pinecone and acorns and simple crops that are native and easy to grow.
quick crash course in farming - most land is farmable. pinetrees make soil acidic ADD LIMESTONE
if its bare and has no life (living soil is black and has earthworms and stuff like this) spread manure and plant LEGUMES
legumes like pea, vetch, rye, white clover, create NITROGEN in the soil that your crops need. and are commonly used on organic farms (ive spent about 2 years farming and do alot of research) this guy's life work was to prepare you for this day when you will need to farm. because YOU wont have fertilizer, pesticide and other things that make farming difficult (have a cow around to throw the occasional pattie on there. fukuoka lets ducks roam in his gardens and says that is the only fertilizer he needs. a cow is obviously useful cuz some people can survive on jsut milk) : http://www.motherearthnews.com/DIY/1982_July_August/The_Plowboy_Interview__Masanobu_Fukuoka
FUKUOKA: First of all, I operate under four firm principles. The first is NO TILLING . . . that is, no turning or plowing of the soil. Instead, I let the earth cultivate itself by means of the penetration of plant roots and the digging activity of micro-organisms, earthworms, and small animals.
The second rule is NO CHEMICAL FERTILIZER OR PREPARED COMPOST. I've found that you can actually drain the soil of essential nutrients by careless use of such dressings! Left alone, the earth maintains its own fertility, in accordance with the orderly cycle of plant and animal life.
The third guideline I follow is NO WEEDING, either by cultivation or by herbicides. Weeds play an important part in building soil fertility and in balancing the biological community . . . so I make it a practice to control—rather than eliminate—the weeds in my fields. Straw mulch, a ground cover of white clover interplanted with the crops, and temporary flooding all provide effective weed control in my fields.
The final principle of natural farming is NO PESTICIDES. As I've emphasized before, nature is in perfect balance when left alone. Of course, harmful insects and diseases are always present, but normally not to such an extent that poisonous chemicals are required to correct the situation. The only sensible approach to disease and insect control, I think, is to grow sturdy crops in a healthy environment.
As far as my planting program goes, I simply broadcast rye and barley seed on separate fields in the fall . . . while the rice in those areas is still standing. A few weeks after that I harvest the rice, and then spread its straw back over the fields as mulch. The two winter grains are usually cut about the 20th of May . . . but two weeks or so before those crops have fully matured, I broadcast rice seed right over them. After the rye and barley have been harvested and threshed, I spread their straw back over the field to protect the rice seedlings. I also grow white clover and weeds in these same fields. The legume is sown among the rice plants in early fall. And the weeds I don't have to worry about . . . they reseed themselves quite easily!
In a 1-1/4-acre field like mine, one or two people can do all the work of growing rice and winter grain in a matter of a few days, without keeping the field flooded all season . . . without using compost, fertilizer, herbicides, or other chemicals . . . and without plowing one inch of the field! It seems unlikely to me that there could be a simpler way of raising grain.
As for citrus, I grow several varieties on the hillsides near my home. As I told you, I started natural farming after the war with just one small plot, but gradually I acquired additional acreage by taking over surrounding pieces of abandoned land and caring for them by hand. First, I had to recondition that red clay soil by planting clover as a ground cover and allowing the weeds to return. I also introduced a few hardy vegetables—such as the Japanese daikon radish—and allowed the natural predators to take care of insect pests. As a result of that thick weed/clover cover, the surface layer of the orchard soil has becomeover the past 30 years-loose, darkcolored, and rich with earthworms and organic matter. In my orchard there are now pines and cedar trees, a few pear trees, persimmons, loquats, Japanese cherries, and many other native varieties growing among the citrus trees. I also have the nitrogen-fixing acacia, which helps to enrich the soil deep in the ground. So by raising tall trees for windbreaks, citrus underneath, and a green manure cover down on the surface, I have found a way to take it easy and let the orchard manage itself!
PLOWBOY: Don't you also grow vegetables in a kitchen garden?
FUKUOKA: Actually, I raise such produce, in a semiwild manner, among the weeds all over the mountain. In my orchard alone I grow burdock, cabbage, tomatoes, carrots, mustard, beans, turnips, and many other kinds of herbs and vegetables. The aim of this method of cultivation is to grow crops as naturally as possible on land that might otherwise be unused. If you try to garden using." improved" high-yield techniques, your attempt will often end in failure as a result of infestation or disease. But if various kinds of herbs and other food crops are mixed together and grown among the natural vegetation, pest damage will be so low you won't have to use sprays, or even pick bugs off by hand.
To plant my vegetable crops, I simply cut a swath in the weed cover and put out the seeds. There's no need to top them with soil . . . I just lay the cut plants back over them as a natural mulch. Usually the resurgent weeds have to be trimmed back two or three times afterward to give the seedlings a head start, but sometimes just once is enough. Vegetables grown in this way are stronger than most people think. In fact, you can raise produce wherever there's a varied and vigorous growth of weeds . . . but to be successful, it is important that you become familiar with the yearly cycle of the indigenous weeds and grasses and learn what kinds of vegetables will best match them."
farmers dont need anything more than kale which can be grown very late in the year and all year round in places like florida. you will need to ease into FUKUoKAs method because it takes a while for 1. you to learn and 2. the land to become used to this. after a while you will have awesome tasty food but for the first few years you might be lucky to survive by eating kale and jerusalem artichoke and sprouted seeds. no tomatoes!!!! btw you can sprout any seeds you gather, just soak them in water overnight then keep them moist by rinsing a few times a day and they will grow and you will get more nutrition from them. this has been gone over, but i forgot to mention earlier that you HAVE to (i think) get non-hybrid seeds if you want to grow. any seeds can be sprouted however. i cannot stress enough how useful and necessary sprouting will become. nuts, seeds, beans, all these are actually seeds, right? eating them the way we do now (cooking or raw) is such a waste compared to soaking them and letting them grow first. sprouting makes 1 mans food feed 4 people (i dont know the exact amount but sprouting makes u eat less and feel better). hybrid seeds are more commonly sold, and do not produce the right kind of seeds the next year so you would have to buy seeds again, which wont be possible. the seeds are either infertile or something, i dont remember. non-hybrid, got it? a 40 lb bag of pulverized limestone wouldn't be a bad thing to have in your truck so when you run to the mountains... especially in northern latitudes pine needles cause soil to become too acidic for farming. with limestone though you can cut down trees and spread limestone and begin farming immediately.
travel... long distances is best bet a sailboat. don't sail the first year though cuz you will get pirated. sail under cover of darkness with no lights or radar reflectors and try and hide best you can during the day and make for africa or south america. a nuclear sub would be useful but you'd get torpedoed i bet.
ive had a dream similar to that gassing one,
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AA2277 said: we could have a jeep with a machine gun mount and go from town to town pillaging for more supplies
Great human spirit you got there.
While this does seem harsh.......if you think in a situation like this where the world has gone to shit, I don't know how helpful and that I would be to other people. It would be a dog eat dog kinda thing, and I would not want to lose out by being to nice, or having to much compassion. I think in this situation you would have to be ruthless to survive.
That said, I would not mount a machine gun to a jeep and pillage from town to town. You would most certainly be killed with in days. Thats a lot of attention to bring on yourself. I would be more of an isolationist, but I would be prepared for when the shit came to me.
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aNeway2sayHooray said: If a person could adapt to desert living,that would be ideal.It wouldnt be the most compfortable place to live,but if secluding yourself from other human beings in the idea,then the desert is choice.It would just take a different set of survival skills to live in the desert.
As you said before,I plan to mobile anyway.Staying in one place is out of the question.Because you are probably not going to be alone,you will gain followers and travel partners,you will setup small community and small community/villages will attract scragalers and scavengers.
A means of travel is another great step to be taken.It would have to be by foot,bicycle or horse and buggie,which is slow moving.
Unless we all still grasop onto gasoline as a lifeline,which most people probably will.They will fight and kill eachother for gasoline for the first 10-20 years after such and event takes place.
Im not 100% sure but I think gasoline becomes unusable after a year or so. So if production stopped, the gas wars would last to long after. Also, I think it would run out a lot sooner than 10-20 years.
You know what crazy, ifwe didnt waste so much, this event would not even be considered by us. But think of how bad we waste, food packaging, oil for ppl to cruise around, sports teams to travel daily.....its ridiculous!
-------------------- Capliberty: "I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "
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Re: Planet Earth: The endgame.. [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5756875 - 06/16/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you have your health, you should also be considered very lucky. I have asthma and rely on a puffer. In a situation like this I would no doubt be with out one for some time. That alone is a heated battle for survival...
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Re: Planet Earth: The endgame.. [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5756894 - 06/16/06 11:01 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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make enemies
make friends
which one gives a better chance of survival? do you want to live in a world where you worry (paranoia) about enemies? there really won't be enemies unless you make them. you'll have a heartattack! teamwork WHOHAHA sHARKBAIT, WHO HA-HA (!) those with food will hide, and those without food will die within a few weeks. roads will not be used by those with food... what will be the point? anyway, we could still avoid this it's not too late. and the kicker is the life would STILL be good. what an ugly/beautiful paradox our life has become
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Re: Planet Earth: The endgame.. [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5756900 - 06/16/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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eat cannabis, it helps asthma, is easy to grow. btw everyone knows how useful and easy to grow cannabis/hemp is right? medicine, rope, clothing, food, oil, fertilizes soil, grows in every condition
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Re: Planet Earth: The endgame.. [Re: sleepy]
#5757022 - 06/16/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have seen a lot of ppl mentioning going to native tribes, and learning from them.
Do you honestly think they will be very accepting of you(assuming your white) after your people have just created the current conditions of chaos?
I think in a situation like this, tribes would be broken down into racial factions. I know its not pleasent or politically correct to think this, I just think its reality. Its human nature.
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Re: Planet Earth: The endgame.. [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5757075 - 06/16/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i've been to the hopi reservation. they welcomed me mostly (and i admit i was being weird too). they have a prophecy that says "if we are lucky" a group will come and ask to use our land and follow the rules we set down for them. so if you want some radioactive desert realestate and want to follow hopi rules, you can go live there. they taught tons of people their prophecies and have been trying to help. they dont blame us for our parent's mistakes. thinking of someone as the color of their skin causes division.
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Re: Planet Earth: The endgame.. [Re: sleepy]
#5757089 - 06/16/06 12:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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also you dont have to go to them. its well known how indians lived (easily ) simply doing what they have to. we really already know what to do. the problems will come when everyone in the cities don't have food and can't stay there. the hopi prohecy says
"They say at that time there will be villages in this land so great that when you stand in the villages you will not be able to see out, and in the prophecies these are called "villages of stone", or "prairies of stone". And they said the stone will grow up from the ground and you will not be able to see beyond the village. At the center of each and every one of these villages will be Native people, and they will walk as "hollow" shells upon a "prairie of stone". They said "hollow shells" which means they will have lost any of their traditional understandings; they will be empty within.
They said after the Eagle lands on the moon some of these people will begin to leave these "prairies of stone" and come home and take up some of the old ways and begin to make themselves reborn, because it's a new day. But many will not. And they said there's going to come a time when in the morning the sun is going to rise and this village of stone will be there, and in the evening there would just be steam coming from the ground. They will be as steam. And in the center of many of those villages of stone when they turn to steam, the Native people will turn to steam also because they never woke up and left the village."
even in land around cities, you won't be able to live. because the steam (huge streams of people leaving cities will look like steam because they will spread all over as the roads become packed) will cover everywhere and people will steal your resources. so you have to get far enough away. this prophecy says clearly, i think, you have to get out of cities to survive. i'm leaving as soon as i can
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Re: Planet Earth: The endgame.. [Re: sleepy]
#5757098 - 06/16/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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goodbye to shroomery after that!
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Re: Planet Earth: The endgame.. [Re: sleepy]
#5757101 - 06/16/06 12:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I know it causes division, but that's my point. I think in a situation like this, people would band together based on their beliefs/culture/race/age etc etc.
You would be blind not to accept this just because its so taboo in our culture to think anything is based on beliefs/culture/race/age etc. Political correctness has run wild in the past few decades IE. In elementary schools they changed the lyrics of a popular nursary rhyme from "bah bah black sheep" to "bah bah rainbow sheep" because they thought it could be seen as offensive. The thought police our out in full force, just the first step imo.
-------------------- Capliberty: "I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "
Edited by alpharedecho (06/16/06 12:11 PM)
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Re: Planet Earth: The endgame.. [Re: sleepy]
#5757114 - 06/16/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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sleepy said: communication with who?
Communication with each other. We won't be alone in this even if we want to be. Tribes will form to protect resources. If you are close to a city when it all goes down, being a part of an already formed militia will be a good way to survive the trip out.
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sleepy said: those with food will hide, and those without food will die within a few weeks.
Don't want to sound dickish but thinking that can get you killed. Those without food will kill those with food.
Farming is a good way to build a food supply. However, it also forces you to be stationary. Easy target for hungry nomadic tribes, militias, etc.
Maybe the trick is to farm on the go?
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Re: Planet Earth: The endgame.. [Re: shymanta]
#5757124 - 06/16/06 12:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Would you have a child or not? It would be a burden for say, 7 years, but after that it would help out in your unit, as well as carry on your bloodline into the future. Pro's/Con's?
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Re: Planet Earth: The endgame.. [Re: sleepy]
#5757140 - 06/16/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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well i mean, i wouldn't tell people i have food. i'd dig a hole and hide. we will only survive with cooperation. there will really be no point in stealing after the first year. im not saying to steal that first year, but afterwards, there will be PLENTY of land (there is already 10 times as much as we need to live) and less people. killing people and taking their food would take more effort than just farming yourself. and its happier this way. nobody can be really happy and be bad
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