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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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InvisibleCorporal Kielbasa

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Re: How is God related? [Re: justAkid]
    #5685971 - 05/29/06 10:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Eyeless in the morning sun you were
Pale and mild
A modern girl
Taken with thought still prone to care
Making tea
In your underwear
You went out in the yard to find
Something to eat
And clear your mind
And something bad inside me went away

Quaking leaves and broken light
Shifting skin
The coming night
The bearers of all good things arrive
Climb inside us
Twist and cry
A kiss on your molten eyes
Myriad lives
Like blades of grass
Yet to be realized
Bow as they pass

They are cold
Still
Waiting in the
Ether to
Form
Feel
Kill
Propogate
Only to die

They are cold
Still
Waiting in the
Ether to
Form
Feel
Kill
Propogate
Only to die
Dissolve magically
Absurdly
They'll end
Leave
Dissipate
Coldly and
Strangely
Return


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OfflineBlueCoyote
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Re: How is God related? [Re: Basilides]
    #5686312 - 05/29/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Perhaps we can see it/him/her all the time, but our mind is not evolved enough (through the 'shock of lasting linear left brain male dominance history) to directly perceive, like our ancestors did and do.
Sometimes, less 'linear' knowledge can be 'more' understanding of the parallel/associated processes in reality.


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'


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Re: How is God related? [Re: Basilides]
    #5686421 - 05/29/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Basilides said:
Existence is "real" but it's not the only "real". It is only sensory reality - there are realities beyond sense data.




There is but one reality. A statement that "existence is real, but its not the only real" doesn't make sense from my perspective, as I see existence as being all that exists, in whatever form or to whatever degree it exists.

I'm intrigued as to what definiton of the word "existence" you are using. I was to understand that its a question of existence or nonexistence.... so, then, how could there exist more than what exists? :wtf:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


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InvisibleCorporal Kielbasa

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Re: How is God related? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5686446 - 05/29/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i would answer that with this Mu or Wu


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Re: How is God related? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5686617 - 05/29/06 02:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

We may perceive parallel/associated processes as them, but we may not see the cause of their connections. Even science uses 'models' for explanation, not the real stuff !
With our linear view of cause and effect and our preconditioned expectations, we are about to lose much of the 'total' view of reality, which recognizes some connections to events, before we know the cause of it.
This ability is essential for our spirit to evolve and to research into the material (and spiritual) realm.

We have to find the questions to the answers first.


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'


Edited by BlueCoyote (05/29/06 02:07 PM)


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Re: How is God related? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5687022 - 05/29/06 03:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

fireworks_god said:
Quote:

Deviate said:
God is used in a similar sense as the word Tao.  both can take one either closer to or further away from the state of direct knowledge of reality. to say they only take one away is ignorant. it seems  you dont understand the way it is being used because it is not redundunt.




"God" is utilized in a great multitude of senses, which further underscores its ineffectiveness in representing any actual concept.

I propose to you that the term "reality" is the summation of this entire, strange phenomenon... existance, the universe, everything. Reality represents everything. Using a term such as "god" is not going to go any further, and it will not represent anything that reality is incapable of doing.

Operating with a conception of God will further seperate oneself from a state of directly perceiving and thus realizing reality for what it is, the manner in which it presents itself to you as the result of your interaction with it, the result of your interaction as it.

"That tree, that is God! You are God! I am God! We are all God! God is reality!" :rolleyes:

Um, no. That tree is that tree, and you are you. I am I. We are all we, and reality is reality. Reality simply is. To say that reality is reality, but that God is reality is redundant. No aspect of "god" is distinct from that of reality, thus, using the term is redundant.

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how does that refute the statement it was in reply to? you're ignoring context. picture a television set, of course the pictures on the screen are real. such is self-evident. however, there are some people who may not recognize that what they are looking at is a combination of pixels, hence the statement that its unreal. 




Existance exists in the form in which it exists. Reality and that which has form isn't "unreal" simply because you formed misperceptions of its nature.

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:





you're still missing the point. context. to someone who sees a rope in the twilight and believes it to be a snake, the snake is unreal and yet there is still a real peice of rope. you haven't even defined what you mean by real. is sherlock holmes real? he is a real famous fictional character but an unreal person. your statements about god are also wrong, while there is certainly overlap between the terms god and reality, they are not interchangeable and can refer to different aspects/angles of understanding when used in the right context.


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Re: How is God related? [Re: Deviate]
    #5687031 - 05/29/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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That's because you're trying to understand the infinite with finite understanding. Things fall into place when you begin to realize that the questions you are asking may not be the most important ones.






what questions am i asking?


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Re: How is God related? [Re: Deviate]
    #5687455 - 05/29/06 05:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry thought you were the origional poster.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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Re: How is God related? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5687721 - 05/29/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The thing about sense data-based conclusions of "reality" is that it's short-sighted and myopic. What's beyond the borders of "existence"?


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"Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."


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