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justAkid
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How is God related?
#5678844 - 05/26/06 11:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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When I think about this world and my place here and I try to see how a God might be tied in things, I get confused.
Why do we think our consciousness could relate to God?
Surely we are wonderful, creative, loving creatures, but why should we think ourselves as deserving of eternity?
Why should God even take part in this?
I think my questions make me a skeptic, possibly a diest or a maybe an agnostic.
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Re: How is God related? [Re: justAkid]
#5678860 - 05/26/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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When I think about this world and my place here and I try to see how a God might be tied in things, I get confused.
Confusion is often a side effect of excessive thinking 
Surely we are wonderful, creative, loving creatures, but why should we think ourselves as deserving of eternity?
There's really nothing else aside from eternity. How could there be?
Why should God even take part in this?
Not even God knows.
I think my questions make me a skeptic, possibly a diest or a maybe an agnostic.
Labels are bad, mmmkay?
Really you can call yourself whatever you want, but you are what you are, and what you are is far greater than a mere 'diest' or 'agnostic'.
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Re: How is God related? [Re: justAkid]
#5679552 - 05/27/06 03:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Drop the idea of God and things just start to fall into place.
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Re: How is God related? [Re: Icelander]
#5679645 - 05/27/06 05:38 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Exactly, open your senses and your mind, directly perceive reality for what it is, and all will be well and all will be understood. 
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Re: How is God related? [Re: justAkid]
#5679821 - 05/27/06 08:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Consciousness is essentially a spark of "god stuff", bits of eternity concealed within temporal form. You ask how can consciousness can relate to God. How does a tide puddle relate to the Ocean?
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Re: How is God related? [Re: Basilides]
#5679862 - 05/27/06 08:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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that a pattern matches suggests significance, even if there is no other connection than simmilarity. fractal geometry shows a kind of natural resonance between small pattern and larger composite pattern. this kind of sympathetic formation may help more than that I can't see much to say about a larger unit of consciousness.
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God is the creator. like, hes not taking part, hes taking ALL. Vedanta says "God alone is real" all else is unreal.
"When I think about this world and my place here and I try to see how a God might be tied in things, I get confused."
thats cuz you are in the world and thinking of God. the "things" are unreal. God is. things are not. (things don't exist) the things you see are really God (no-thing)! and seeing is God, and the seer and seen is God and the seeing seer and seen is all One (GOD)!
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Re: How is God related? [Re: sleepy]
#5680880 - 05/27/06 04:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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sleepy said: God is the creator. like, hes not taking part, hes taking ALL. Vedanta says "God alone is real" all else is unreal.
Then the term "god" and the concept thereof is completely unnecessary. Sure, define god as reality. Doing so is redundant, as reality is reality. Thus, employing an empty concept to represent something that is already well defined is only going to further seperate oneself from their direct knowing of reality.
Thus, thinking about God seperates oneself from God. 
Honestly, we have no manner in which we can possibly know anything concerning the creation of the universe. We can theorize, but there will always be unknown. A statement such as "god is the creator" is useless.
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the "things" are unreal. God is. things are not. (things don't exist)
Incorrect. Existance exists. The nature of existance is such that it exists. If you accept the notion of existance (it is self evident if you are aware), then you thereby agree that form exists, that form is form, regardless if it only exists in relationship to the formless.
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the things you see are really God (no-thing)! and seeing is God, and the seer and seen is God and the seeing seer and seen is all One (GOD)!
Exactly, all aspects of reality are reality. Its an interesting realization (its simple, but hard to truly come by ), but it is simply reality, not "god".
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First of all it must be understood that there is only one thing in the universe: Consciousness.
What is consciousness? Consciousness is built of a primordial trinity of force: The Point, The Sphere, and the Spiral Force.
This trinity of force begins as a sub-atomic level(spirit), unites to lose itself into a new thing, atoms, the periodic table of elements(matter), next atoms unite to lose themselves in a third thing, molecules. Next these unite to lose themselves into a third thing, a new level, DNA (life), and next outward we have the cosmos, stellar bodies.
so, in short, consciousness is built of a trinity of force. it extends through the 5 levels i just mentioned (from human perspective at least) and it's as simple as that
now it should be understood that this progression isn't linear the 5 levels come into play simultaneously, and they all uphold each other. basically your consciousness is a cell of God Consciousness, and you uphold the creation of the universe with your thoughts. all there really is is thoughts.
what is God? God is just Love, union, the force that combines this and that. like light and dark.
Time=Male Space=Female Consciousness=Child (genderlessness)
when your own consciousness becomes honest with what it really is, that is when Union with God happens.
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Re: How is God related? [Re: Telepylus]
#5681044 - 05/27/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Interesting, but I'm not sure how much of that theory is validated by simple, direct perception of reality. 
A mind that is conscious is likely to be prone to identifying consciousness as reality, or "as all there is", simply due to the fact that the mind would not be provided with an experience of reality without consciousness.
No consciousness, no experience of reality, thus, no consciousness, no reality? 
Not much that can be observed that will provide for an understanding into the nature of the matter, but consensus amongst individuals who maintain a level of consciousness is that reality exists independantly of consciousness, and that consciousness has been produced as a result of reality.
Perhaps it is physical reality that is the formless, and consciousness that is the form. Makes sense to me. 
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Re: How is God related? [Re: justAkid]
#5681716 - 05/27/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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God = The sum of all sums? :p
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Re: How is God related? [Re: Gomp]
#5681942 - 05/27/06 10:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Incorrect. Existance exists. The nature of existance is such that it exists"""
yeah but existence is not a thing existance is SAT CHIT is AWARENESS ANANDA IS BLISS
the state of realization is SAT CHIT ANANDA Existance Knowledge(not knowledge of any "thing") Bliss
form is able to be comprehended thus it is not GOD purely "then you thereby agree that form exists"
it exists as long as the mind
you are right thoughts are separate this is all unreal, everything what i just said is unreal this is real this is real no THAT is real
if you know, then u dont the reason is YOU you know------- minus the "you" equals GOD
we all know this anyway
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Re: How is God related? [Re: sleepy]
#5681947 - 05/27/06 10:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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in case u dont know this is the BEST BOOK EVER almost, it rocks my world anyway
http://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/chap1.html
at least check the chapter titles, they will make you read furthier radness
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Re: How is God related? [Re: Icelander]
#5685095 - 05/28/06 11:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Drop the idea of God and things just start to fall into place.
untrue, whether i think with or without such a concept things didn't fall into place any easier.
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Then the term "god" and the concept thereof is completely unnecessary. Sure, define god as reality. Doing so is redundant, as reality is reality. Thus, employing an empty concept to represent something that is already well defined is only going to further seperate oneself from their direct knowing of reality. Thus, thinking about God seperates oneself from God.
God is used in a similar sense as the word Tao. both can take one either closer to or further away from the state of direct knowledge of reality. to say they only take one away is ignorant. it seems you dont understand the way it is being used because it is not redundunt.
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Incorrect. Existance exists. The nature of existance is such that it exists. If you accept the notion of existance (it is self evident if you are aware), then you thereby agree that form exists, that form is form, regardless if it only exists in relationship to the formless.
how does that refute the statement it was in reply to? you're ignoring context. picture a television set, of course the pictures on the screen are real. such is self-evident. however, there are some people who may not recognize that what they are looking at is a combination of pixels, hence the statement that its unreal.
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Re: How is God related? [Re: Deviate]
#5685791 - 05/29/06 08:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Deviate said: God is used in a similar sense as the word Tao. both can take one either closer to or further away from the state of direct knowledge of reality. to say they only take one away is ignorant. it seems you dont understand the way it is being used because it is not redundunt.
"God" is utilized in a great multitude of senses, which further underscores its ineffectiveness in representing any actual concept.
I propose to you that the term "reality" is the summation of this entire, strange phenomenon... existance, the universe, everything. Reality represents everything. Using a term such as "god" is not going to go any further, and it will not represent anything that reality is incapable of doing.
Operating with a conception of God will further seperate oneself from a state of directly perceiving and thus realizing reality for what it is, the manner in which it presents itself to you as the result of your interaction with it, the result of your interaction as it.
"That tree, that is God! You are God! I am God! We are all God! God is reality!" 
Um, no. That tree is that tree, and you are you. I am I. We are all we, and reality is reality. Reality simply is. To say that reality is reality, but that God is reality is redundant. No aspect of "god" is distinct from that of reality, thus, using the term is redundant.
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how does that refute the statement it was in reply to? you're ignoring context. picture a television set, of course the pictures on the screen are real. such is self-evident. however, there are some people who may not recognize that what they are looking at is a combination of pixels, hence the statement that its unreal.
Existance exists in the form in which it exists. Reality and that which has form isn't "unreal" simply because you formed misperceptions of its nature.
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Existence is "real" but it's not the only "real". It is only sensory reality - there are realities beyond sense data.
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Re: How is God related? [Re: justAkid]
#5685812 - 05/29/06 08:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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When you understand that you are a child of God and have the potential to become like God, then you know your relation to God and why God has an interest in us.
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Re: How is God related? [Re: Deviate]
#5685882 - 05/29/06 09:00 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Deviate said:
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Icelander said: Drop the idea of God and things just start to fall into place.
untrue, whether i think with or without such a concept things didn't fall into place any easier.
That's because you're trying to understand the infinite with finite understanding. Things fall into place when you begin to realize that the questions you are asking may not be the most important ones.
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Not from self, not from other, Not from both, nor without cause: Things do not arise At any place, at any time.
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