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 myrhodez
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 Salvia d. used in substrate... 
#567796 - 03/02/02 01:58 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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OK, I know this may sound really far out as far as tradition goes but,...
What if one was to use salvia d. x 10 in the substrate some how for the mushrooms? Now, given that saliva d. has crazy psychedelic properties and mushrooms alike, would the salvia d. make the mushrooms potency shoot through the roof if this was to be tried? I mean when the mushroom is getting its nutrients and ?food? from the substrate it?ll also be getting whatever it is in salvia d. that causes psychedelic experiences.
So, with the potency of salvia d. and mushrooms- what would happen?? Something to think about? let me know what you all think, thank you:
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 BeppoMarx
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 Re: Salvia d. used in substrate... [Re: myrhodez]
#567814 - 03/02/02 02:30 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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it would leave the salvia alone; maybe take some nutrients but not the 'trippy' chemicals.
just smoke it after you eat the shrooms 
i want some salvia. where can you get it cheap? if its not too difficult id prolly like to grow some...
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SumGuy
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Re: Salvia d. used in substrate... [Re: myrhodez]
#567834 - 03/02/02 02:51 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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ok salvia 10x is way too expensive to waste first of all ... i doubt it would do anything at all but if you're going to experiment, which is cool, dont use 10X just use plain leaf
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Nomez
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Re: Salvia d. used in substrate... [Re: SumGuy]
#567860 - 03/02/02 03:20 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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i remember reading somewhere that its damn near impossible to grow salvia d. im pretty sure that most of the plants out there are mostly clones of the 2 plants discovered a while back... of course maybe im totally fucked here... but maybe not
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Re: Salvia d. used in substrate... [Re: Nomez]
#567876 - 03/02/02 03:46 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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no ive seen pics here at the shroomery with confirmed salvia in the background.
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downforpot
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Re: Salvia d. used in substrate... [Re: BeppoMarx]
#567891 - 03/02/02 04:14 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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i had a salvia plant, it died, it was wacked by some fungus, some black speckles, fuckin sucked, 15 dollars down the toilet.
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atari
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 Re: Salvia d. used in substrate... [Re: myrhodez]
#568039 - 03/02/02 08:57 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Even if the extract was somehow absorbed into the shroom during growth it wouldn't do anything for you. The active component in Salvia D. is destroyed by stomach acid, it can only be smoked or taken sublingually.
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MeneerCactus
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Re: Salvia d. used in substrate... [Re: Nomez]
#568315 - 03/03/02 04:06 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think Salvia D is as easy to grow as a ficus benjamin. It is really not that difficult, really. If you can do shrooms Salvia will be easy ( I think)
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Under_net
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Re: Salvia d. used in substrate... [Re: MeneerCactus]
#568501 - 03/03/02 10:28 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is this a plant?
If so what are the difficult environmental variables to reproduce. Or is there something else about it that makes it tough to grow?
what does 10x mean by the way? Is it a part of the salvia D.? Or a special breed?
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mrhappy
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Re: Salvia d. used in substrate... [Re: Under_net]
#569538 - 03/04/02 11:16 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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As far as difficulty of growth goes--I don't know a lot, but one mail-order company that advertizes live plants seems to indicate it's not too tough. Apparently getting it to set seed is next to impossible, and if it happens, the seeds are (very) unlikely to germinate, that's why all the commercially available plants are apparently descended (via cloning) from one or two mother plants. 10X is an extract product , where the leaf has been induced to absorb the extracted salvinorin A from 10 times that amount of leaf.
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Seuss
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Re: Salvia d. used in substrate... [Re: Under_net]
#569664 - 03/04/02 01:53 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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The only thing that I noticed that makes it tough to grow is starting out. The plants seldom if ever produces seeds so you are forced to find a cutting to begin with.
> what does 10x mean by the way?
Salvia by itself isn't strong enough to smoke (you would have to load several bowls and smoke them really fast). It works well as a chew. If you want to smoke it, you need to extract the goods and apply them back to the dry plant matter. The 5x or 10x mean that the dry plant matter has been doped with extract to be 5 times or 10 times more potent than undoped plant material.
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vodgod
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Re: Salvia d. used in substrate... [Re: Seuss]
#570163 - 03/05/02 01:14 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Regular Salvia leaf definitely IS strong enough to smoke..One of the most intense psychedelic experiences of my life was off regular Salvia leaf from a plant that I was growing...But its definitely a picky drug..Even with an extract its pretty easy to fail to get anything..And the experience is probably not what you're expecting..the best description I have is absolute confusion...
As far as growing the plant goes, I think the main thing you need is humidity.The plant likes it if you mist it every now and then..I was doing fine with mine, but then the hot dry summer came and it started to die...when I went back to college I left it with my sister..The main plant died but a new shoot came up that is definitely Salvia...
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Nomez
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Re: Salvia d. used in substrate... [Re: vodgod]
#570694 - 03/05/02 04:32 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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what i meant when i said it was impossible to grow was that it is difficult to start from a seed... once again i dont know if im right (dont even remember where i read it)
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Nomez
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Re: Salvia d. used in substrate... [Re: Nomez]
#570698 - 03/05/02 04:41 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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i found something to relay my point
off of http://www.sagewisdom.org/faq.html
"Although S. divinorum can flower under natural lighting conditions (it has white flowers with purplish calyces), it only rarely sets seed, even when carefully hand-pollinated, and when it does the seeds are not very fertile. Experience has shown that plants grown from seed are often lacking in vigor. The plant is typically propagated by cuttings."
"How can I propagate Salvia?
A. Salvia divinorum is propagated by cuttings, not by seed (except very rarely). Cuttings must be rooted either in water or directly in soil."
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koreanindica
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Re: Salvia d. used in substrate... [Re: Nomez]
#5536616 - 04/20/06 06:31 AM (18 years, 1 day ago) |
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10x is the potency
10x is also the "unrefined" extract added to other leaves making it 10x stronger but also containing carcinogens and the like
i suggest using the emerald extract sold by www.sagewisdom.com
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Serani
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Re: Salvia d. used in substrate... [Re: koreanindica]
#5536658 - 04/20/06 06:59 AM (18 years, 1 day ago) |
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Yea, your salvia is most likely bogus. I've done salvia extract and smoked the leaves as wholes for a long time; 10x will hit you, 5x will even feel quite effective it is by far one of the strangest and fastest acting smokes.
I smoked a single fat bowl of 30x about 3 weeks ago and I about wigged out.
Edited by Serani (04/20/06 07:00 AM)
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