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Is smoking wrong
#5647877 - 05/18/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Can anyone cite me information advocating the rights of some one who smokes weed, in the old testament only.
Now I before people tell me "dont let some book lead your life", save it because I don't want to hear it <3 I think for myself, but I do have some skepticism of it being acceptable in the eyes of god to smoke weed other than medical reasons. So, is it wrong to smoke? After all, my body is my temple, and smoking hurts my lungs.
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Moses used anointing oil which was hemp oil. He rubbed it on his body. THC is fat soluble and the skin is a giant organ. Moses also dripped this oil on an altar and lit it. Sounds like old testament smoking?!? Chris Benett does a great job at showing the evidence of cannabis in the bible.
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yes, of course smoking is wrong in a system of morality based on the principles outlined in the old testament. directly hurting yourself for the purposes of intoxication is out of harmony and part of the very definition of sin as i understand it. in addition it shows a total lack of respect for the body temple. remember according to the old testament getting drunk is also a sin. knowing this, it makes no sense to assume that it's ok to become intoxicated with other drugs. so short answer, yes, smoking is without a doubt a sin going by the old testament.
in addition, for what its worth and my opinions may not be worth anything to you , but i can tell you that from my own experiences of god, smoking is wrong in his eyes (and i used to be a huge stoner who believed marijuana was a gift from god.)
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Re: Is smoking wrong [Re: Deviate]
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I think smoking crack is wrong, fuck the old testament, so much other stuff is absurd.(why not look it up in the torah or the quaran?) Not based on morals, but on health, acutally its just fucked up.
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I don't think someone from PotTV would be a reliable Biblical historian.
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Re: Is smoking wrong [Re: Basilides]
#5649395 - 05/19/06 08:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why don´t you use space cookies? So you don´t have to smoke
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magiciangob said: Moses used anointing oil which was hemp oil. He rubbed it on his body. THC is fat soluble and the skin is a giant organ. Moses also dripped this oil on an altar and lit it. Sounds like old testament smoking?!? Chris Benett does a great job at showing the evidence of cannabis in the bible.
can you cite your reference for me?
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Just a side note...does the Bible cite anything about eating junk food or the internet?
I mean, does everything you do need to be cleared by a book or do you make choices for yourself?
I'm not bashing you, just posing a question or two for you to think about and maybe draw some conclusions from, then apply those conclusions to some of your questions. Hope this helps.
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Re: Is smoking wrong [Re: TODAY]
#5650794 - 05/19/06 04:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I bleieve it does, section uhhhhh S.420:069.....
"Thou shall not engage in any junk food, whether it be even Cooler Ranch Doriotos. Thou shall not endulge in the web of information, since thou hath known that some pornographic sites offer free memberships."-
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LOL, good one.
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Re: Is smoking wrong [Re: TODAY]
#5650860 - 05/19/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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hahah thanks
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im with him, you are your only judge.
That is like asking is sex wrong in the eyes of god? We are designed to reproduce, but raping thousands of 13 year old girls is probably not a good thing.
As far as per the bible, you said it yourself...treat your body as a temple. You are definately hurting your lungs, but there are definately other ways to indulge, vaporisers, eating, etc.
Your body also heals itself, it is how we are made...just because your hands may hurt after a hard day of work, doesnt mean that God wanted us all to sit on the couch all day making sure we didnt hurt our bodies.
As far as the mental part of it goes, I am a firm believer in moderation. People have been using drugs for as long as they have existed, whether it be mind altering, or medicinal, or both...its happend.
You need to take into consideration what you feel is right/wrong. If you are smoking pot daily, and it is having an ill effect on your mind, and life...I would consider it a poison. But if you are on track, and are using it as a tool for mental growth, or maybe relaxation from a hard days work...I see it more as a medicine helping keep you healthy.
I think the majority of church goers who believe that drugs are bad, think that because for the most part...to the average users, they really can be. If you do not manage yourself wisely, they can definately lead down a bad path...and if you dont believe me then you are very ignorant.
..however, pot is no more a drug than tylenol.
Read the book as fiction, not fact, or you are going to get very confused. You can have faith, and think for yourself aswell. Religion is not black and white, and doesnt have to be something that happend thousands of years ago that you read about on sundays. Religion happens every day, make the most of it and follow your instincts...because if they are not right, you dont want to be right.
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Re: Is smoking wrong [Re: tak]
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Yeah, same way in Catholicism, "God" supposefully thinks its just that priests cannot endulge in sex with women or be married, that goes against "God"'s creation of our body to reproduce, wot teh fuck?
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Re: Is smoking wrong [Re: tak]
#5653247 - 05/20/06 12:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dude i love your athf picture, you draw that?
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I don't think cannibis was well known to moses and his people, he may have used hemp oil, but it depends on who translates it, and if the same hemp back than is the same hemp we're talking about today, maybe an intirely different plant.
wine or alcohol was big back than though, look up what the the bible has to say about that, though cannibis and wine are very differnt, it's the closest the bible comes to the subject of psychoactive substance's.
Genesis: 9
20 Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard. 21 When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. 22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father's nakedness and told his two brothers outside. 23 But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father's nakedness. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father's nakedness.
24 When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him, 25 he said, "Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers."
26 He also said, "Blessed be the LORD, the God of Shem! May Canaan be the slave of Shem.
27 May God extend the territory of Japheth; may Japheth live in the tents of Shem, and may Canaan be his slave."
Notice that wine was'nt the villan in this story, God did'nt blame the wine, nor did noah blame the wine.
Leviticus: 10:
8 Then the LORD said to Aaron, 9 "You and your sons are not to drink wine or other fermented drink whenever you go into the Tent of Meeting, or you will die. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. 10 You must distinguish between the holy and the common, between the unclean and the clean, 11 and you must teach the Israelites all the decrees the LORD has given them through Moses."
God did'nt say you are to never get drunk, but rather, to distinguish between the holy and the common (getting drunk) in the tent of meeting.
Psalm 104:
1 Praise the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, you are very great; you are clothed with splendor and majesty.
2 He wraps himself in light as with a garment; he stretches out the heavens like a tent
3 and lays the beams of his upper chambers on their waters. He makes the clouds his chariot and rides on the wings of the wind.
4 He makes winds his messengers, flames of fire his servants.
5 He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.
6 You covered it with the deep as with a garment; the waters stood above the mountains.
7 But at your rebuke the waters fled, at the sound of your thunder they took to flight;
8 they flowed over the mountains, they went down into the valleys, to the place you assigned for them.
9 You set a boundary they cannot cross; never again will they cover the earth.
10 He makes springs pour water into the ravines; it flows between the mountains.
11 They give water to all the beasts of the field; the wild donkeys quench their thirst.
12 The birds of the air nest by the waters; they sing among the branches.
13 He waters the mountains from his upper chambers; the earth is satisfied by the fruit of his work.
14 He makes grass grow for the cattle, and plants for man to cultivate— bringing forth food from the earth:
15 wine that gladdens the heart of man, oil to make his face shine, and bread that sustains his heart.
16 The trees of the LORD are well watered, the cedars of Lebanon that he planted.
17 There the birds make their nests; the stork has its home in the pine trees.
18 The high mountains belong to the wild goats; the crags are a refuge for the coneys.
19 The moon marks off the seasons, and the sun knows when to go down.
20 You bring darkness, it becomes night, and all the beasts of the forest prowl.
21 The lions roar for their prey and seek their food from God.
22 The sun rises, and they steal away; they return and lie down in their dens.
23 Then man goes out to his work, to his labor until evening.
24 How many are your works, O LORD! In wisdom you made them all; the earth is full of your creatures.
25 There is the sea, vast and spacious, teeming with creatures beyond number— living things both large and small.
26 There the ships go to and fro, and the leviathan, which you formed to frolic there.
27 These all look to you to give them their food at the proper time.
28 When you give it to them, they gather it up; when you open your hand, they are satisfied with good things.
29 When you hide your face, they are terrified; when you take away their breath, they die and return to the dust.
30 When you send your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the earth.
31 May the glory of the LORD endure forever; may the LORD rejoice in his works-
32 he who looks at the earth, and it trembles, who touches the mountains, and they smoke.
33 I will sing to the LORD all my life; I will sing praise to my God as long as I live.
34 May my meditation be pleasing to him, as I rejoice in the LORD.
35 But may sinners vanish from the earth and the wicked be no more. Praise the LORD, O my soul. Praise the LORD.
And there we have it in the psalms, God has given us wine that gladdens the hearts of man (verse 15).
Proverbs 20: 1 Wine is a mocker and beer a brawler; whoever is led astray by them is not wise.
I can't say I disagree with that proverb, if were talking cannibis though, that would be quite a stretch.
Proverbs 21:
17 He who loves pleasure will become poor; whoever loves wine and oil will never be rich.
Proverbs 23: 20 Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat,
21 for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags.
Proverbs 23:
29 Who has woe? Who has sorrow? Who has strife? Who has complaints? Who has needless bruises? Who has bloodshot eyes?
30 Those who linger over wine, who go to sample bowls of mixed wine.
31 Do not gaze at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it goes down smoothly!
32 In the end it bites like a snake and poisons like a viper.
33 Your eyes will see strange sights and your mind imagine confusing things.
34 You will be like one sleeping on the high seas, lying on top of the rigging.
35 "They hit me," you will say, "but I'm not hurt! They beat me, but I don't feel it! When will I wake up so I can find another drink?"
Proverbs 31:
4 "It is not for kings, O Lemuel— not for kings to drink wine, not for rulers to crave beer,
5 lest they drink and forget what the law decrees, and deprive all the oppressed of their rights.
6 Give beer to those who are perishing, wine to those who are in anguish;
7 let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more.
when ever it says something bad about it, there's a reason, it's more than just "it's wrong, don't do it.", but rather what results from it, responsibity and wise decision making are key, it's safe to say getting so fucked up to lose control of yourself, thoughts, actions, emotions and so on would be wrong. imo anyways.
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Re: Is smoking wrong [Re: JCoke]
#5667140 - 05/23/06 11:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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and there are many othere verses and reference's to wine in the bible, I could go on and on.
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DinahTheCat said: I bleieve it does, section uhhhhh S.420:069.....
"Thou shall not engage in any junk food, whether it be even Cooler Ranch Doriotos. Thou shall not endulge in the web of information, since thou hath known that some pornographic sites offer free memberships."-
Gody God (aka the only god, of course christian)
you made me laugh!
Anyway the Bible says that God created all plants for our use.
Now your question is smoking. Smoking will destroy your temple and make it harder to reach God. In the worst it will kill your temple and make it impossible.
Cannabis itself? Well.... it says he created all plants for our use. All seed bearing plants... or something akin to it.
Be very mindful. Cannabis opened me to the clear light, but I was not fit to stay in it given my inability to retain focus.... eventually it simply destroyed my energy flow through damaging my respiratory system.
According to tai chi forums it takes kidney qi and shoots it out the crown.... not very good for you.
Cannabis is a tool though, and if the OT is correct then I think it may help us reconnect to God and disconnect from society. Good things. You can undergo ego loss I'm sure if you smoke enough of a potent strain and use it a psychedelic drug.
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root-ninja-tak said: Your body also heals itself, it is how we are made...just because your hands may hurt after a hard day of work, doesnt mean that God wanted us all to sit on the couch all day making sure we didnt hurt our bodies.
This is very dangerous thinking. Hard work on the hands will not KILL YOU. Contemplate choking to death. Sit here until you can feel it. Then contemplate that that pain is drawn out overy many years of slow strangulation by cancer.
The lungs can heal, sure..... they can clean themselves, sure.... but the damage you do to them is not beneficial for strength building.... it will not increase your lung capacity (use as a temporary expectorant aside [and that use wears out and negates itself rather quickly]) and .... it takes a long-assed time to repair.
My doctor said I'd need a year of not smoking to get back to normal health. I had only smoked one year and he didn't know that.
But that's a long time.
This is very very dangerous thinking. Smoking is death. It is not good for you. It is only acceptable in extreme moderation and best at total abstinence (why can you not simply buy a good vaporizer or cook with weed instead [and i will state with good authority from experience that though vaporizers are healthier, they are still damaging, but perhaps a quality unit would be best rather than the crude method I used]) ..... it should be done for shamanic purposes.
Not recreation.
Think of it like beer. You could inject beer into your veins, but why do that when you can drink it?
You can eat cannabis, why put fire and dirt and smoke and tar into your lungs, where it will stay and constrict you to death or unhealth over time? And if you want to stay in the middle grounds at least vaporizing severely cuts down the impurities of what you are inhaling.
God absolutely does not want you to commit suicide by a lifetime of pot smoking. This I can say.
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KidgardFromSRQ said: Can anyone cite me information advocating the rights of some one who smokes weed, in the old testament only.
Now I before people tell me "dont let some book lead your life", save it because I don't want to hear it <3 I think for myself, but I do have some skepticism of it being acceptable in the eyes of god to smoke weed other than medical reasons. So, is it wrong to smoke? After all, my body is my temple, and smoking hurts my lungs.
Smoking is wrong!
..it can be Vaporized.
Just 'got to' understand how it works, and afford a "real" vaporizer.. :p
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Re: Is smoking wrong [Re: Gomp]
#5669451 - 05/24/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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why do people keep taking the the body is a temple stance? sexual immorality is the ONLY sin against the body, all other sins are not on the body.
I think people are getting sick (spiritualy sick) worrying about there health, medical science has it's place to be beneficial, but for me it is a distraction to my spiritualty, so I try to be ignorant to what is healthy to eat, I see food, and I eat, God takes care of my today, and my tommorow.
I'm sure smoking is risky to your health, as is taking a walk in the wilderness, where you might get eaten by a bear or lion, so stay in side all day and night with a shotgun loaded and pointing at the door, sleep with one eye open, that might work for you, but I don't feel God convicting my heart to be afraid of food/lions/smoking/death, I can't believe christians teach us to be afraid of those things, no offence to non-christians, but those are things I thought non-believers fear.
besides, you have to smoke alot for it to be a health risk. 
peace 
Edit: I think it's funny, almost as much as it is sad, that people think there getting closer to God by worring about what they eat, or put in there bodies, it's not one goes in a mans mouth that makes him unclean, but rather, what comes out of mans mouth that defiles him, lies, theft, greed, selfishness, insensitivity, intolerance, injustice, immorality, cruelty, murder, rape, hatred etc etc...am I right or am I right?
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KidgardFromSRQ said: Can anyone cite me information advocating the rights of some one who smokes weed, in the old testament only.
Now I before people tell me "dont let some book lead your life", save it because I don't want to hear it <3 I think for myself, but I do have some skepticism of it being acceptable in the eyes of god to smoke weed other than medical reasons. So, is it wrong to smoke? After all, my body is my temple, and smoking hurts my lungs.
"dont let some book lead your life"? united states laws are just a book. so if anybody said this (i havent read the rest of the posts) then ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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