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so how about that iran invasion pool?
    #5677213 - 05/26/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

wheres that sitting at these days?


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Re: so how about that iran invasion pool? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #5683720 - 05/28/06 04:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

This is kinda a tough issue, I think. First off, I don't believe in war and violence. Secondly, I don't see why the US and other "civilized" societies are to be allowed the privelege of Nuclear power and weapons, while we pass judgement on others to decide that they aren't responsible enough to use them.

On the other hand, Iran having access to nuclear weapons scares the shit out of me, especially with their current hardline attitude against Isreal, and those who support Isreal(US).


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Re: so how about that iran invasion pool? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #5684437 - 05/28/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Why not let other nations develop what they want and stop supporting Israel?


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Re: so how about that iran invasion pool? [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5688203 - 05/29/06 08:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

because it's the thought of what some of those irresponsible and downright dangerous nations might do.

and no, i am not excluding the US from that. but i think it's just common sense to see how scary a nuke would be in the hands of Iran or a nation like it.


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Re: so how about that iran invasion pool? [Re: Syle]
    #5688435 - 05/29/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Do I think Iran should be invaded with conventional forces? No.

Do I think Iran should be the recipient of some special forces action and some targeted bombing (maybe even nukes) IF there is irrefutable evidence that they have nukes and they are planning to do something bad? Yes.

There is always a possibility of military action whenever two countries have a tiff like this. I'd say the chance of U.S. military action against Iran is probably 10%. The chances of a conventional military invasion by U.S. forces is probably about 1%.


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Re: so how about that iran invasion pool? [Re: Syle]
    #5691049 - 05/30/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Imagine how scared they are of us. Not that I support Arabs, or that I'm a left-winger, but I think that our best policy to prevent terrorism involves stopping our support of Israel.

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because it's the thought of what some of those irresponsible and downright dangerous nations might do.

and no, i am not excluding the US from that. but i think it's just common sense to see how scary a nuke would be in the hands of Iran or a nation like it.




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Re: so how about that iran invasion pool? [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5691783 - 05/30/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Why not let other nations develop what they want and stop supporting Israel?




Its hard for us common people to realise the incredibly terrible damage nuclear weapons can cause.


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Re: so how about that iran invasion pool? [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5695705 - 05/31/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

why stop supporting Isreal? because the arabs don't like the isrealis and now the arabs should tell us who to be friendly with and should decide on our own foriegn policy?


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Re: so how about that iran invasion pool? [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5696092 - 05/31/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Until there are Mideast governments that are no longer a threat to Israel, it would genocidal negligence to withdraw the entire Western backbone of Israel.


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Re: so how about that iran invasion pool? [Re: Basilides]
    #5700142 - 06/01/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I like that, genocidal negligence. That's good.


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Re: so how about that iran invasion pool? [Re: Basilides]
    #5701900 - 06/01/06 10:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Until there are Mideast governments that are no longer a threat to Israel, it would genocidal negligence to withdraw the entire Western backbone of Israel.




A threat? Israel has defeated their enemies on every battlefield. Israel hasn't really LOST any of their confrontations, ever. The only time they lose territory is when they cede it back to it's "original" owners. Being the backbone of Israel is why most Muslims hate us. If Israel can survive on her own, great, if she can't, well, we should decide if we want to support the apartheid nation of Israel or the countries that are oil rich. I'd probably side with the oil rich nations, their are neough rich jews in America to send their money to Israel so that they can continue to buy warplanes and tanks to bulldoze kids with.


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Re: so how about that iran invasion pool? [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5704898 - 06/02/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Until there are Mideast governments that are no longer a threat to Israel, it would genocidal negligence to withdraw the entire Western backbone of Israel.




A threat? Israel has defeated their enemies on every battlefield. Israel hasn't really LOST any of their confrontations, ever. The only time they lose territory is when they cede it back to it's "original" owners.




The "original" is a nice bit of bullshit.
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Being the backbone of Israel is why most Muslims hate us.




No, most Muslims hate us, and the Jews, because they are backward troglodytes who can't stand the fact that we and the Jews outcompete them in every arena except 'splodeydope olympics. " They keep doing the same shit and they keep losing so it must be that the game is fixed." Hello! McFly! Maybe it's you who is the problem. Just maybe you are responsible for what happens to you. (The "you" referred to is the Arab religious trogs)
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If Israel can survive on her own, great, if she can't,




So, there is no law in your world. Survival of the strongest. Bulletin time for you pal. You would probably be food, like 99% of humans, if not for collective agreements about law.
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well, we should decide if we want to support the apartheid nation of Israel or the countries that are oil rich.




Oh that's priceless. Nope, no apartheid in fascist Arabia or Persia or any other nation that recognizes Sharia law and even uses the term "Dhimmi". Every Israeli citizen has a vote, Jew or not. Traitors and descendants of traitors don't.
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I'd probably side with the oil rich nations, their are neough rich jews in America to send their money to Israel so that they can continue to buy warplanes and tanks to bulldoze kids with.




Jews are not significantly more wealthy than any other non cry-baby group and comprise about 3% of the US population. They are, in fact, in control of almost nothing and are not wealthy as a group. I myself will buy the shitbag's oil. That's it. Until they misbehave in my direction. Then I will kill the shitbags and install new, more polite, shitbags.
Ah yes, the usual St. Pancake bullshit. Anything the Palestinians get is way more than they deserve. That being said, what the fuck are these assholes doing pumping out babies at exponential rates when THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO LIVE? Where's SA, Jordan Syria in taking in these poor victims of overbreeding? Why nowhere. Why should the nation slice of Israel be expected to absorb the spawn of traitors?

Methinks you hate Jews.


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Re: so how about that iran invasion pool? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5705262 - 06/02/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

7 ships and 6000 troops sent off to the gulf this week on an "anti-terror" cause.... will be gone 6 months... kinda makes you wonder whats coming up


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Re: so how about that iran invasion pool? [Re: snoopaloop53]
    #5705996 - 06/02/06 11:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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why stop supporting Isreal? because the arabs don't like the isrealis and now the arabs should tell us who to be friendly with and should decide on our own foriegn policy?




Why support any nation? The Constitution doesn't allow for the fed.gov to take my money to "support" nations that we agree with. It's not like I think we should encourage the PLO to run Israel into the sea, we just need to stop supporting them. No big whoop;)


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Re: so how about that iran invasion pool? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5706039 - 06/02/06 11:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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The "original" is a nice bit of bullshit.



Why is it bullshit? It's hard to decide who's land belongs to whom. While I'm not against military force being used to take land, even Israel refers to the land as the "Occupied Territories".
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No, most Muslims hate us, and the Jews, because they are backward troglodytes who can't stand the fact that we and the Jews outcompete them in every arena except 'splodeydope olympics. " They keep doing the same shit and they keep losing so it must be that the game is fixed." Hello! McFly! Maybe it's you who is the problem. Just maybe you are responsible for what happens to you. (The "you" referred to is the Arab religious trogs)



So why bother with their war? IF the Arabs and the Jews want to battle it out over a piece of rotten, filthy land, more power to them. I don't think that we should jump into a war just because AIPAC wants us to.
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So, there is no law in your world. Survival of the strongest. Bulletin time for you pal. You would probably be food, like 99% of humans, if not for collective agreements about law.



I've never seen the law that was passed that states it's our job to protect a foreign country the size of a quarter at the cost of billions of our dollars and thousands of our troops, not to mention civilians. If you support intervening for Israel, why not intervene all over the world for every group that happens to seem like they are on "our side".
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Oh that's priceless. Nope, no apartheid in fascist Arabia or Persia or any other nation that recognizes Sharia law and even uses the term "Dhimmi". Every Israeli citizen has a vote, Jew or not. Traitors and descendants of traitors don't.



Well, again, I really couldn't care. If it's support one country that offers us nothing in return, or withdrawing our support so that the nations that are sitting on the oil reserves will like us more, I'm just confused why thats even a choice.
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I myself will buy the shitbag's oil. That's it. Until they misbehave in my direction. Then I will kill the shitbags and install new, more polite, shitbags.



And until then, you'll just let American kids go off to fight your wars and let terrorists keep blowing up buildings. Why not just say "OK Isreal, you've NEVER lost a war to these particular shitbags, you've got great equipment, you are on your own."
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Ah yes, the usual St. Pancake bullshit. Anything the Palestinians get is way more than they deserve. That being said, what the fuck are these assholes doing pumping out babies at exponential rates when THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO LIVE? Where's SA, Jordan Syria in taking in these poor victims of overbreeding? Why nowhere. Why should the nation slice of Israel be expected to absorb the spawn of traitors?



I couldn't care less. Why should my tax dollars, or my friends, be sent to patrol that shithole desert so that Isreal can exist?
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Methinks you hate Jews.



I'll let my rabbi know that tomorrow, I'm sure he'll get a kick out of it.
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Re: so how about that iran invasion pool? [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5707546 - 06/03/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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The "original" is a nice bit of bullshit.



Why is it bullshit? It's hard to decide who's land belongs to whom. While I'm not against military force being used to take land, even Israel refers to the land as the "Occupied Territories".




The threat to Israel is not over the "Occupied Territories." It is about it's existence at all. ALL of it's territory. We do not assist Israel so that it can keep the West Bank. We assist it so that it will not be obliterated entirely, which is the oft stated goal of many of its neighbors. You kind of answer your own question about the "bullshit". "Original" is a nonsense descriptor of any nation's current ruling regime. There can be no "original."
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No, most Muslims hate us, and the Jews, because they are backward troglodytes who can't stand the fact that we and the Jews outcompete them in every arena except 'splodeydope olympics. " They keep doing the same shit and they keep losing so it must be that the game is fixed." Hello! McFly! Maybe it's you who is the problem. Just maybe you are responsible for what happens to you. (The "you" referred to is the Arab religious trogs)



So why bother with their war? IF the Arabs and the Jews want to battle it out over a piece of rotten, filthy land, more power to them. I don't think that we should jump into a war just because AIPAC wants us to.





I don't know what jumping you refer to. I am not aware that the US has sent even one soldier to defend Israel. And I don't think we should allow the Arab troglodytes to determine who should live and who should die just because AAPAC wants us to. The existence of Israel is an accepted fact of international law. The trogs can't seem to grasp that.
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So, there is no law in your world. Survival of the strongest. Bulletin time for you pal. You would probably be food, like 99% of humans, if not for collective agreements about law.



I've never seen the law that was passed that states it's our job to protect a foreign country the size of a quarter at the cost of billions of our dollars and thousands of our troops, not to mention civilians. If you support intervening for Israel, why not intervene all over the world for every group that happens to seem like they are on "our side".




Once again, I am not aware of any troop deployment the US has undertaken to protect Israel. Protect Kuwait, yes. Israel, no. Not yet. Further, I am not aware of any other friendly nation being threatened with annihilation by a troglodyte neighbor on the verge of stealing advanced technology to produce nuclear weapons. Perhaps you can point one out for me.
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Oh that's priceless. Nope, no apartheid in fascist Arabia or Persia or any other nation that recognizes Sharia law and even uses the term "Dhimmi". Every Israeli citizen has a vote, Jew or not. Traitors and descendants of traitors don't.



Well, again, I really couldn't care. If it's support one country that offers us nothing in return, or withdrawing our support so that the nations that are sitting on the oil reserves will like us more, I'm just confused why thats even a choice.




Whether you care or not is irrelevant. You made a statement about "Apartheid" Israel which was bullshit and I called you on it.
So just what is it? I don't give a shit if they like us. I don't care about being liked. What I care about is not being punched in the nose. And those sick resentful losers keep wanting to do that. And it doesn't have a fucking thing to do with Israel. They do not hate us because of Israel. That's not it.
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I myself will buy the shitbag's oil. That's it. Until they misbehave in my direction. Then I will kill the shitbags and install new, more polite, shitbags.



And until then, you'll just let American kids go off to fight your wars and let terrorists keep blowing up buildings. Why not just say "OK Isreal, you've NEVER lost a war to these particular shitbags, you've got great equipment, you are on your own."





Once again, Israel is not the impetus for the shitbags hatred of us. Did Hussein cite US support of Israel for the invasion of Kuwait or the war with Iran? No, he did not. Did OBL cite US support for Israel in its war with America? Not until it got a PR firm.
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Ah yes, the usual St. Pancake bullshit. Anything the Palestinians get is way more than they deserve. That being said, what the fuck are these assholes doing pumping out babies at exponential rates when THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO LIVE? Where's SA, Jordan Syria in taking in these poor victims of overbreeding? Why nowhere. Why should the nation slice of Israel be expected to absorb the spawn of traitors?



I couldn't care less. Why should my tax dollars, or my friends, be sent to patrol that shithole desert so that Isreal can exist?
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Methinks you hate Jews.



I'll let my rabbi know that tomorrow, I'm sure he'll get a kick out of it.
Shalom




There is no shortage of self hating Jews. The upper West side is riddled with Jews hating themselves for their success.

The duly elected government of the US has decided that it is in our interests to not allow a bunch of genocidal maniacs to obliterate an entire nation. Why you cannot perceive that this is a wise thing is beyond comprehension. I also cannot understand why you think Iraq and 9/11 were about Israel. They weren't.


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Re: so how about that iran invasion pool? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5712577 - 06/04/06 08:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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The threat to Israel is not over the "Occupied Territories." It is about it's existence at all. ALL of it's territory. We do not assist Israel so that it can keep the West Bank. We assist it so that it will not be obliterated entirely, which is the oft stated goal of many of its neighbors. You kind of answer your own question about the "bullshit". "Original" is a nonsense descriptor of any nation's current ruling regime. There can be no "original."
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So what about Israel makes it so worthy of our support?
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I don't know what jumping you refer to. I am not aware that the US has sent even one soldier to defend Israel. And I don't think we should allow the Arab troglodytes to determine who should live and who should die just because AAPAC wants us to. The existence of Israel is an accepted fact of international law. The trogs can't seem to grasp that.



Arguing that something is right, or wrong, because "the law says so" is ignorant. WHY should Israel get my tax dollars? Why should we give them our technology? Whats so fantastic about Israel that, should it perish, we'd suffer at all?
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Once again, I am not aware of any troop deployment the US has undertaken to protect Israel. Protect Kuwait, yes. Israel, no. Not yet. Further, I am not aware of any other friendly nation being threatened with annihilation by a troglodyte neighbor on the verge of stealing advanced technology to produce nuclear weapons. Perhaps you can point one out for me.



South Korea? What makes Israel a friendly nation?
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Whether you care or not is irrelevant. You made a statement about "Apartheid" Israel which was bullshit and I called you on it.
So just what is it? I don't give a shit if they like us. I don't care about being liked. What I care about is not being punched in the nose. And those sick resentful losers keep wanting to do that. And it doesn't have a fucking thing to do with Israel. They do not hate us because of Israel. That's not it.



I bet that if the US offically stopped supporting Israel, the terrorists would be a bit happier because of it.
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The duly elected government of the US has decided that it is in our interests to not allow a bunch of genocidal maniacs to obliterate an entire nation. Why you cannot perceive that this is a wise thing is beyond comprehension. I also cannot understand why you think Iraq and 9/11 were about Israel. They weren't.




What benefits can you think of from our support of israel?


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Re: so how about that iran invasion pool? [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5715696 - 06/05/06 04:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

For starters, the fact that they are a sovereign nation and as such have an internationally legal right not to be obliterated by their neighbors. Rule of law is generally considered to be a positive thing for civilisation except by various anarchist whackjobs, most of whom aren't really anarchists anyway. Enforce the law or you have no law.


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Re: so how about that iran invasion pool? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5715723 - 06/05/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

When's the last time Israel has been invaded by another country?


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Re: so how about that iran invasion pool? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5715982 - 06/05/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That puts a very fine point on the threat of obliteration issue, doesn't it? Words matter. As do sporadic but routine attacks by agents of neighboring hations.


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Re: so how about that iran invasion pool? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5717140 - 06/05/06 10:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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That puts a very fine point on the threat of obliteration issue, doesn't it? Words matter. As do sporadic but routine attacks by agents of neighboring hations.




You really haven't made one salient point at all recently. I PERSONALLY DO support Israels right to exist. However, saying that the dominant military force in the region, thats never lost one battle, needs our "help" is a bit illogical. Do you think that US Tax dollars should be going to relocate people frm the West bank?


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Re: so how about that iran invasion pool? [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5719606 - 06/06/06 04:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Money is fungible, so there is no way to say that any particular amount of money we send them is being used for any specific purpose. Most of the aid for Israel is military anyway. See this table:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.html
03,04,05,06 are all either estimated or proposed so I'll give 02.


Total contribution 2.848B Military 2.040B.
According to their estimates and projections, the percent share of contributions being for military has increased since then, as other contributions have absolutely decreased, but this is nonetheless illustrative. Further, these can be characterized thusly:

http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?DocId=753&CategoryId=4

"Promotes American interests in the Middle East

* The US funding to Israel acts as the backbone for the strategic partnership between both countries. By advancing Israel's technological and military powers, the US is able to share intelligence information regarding Arab militant groups, like Hizbullah, as well as information regarding the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction in countries such as Iran, Iraq and Syria.
* Three quarters of the military aid to Israel goes for importing US-made military equipment such as F-16 and Apache attack helicopters. This creates a job market for US citizens and transforms Palestine into a test ground for US made weaponry, used daily against Palestinians.
* Israel has cooperated with the US arms industry to develop more effective military equipment at affordable costs to the US. About one quarter of the military aid to Israel is contributed towards military research and development, where several innovative jet fighters, missiles and navigating and targeting devices have been manufactured and sold back to the US. Examples are the ITALD, Litening, Popeye and the UAV. "

I bolded the above portion because I thought it was illustrative of two things. One that we give them money to buy OUR products and two that this site is not a kneejerk Israel loving kill the Pallys propoganda machine.

Are those fucking salient enough.

And frankly, if you can't see the value of helping the most threatened nation on the planet from falling prey to external thugs and murderers and enforcing the rule of law then I don't know what to say. There is no law without enforcement and I am not so confident that they are the invincible war machine you seem to think they are. They are better than their troglodyte neighbors but their troglodyte neighbors continue to ramp up their abilities.

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