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Re: Stage 2 of detoxification (Day 3 To Day 7) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5705212 - 06/02/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Got a blender. Three in fact. Bananas are rich. Not good fruit for fasting. Kind of like fasting on Avocados. :grin: (they are a fruit also)


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Re: Stage 2 of detoxification (Day 3 To Day 7) [Re: Icelander]
    #5705774 - 06/02/06 10:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I can't help but want to participate in a fast very badly.

The fruit fast seems nice. I would actually be doing it to become healthier and maybe even lose some weight, although it's not too vital, I don't even think I am overweight, just not quite perfect, but I don't think it is the healthiest or most efficient way to lose weight anyways.

But either way, I eat rather unhealthily, and I feel a diet would be a nice intense spiritual, biological and etc experience.

Either way, the fruit diet seems most appealing as it isn't quite as intense. I am wondering, would most of the benefits still be there with the fruit as opposed to just juice? And also, can one eat fruit to one's heart's desire? Or is there a limit? And what is that limit?

I can see myself simple eating piles of strawberries tricking myself into thinking I am on some sort of fast. :smile:

Thanks, and Icelander, good luck, 10 days is quite a while. Im thinking of doing 5 days, one work week.


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Re: Stage 2 of detoxification (Day 3 To Day 7) [Re: michael_lifshitz]
    #5705856 - 06/02/06 10:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

how the hell do you cut a mango up? I always end up ripping it up and eating the pieces.

Just bite into it?


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Re: Stage 2 of detoxification (Day 3 To Day 7) [Re: palmersc]
    #5706829 - 06/03/06 08:05 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

day 3 of 30

all bodily hunger vanished

mind still playin games...
added fresh juiced pineapple

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Re: Stage 2 of detoxification (Day 3 To Day 7) [Re: Schwammel]
    #5707022 - 06/03/06 10:36 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Day 11 and still hanging in. I do have times when there is some hunger. I think much of that is emotional addiction to eating.


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Re: Stage 2 of detoxification (Day 3 To Day 7) [Re: palmersc]
    #5707273 - 06/03/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You do two slices, one vertically and one horizontally. Once the skin is sliced into quarters you slowly peel it up and off the fruit, then you cut the fruit away from the seed.


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Day 4 [Re: Cherk]
    #5710365 - 06/04/06 06:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

For the inexperienced faster, it is best to go slowly through the various steps and to avoid being excessive or impatient so that we learn about ourselves in the process. To do this, we need to make a plan and put it into effect, observing or "listening" to our body and even keeping notes in a journal. Get to really know yourself. Then, once we have fasted successfully, we could continue to do one-day fasts weekly or a three-day fast every month if we need them. This helps to reconnect us with a better diet and to remotivate us toward our goal of optimum health.

The goal, then, is to move into a one-day fast and then a few two- and three-day fasts with one or two days between them when light foods and more raw fruits and vegetables are consumed, and also provide fluids, juices, soups, and a generally alkaline cleansing diet. This way, we can build up to a five- to ten-day fast. When the transition is made this slowly, even a water fast can be less intense and more profound for those wishing a powerful personal and spiritual experience. With a water fast, however, I strongly suggest medical monitoring and retreating from usual daily life.

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Notes for later [Re: Schwammel]
    #5710384 - 06/04/06 07:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

When to stop fasting and make a transition back into eating also takes some inner attunement. Things to watch for include energy level, weight, detox symptoms, tongue coating, and degree of hunger. If our energy is up and then falls for more than a day or if our weight gets too low, these may be signs that we should come off the fast. If symptoms are intense or if any suddenly appear, it is possible that we need food. Generally, the tongue is a good indicator of our state of toxicity or cleansing and clarity. With fasting, the tongue usually becomes coated with a white, yellow, or gray film. This represents the body’s cleansing, and it will usually clear when the detox cycle is complete. Tongue observation is not a foolproof indicator, however. Some people’s tongues may coat very little, while others will remain coated. In this case, if we were to wait until it totally cleared, we may overextend our cleanse. If in doubt, it is better to make the transition back to foods and then cleanse again later. Hunger is another sign of readiness to move back into eating. Often during cleansing times, hunger is minimal. Occasionally, people are very hungry throughout a fast, but most lose interest in food from day three to day seven or ten and then experience real, deep-seated hunger again. This is a sign to eat (carefully!).

It is important to make a gradual transition into a regular diet, rather than just going out to dinner after a week-long fast. Breaking a fast must be planned and done slowly and carefully to prevent creating symptoms and sickness. It is suggested that we take several days, or half of our total cleansing time, to move back into our diet, which is hopefully a newly planned, more healthful diet. Our digestion has been at rest, so we need to go slowly and chew our foods very well. If we have fasted on water alone, we need to prepare our digestive tract with diluted juices, perhaps beginning with a few teaspoons of fresh orange juice in a glass of water and progressing to stronger mixtures throughout the day. Diluted grape or orange juice will stimulate the digestion. Arnold Ehret, a European fasting expert and proponent of the "mucusless" diet, suggests that fruits and fruit juices should not be used right after a meat eater’s first fast because they may coagulate intestinal mucus and cause problems. More likely, a meat eater’s colon bacteria are different than a vegetarian’s; with fruit sugars, the active gram-positive anaerobic bacteria in the meat eater will produce more toxins. Initially, a transition from meats to more vegetable foods will then allow a smoother fast, mainly with vegetable juices and broths. They could also take extra acidophilus to begin to shift their colon ecology.

With juice fasting, it is easier to make the transition back into foods. A raw or cooked low-starch vegetable, such as spinach or other greens, can be used. A little sauerkraut, a fermented cabbage, helps to stimulate the digestive function. A laxative-type meal, such as grapes, cherries, or soaked or stewed prunes, can also be used to initiate eating, as it is important to keep the bowels moving. Some experts say that the bowels should move within an hour or two after the first meal. If not, take an enema. Some people may do a saltwater flush (drinking a quart of water with 2 teaspoons of sea salt dissolved in it) before their first day of food.

However you make the transition, go slowly, chew well, and do not overeat or mix too many foods at a meal. Simple vegetable meals, salads, or soups can be used to start. Fruit should be eaten alone. Soaked prunes or figs are helpful. Well-cooked brown rice or millet is handled well by most people by the second day. From there, progress slowly through grains and vegetables. Some nuts, seeds, or legumes can be added, and then richer protein foods if these are desired. Coming back into foods is a crucial time for learning individual responses or reactions to them. You may even wish to keep notes, following such areas as energy level, intestinal function, sleep patterns, and food desires. If you respond poorly to a food, avoid it for a while, perhaps a week, and then eat it alone to see how it feels.


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Re: Notes for later [Re: Schwammel]
    #5710691 - 06/04/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Step 1 – fasting, a running start

Managing weight can only be achieved through a healthy diet, in other words, eating. We all know the greatest challenge in weight management is gaining control of what goes in the mouth on a day to day bases. Overeating or eating too fast, feeding cravings and emotions not hunger, eating calorie-concentrated foods with lack of physical activity, all lead to unwanted weight-gain. Much of what we eat feeds cravings and addictions rather than nutritional needs. The problem with feeding a craving is two-fold: we crave all the wrong things, fat, salt and processed sugar. When is the last time you had a “big carrot attack”? The second problem is, cravings cannot be satisfied, hence we overeat far too much of the wrong kinds of food.

This is where fasting can help and is a great new beginning.

A ten to thirty-day fast will brake the physical side of addiction, break up the bad cycle of eating. But even a thirty-day fast will not necessarily break the emotional ties to addiction. We will deal with this a little later.

Another gift fasting provides is a tangible starting point for a new you. There must be a divorce before there can be remarriage. Most people are more intimately involved with their eating than they are with their spouses. Fasting effectively serves the divorce papers to your former food-lovers. There is remorse, yearning, some testify to loneliness, as if an old friend has died. Makes sense, addiction is always there, waiting to comfort empty emotions, a comfort that comes at a great price.

Clear starting points are important to change. Over years of compromise you may have effortlessly fallen into physical disrepair. Moving toward health is an uphill climb, demanding a strong exercising of your will-muscle. Fasting is a great way to start working that muscle out.

Lastly, fasting will build powerful momentum, from a dead standstill to exciting motion. When years of weight fall off excitement and hope tingle, maybe I can do this! We all need a push in the right direction, fasting is just that.


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Re: Notes for later [Re: Schwammel]
    #5710696 - 06/04/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Terrific post. Thanks for sharing. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


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Re: Notes for later [Re: Schwammel]
    #5710705 - 06/04/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Step 2 - Raw fasting TRANSITION

I can tell you that from many testimonies and personal experience, the ending of a fast can be one of the most decisive moments of your whole life in terms of health. The completion of a fast can be the beginning of a new lifestyle or an excuse for a three-day feeding frenzy resulting in feelings of failure and shame. “Hope deferred makes the heart sick” Pr. 13:12. I know people who will never fast again because of the letdown during the first few days of eating, face-first in the same old pizza, a mockery to all the good that just happened during the fast.

Once you begin to eat after a fast, digestion reawakens and an interesting thing happens. Although physical addictions are broken and homeostasis is balanced, awakened hunger can also reawaken our psychological ties to the same addictions we had before the fast. Entering the world of food after a prolonged fast can almost be like walking into the neighborhood of your youth and experiencing the same old emotions of fear and insecurity you had as a kid. It can be discouraging after such a high. Fasting has freed your body from physiological addiction, but often only disciplined eating can effectively break deeper emotional addictions by replacing life-long, entrenched, comfort-eating patterns with new healthy ones.

Ending the fast by eating raw food for half the days you have fasted will serve as an effective transition from the world of fasting to the more demanding world of eating.

I hesitate calling a raw diet “fasting,” some people have made raw their lifetime diet. But there are real benefits to approaching a raw diet with a fasting mentality. Fasting demands a disciplined focus and determination. Once off the fast, we naturally loosen up focus. A raw food fast is just as demanding as juice fasting. I personally find a raw diet more challenging than juice fasting.

And here is a word of advice. Do not spend the last days of your fast dreaming about all the delicious foods you are going to indulge in. Deciding to eat raw for about half the fasting period will greatly help with this, allowing an emotional transition from the world of fasting to eating. Our imagination is so powerful Jesus said, ‘If we lust in our heart it as if we have committed adultery.” If you engage in illicit food-fantasies, dreaming about all the nasty foods you are going to gorge on after the fast you have missed the whole point, slipping right back into that old binge and purge mentality.

This is about permanently changing your eating-paradigm and never going back. Never! There is a place for enjoying a treat here and there but you know as well as I do that was never the problem! Feeling deprived? Maybe this would be a good place for a little encouragement. Vibrant health, youthful body, clear-mindedness, self-control, consistent energy, needing less sleep, clear complexion, disease resistant and longer life. Is it worth sacrificing all that for an addiction? Of course not. And if you let this program work it may take some time, some say up to a year, but you will teach your body to hunger and feel satisfied with healthy foods.

Raw food will always taste best after a fast. Eat as much as you please. You will continue to lose weight on a raw diet. In fact you may lose it faster, especially if most of your food is vegetables. There are far fewer calories in raw vegetables than juice. Raw food is bulking, fiber-filled, low density food. The abundance of soft fiber has the added benefit of cleaning out any toxins that have been deposited in the colon during the fast. Also, as you reawaken digestion the body will pull out of the fasting state, your metabolism will increase, hence you will burn more calories on a raw diet. A higher metabolism and less caloric intake equals weight loss.


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Re: Notes for later [Re: Schwammel]
    #5710708 - 06/04/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It is standard to use quotes when you are posting material from another source.

http://www.freedomyou.com/fasting_book/Fasting_For_Weight_Loss.htm


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Re: Notes for later [Re: Schwammel]
    #5710709 - 06/04/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Step 3 - HEALTHY lifestyle

You may have heard this slogan on the radio touted by a popular weight loss program. “You can eat the food you love and still lose weight.” The problem is we love the wrong kinds of food. The whole approach is shallow and wrong. Body fat is a visible and embarrassing symptom to a deeper issue and there is a real temptation to quick-fix the poundage away without dealing with the unhealthy lifestyle hidden behind pounds. As we have learned, most mainstream diet programs, although providing weight loss, are extremely unhealthy even dangerous to health. They do not deal in any meaningful way with the source of the problem lying concealed deep below the skin.

There is a lot of money to be made offering desperate people quick fixes. In good conscience, I cannot do this. This system will not hit the Diet Top Ten Chart because it forces uncomfortable change. There are no thrills or pills.

So here we are. You have fasted for 30 days and eaten raw for 15, and never felt better. Weight is off, a youthful vitality is returned, and you want to keep it all. The following are five principles, if followed throughout your life, will permanently establish vibrant health.

Increase the percentage of raw food in diet

- The number one thing you can do to extend health and vibrant living

is increase raw food. Living food for a living body.

Eat natural unprocessed food

- Eat natural unprocessed whole grain foods and unrefined oils.

- Educate yourself on what is truly natural and what is often a

marketing ploy. Read the ingredients; do not be fooled by labels.

Eat when hungry

- Overeating taxes the body, stores fat, creates excessive mucus.

- Eat slowly and enjoy. Chew food well to assist digestion

- Feed the body, starve the cravings, and don’t feed depression.

Fasting for spiritual and physical cleansing

- Regular periods of detoxification and cleansing through juice fasting

or a raw food diet.

- Fasting can be a launching board to dietary change.

- A tranquil time of spiritual refreshment.

Exercise for mental and physical well being

- Exercise builds confidence and discipline.

- Cleansing the lymphatic system, increase metabolism for weight

management. Better circulation, strengthened lungs and heart.

- Improved appetite and less fear of the occasional indulgence.




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Day 5 [Re: Schwammel]
    #5714468 - 06/05/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)


potassium low

went to the gym & hiked 5 miles

thinking clearer, more relaxed, blood pressure & pulse down

need lots of water, at least two gallons per day



whats up ice?


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Re: Day 5 [Re: Schwammel]
    #5715527 - 06/05/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hey! Day 13 and I think I've had enough. The thought of anymore fruit juice makes me want to chuck. :grin: I think tonight I will have steamed veggies. Then I want to go on something like the mediterian diet. Lots of veggies raw and cooked, whole grains in small amounts. Light on the proteins and give up the refined sugars for as long as possible.

If you make it to anywhere near your goal, I salute you. It's been a great ride and now I want veggies. :thumbup:


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Re: Day 5 [Re: Icelander]
    #5715915 - 06/05/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

glad I read your post, I was thinking about a juice fast; lacked momentum,,,

13 days of fasting is pretty damn good plus the 7 days to break the fast is 20 days.


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Re: Day 5 [Re: Schwammel]
    #5715971 - 06/05/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Breakfast?

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Re: Day 5 [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5716070 - 06/05/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Your dog is adorable


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Re: Day 5 [Re: Schwammel]
    #5716315 - 06/05/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Schwammel said:
glad I read your post, I was thinking about a juice fast; lacked momentum,,,

13 days of fasting is pretty damn good plus the 7 days to break the fast is 20 days.




This fast will be broken before 20 days. I will just eat little meals. My oigional goal was 10 days. I figured if I set the bar at 20 the 10 would be relatively easy. Which it was. Now I just want to eat well and stay off the simple carbs and sugars.


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Re: Day 5 [Re: Icelander]
    #5716329 - 06/05/06 07:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Whether 10 or 20 days was your goal, your resolve brought you to 13 days. I much admire your will and control. Congratulate yourself.


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