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which is more important? Life or Liberty?
    #5674335 - 05/25/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I say it depends on the situation.


If you are fighting a revolution, liberty is more important. As a matter of fact I would say liberty is more important in general, but there are specific situations where life is more important.

For instance, pollution is a situation which makes life more important than liberty. If liberty is destroying life, then liberty must be curtailed at least temporarily.

what do you think?


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Re: which is more important? Life or Liberty? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5674352 - 05/25/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Liberty is not liberty when it endangers the lives of others.


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Re: which is more important? Life or Liberty? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5674534 - 05/25/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Liberty is impossible without life.

As a necessary condition for liberty, life must be considered more important.


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Re: which is more important? Life or Liberty? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5674545 - 05/25/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

liberty is ALWAYS worth your life. our ancestors fought to keep it for us, and we must fight to keep it for our future generations.

one of these days this country will see chaos not rivaled by any in our past.


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Re: which is more important? Life or Liberty? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #5674697 - 05/25/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I agree, but there are many liberties that infringe upon the lives of others unfairly, as silversoul pointed out.  like, for instance, air pollution :smile:  Nobody has the right to pollute the air I breathe unecessarily. 

It is important to life on this planet that we preserve the environment, therefore if our liberties must be curtailed to preserve the environment, then so be it.


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Re: which is more important? Life or Liberty? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5674755 - 05/25/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"The tree of Liberty must be replenished from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"

---Thomas Jefferson


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And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: which is more important? Life or Liberty? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5675044 - 05/25/06 10:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

SirTripAlot said:
"The tree of Liberty must be replenished from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"

---Thomas Jefferson




Lock and load your AK's, time to clean house...


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Re: which is more important? Life or Liberty? [Re: downforpot]
    #5675678 - 05/26/06 01:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

there will be no violent revolution. Rather, there will be a new world order.


a revolution in consciousness has already occured.

the children are winning.


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Re: which is more important? Life or Liberty? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5677119 - 05/26/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

if you lose your life, you've lost 100% of your liberty. any other infringement on liberty, no matter how severe, is not so complete. therefore i'll say "life", but it's not really an either/or thing.


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Re: which is more important? Life or Liberty? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5677255 - 05/26/06 02:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

DoctorJ said:
there will be no violent revolution. Rather, there will be a new world order.


a revolution in consciousness has already occured.

the children are winning.




A narcissistic derangement has already occurred.
The "children" are eating paste again.


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Re: which is more important? Life or Liberty? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5677317 - 05/26/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'd rather eat acid :smile:


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Re: which is more important? Life or Liberty? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5677320 - 05/26/06 02:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Then do it!


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Re: which is more important? Life or Liberty? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5677321 - 05/26/06 02:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

who is to say that the absolute loss of life is not synonymous with absolute liberty.?
Who can say they know the other side well enough to make declarations absolute one way or the other?

As for me I would argue that loss of life far preferable to some kinds of captivity.
Having just spent a month or so in the brigs, I can tell you while facing sometime in the prison system if convicted, it is not yet reached a point where I would willingly give my life to preserve my liberty, cause as it stands now it is only temporary. The duration of the projected sentence being five years, though I doubt I will receive that much time.

Now for the total subjugation of all I hold more dear than myself, family and friends, right to read and write, I say let there be blood and destruction, and death untold, so that liberty may live to mourn those that held scorn for oppression.


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Re: which is more important? Life or Liberty? [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #5677324 - 05/26/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i'd rahter eat the blood of my enemies.


j/k


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Re: which is more important? Life or Liberty? [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #5677331 - 05/26/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I, frankly, don't wish to be mourned. And the "liberty" so flippantly bandied about here is not anything I would give my life for. Risk it, sure. Give it, never.


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Re: which is more important? Life or Liberty? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5677337 - 05/26/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

your point is fine and well received.

Risk vs give?


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Re: which is more important? Life or Liberty? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5692579 - 05/30/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

way to vague, i cant argue abstracts


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Re: which is more important? Life or Liberty? [Re: BlueRidge]
    #5692706 - 05/30/06 09:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

sounds like a personal problem to me
:rofl:


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Re: which is more important? Life or Liberty? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5696920 - 05/31/06 09:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Liberty is more important. If you have no liberty, you have no guarantee of life anyway.

More over if you violate the rights of others because you want to, that is not liberty. That is tyranny.

Give me liberty or give me death. -Patrick Henry


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Re: which is more important? Life or Liberty? [Re: DieSpectra]
    #5697133 - 05/31/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Your concepts intrigue me, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter :thumbup:

however, too much liberty can easily put an end to life. 

you don't believe me, wait and see, friend.  wait and see.


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