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cacti seeds
#5673037 - 05/25/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Which would you pick, San Pedro or Peruvian Torch??
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Re: cacti seeds [Re: Anonymous]
#5673044 - 05/25/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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san pedro
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Re: cacti seeds [Re: Banez]
#5673058 - 05/25/06 01:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think peruvian torch are a better looking cactus and are suppose to be a little more potent.
But I would choose san pedro seeds because there is some confusion on wether or not the seeds sold by vendors are actually peruvianus.
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Re: cacti seeds [Re: Anonymous]
#5673146 - 05/25/06 01:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Peruvian Torch, because I have read they are more potent then the others available. I just bought about 100 seeds yesterday for $5. Can anyone show me to a good guide for growing this type of cacti from seed?
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Re: cacti seeds [Re: TheHulk]
#5673198 - 05/25/06 02:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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hmm just put a dusting of soil over the seeds.. over the pot with syran wrap.. you need moisture within the soil, but not too wet.. and place them in the sun
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#5673277 - 05/25/06 02:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: cacti seeds [Re: poboy]
#5673390 - 05/25/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
poboy said: He asked how to grow them not how to cook them.Poboy
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oo thats what i did.. its working pretty well for me.. im here in week 3 of my grow
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If you're going with seeds, I'd get something more interesting.
Pedro seeds can be strange. They may be pedro, sure, but they will grow into something much different than what you normally see as san pedro. The reason, is that nearly all the san pedro specimens sold are clones. Naturally, clones don't breed with clones, and the backeberg clone doesn't like flowering as often as other tricho's, if I'm not mistaken.
Seed packets, even from reliable sources, sometimes prove to turn out seedlings with all sorts of different characteristics.
Peruvian torch: If you buy these seeds, your chances are pretty high of getting KK242 seeds. Thesee are believed to be cuzcoensis cacti. Even if they aren't, they are proven to be miserably potent. There are tons of different variations of so called peruvianus being sold. And thanks to Knize, they're still usually mislabeled. I'd simply grow peruvianus as a curious side project, and collect a bunch of variations, etc. Don't count on getting... well, anything at all. Who know's what you'll have.
Bridgesii, through a reliable vendor, on the other hand will almost surely prove to be bridgesii. There are a few variations, but once they've grown a bit it is hard to deny that they're bridgesii specimens.
All the talk about peruvianus being better: This is based on the content of dry or powdered 'peruvianus' imported into the country. It holds little in common with the plants and seeds being labeled as peruvianus by US shops. Like I said, they're primarily kk242, and the rest are "?". Some believe quite strongly that the dry material comes from T. Macrogonus. Not to start a discussion about whether or not that is true... but either way, find yourself some of those seeds. It isn't a zingy catch name like PERUVIAN TORCH, etc, and your vendor labeling such seeds is more likely to be truthful. It's a good, potent cactus to have growing.
In short, I'm not trying to discourage anyone from growing cacti from seed. But, find a reliable supplier, and don't get your hopes up on one packet of seeds actually giving the plant labeled. There's a good chance your vendor didn't know either. Don't have your future garden rely on one kind of seed from one source. It'd be good to have cuttings of things that you know are proven, while you wait for the seedlings to mature. You might end up with something you didn't want initially. Go for specific varieties you want, maybe pick up K. Trout's book. And remember that anything labeled as San Pedro or Peruvian Torch could contain just about anything.
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The T. peruianus seeds we have at the ethno ring were breed and harvested by Pharmboy at the Nook. His parent plants came from seed harvested in Icaros, Peru, and Bio assayed by other membes of his forum.
Vendor seeds though I agree. Many of the greenhouses and nurseries I have contacted even get their seeds from second hand importers.
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Re: cacti seeds [Re: llamabox]
#5673628 - 05/25/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's good to hear. Icaro's seeds are *probably* T. Macrogonus, but who knows, eh?
The important thing is not the name (as they've all been somewhat trashed by now) but the source, and a good account of the history of the plant. Icaro's seeds have a wonderful well known history, and are surely the very best "t. peruvianus" someone could buy.
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yeah hopefully in a couple years, with selective breeding and genetic pooling i can manage to genetically create a solid plant
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Re: cacti seeds [Re: Anonymous]
#5673837 - 05/25/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Gte peyote seeds!!!
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Re: cacti seeds [Re: Taskenti]
#5673999 - 05/25/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have been talking to MS Smith about gathering and storing pollen, at the ethno ring, from known plants for breeders who are wanting to obtain new genetics.
I think this may throw a bunch of hybrids and "new" species into the trade unless care is taken.
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Re: cacti seeds [Re: llamabox]
#5674008 - 05/25/06 05:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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what did he say?
pollen doesn't store well, even in a fridge.
man i've got to get back to you about this trade, me want icaros!!!
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Re: cacti seeds [Re: faslimy]
#5674139 - 05/25/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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He pointed me to this thread:
Tricho Clone x Same Clone will not work These cacti are not self-fertile but you'll need to cross with another Trich You can try and it may overcome the barriers with the second flower if nothing turns up.
secondly the plants flower is receptive to pollenation only for the first few hours after opening and BEFORE it releases it's mature pollen. Pollen collections can be made but there is some question remaining about just how long that the pollen is viable. (Days- Weeks - Months?) I have some pollen that's been kept in the fridge and I'll try it on this flower make collections and pollenate the rest with the Juuls.
The way to collect pollen: Take a few Q-Tips and gently brushing and roll over the mature ochre yellow pollen. from the stamens . This will happen on the second and third night of flowering. You can collect the pollen that's fallen and collected upon the petals. let these dry a bit from any dew that may have been collected as well. Place them into a ziplock plastic bag wrap in a paper bag and place in the fridge until use. they should keep reliably for a few weeks at least.
get that fresh pollen out there for someone that may need it (TRADE)
to fertilize: take your q-tip swabs and roll them over the newly opened flowers pistil (white center "star" jutting out from the center of the flower) so that the pollen will stick and hopefully be taken by the plant. If you're trying to perform a specific cross you should cover the opened flower with a paper bag to keep out moths and other insects that may be carrying other pollen from neighboring cacti.
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Re: cacti seeds [Re: Anonymous]
#5700029 - 06/01/06 03:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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If these are properly labeled (they should be, given the set he has now, the source is pretty easy to guess, and reliable) you should certainly pick up a pack of these:
http://www.shamanspalace.com/product_info.php?products_id=144
And you'd be supporting a sponsor too.
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I've heard that rumor that all pedros are clones of the same plant but never saw any proof of that. I really doubt it, south america is full of pedro. You can send a shipload a month and never run them out. Why on earth would they all be clones of the same plant or a few plants? Not likely.
I have plenty of pedro seed, torch seed and other cactus seeds. PM me for a swap if interested.
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Actually, nearly all the pedro you buy in the US (be it from an entho vendor or normal cactus shop) are indeed a clone of the plant Backeberg brought over many decades ago. In fact, other pedro have pretty striking differences usually. Backeberg clones are pretty easy to recognize.
Sure there are other ones though, just not nearly as common. Obviously any seed grown cactus wouldn't be of the clone, as clones can't mate. But it may have had a parent of that type.
There are many, MANY varieties of trichocereus in the US. You just aren't likely going to find them in your average places. There are many types of supposed peruvianus from south america, but the most widely sold is the KK242 here. Seems that nurseries just stick with the norm.
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