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Coir as a sub
    #5672771 - 05/25/06 12:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

First off I would love to comment on how great this site is. I would also like to mention that I was refered here by a friend and they sware by the site. Oh and I have grown many successful grows before.

Here is my story. I would LOVE to use horse poo but my Ms. will not stand for it, said that was a no way in hell. So this is where I am now.

Got a 10gal tub that is for my fruiting chanber that I was thinking about coir as a substrate. maybe like 2 qt's of Bird seed or rye to it. I think that one brink would cover the bottom with about 3" abd 1 brick is only $3. Also from past experience found it requires no sterlisation.

Now when and if i can spawn to coir can I not use a caseing layer? Can it spawn from fully colinised to fruit? Or will it overlay? I know horse poo has no overlay.

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Re: Coir as a sub [Re: fyouseeku]
    #5672799 - 05/25/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Use coco coir as a substrate.

Absolutely pasteurize it, or if you choose, sterilize it.

No casing layer is needed for cubensis.

Wouldn't worry about overlay if I were you.
I use coir for a bulk substrate tons.
Have some fruiting right now with no casing and an almost perfect pinset.
I've never seen overlay in my house.


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Re: Coir as a sub [Re: monstermitch]
    #5672833 - 05/25/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I agree. I've been using coir as a sub and the only complaints i've had are too many pins.


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Re: Coir as a sub [Re: fyouseeku]
    #5672845 - 05/25/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

First off, overlay is when a casing layer gets hard and matted down with mycelium because of letting it colonize too much. If you aren't using a casing layer, you actually want "overlay", as the substrate needs to be 100% colonized before you induce pinning. IME, coir works great without a casing layer in a double tub:



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Re: Coir as a sub [Re: Sinthetic]
    #5672846 - 05/25/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I ahve bed a beast... how will that hold up?

While looking at the sponsers i found this http://mediummania.com/_wsn/page3.html


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Re: Coir as a sub [Re: fyouseeku]
    #5672849 - 05/25/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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fyouseeku said:
I ahve bed a beast... how will that hold up?

While looking at the sponsers i found this http://mediummania.com/_wsn/page3.html




Bed a beast will work. I wouldn't pay shipping if you can find it locally.


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Re: Coir as a sub [Re: fyouseeku]
    #5672863 - 05/25/06 12:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

pet smart has bed a beast for $6.00 :frown:


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Re: Coir as a sub [Re: fyouseeku]
    #5672873 - 05/25/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hey foo, do you think that I could prep coir like you do your horse poo?

I use to just soak in a pillow case in hot tap water for about 20 min or so.

What is this i hear of coir is a one flush wonder?


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Re: Coir as a sub [Re: fyouseeku]
    #5672919 - 05/25/06 12:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

coir is not a one flush wonder at all.
a thin layer of straw maybe, but not coir.

Coir can be prepared and pasteurized just like h/poo can.
keep in mind coir bricks expand.


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Re: Coir as a sub [Re: monstermitch]
    #5673147 - 05/25/06 01:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I was thinking about 1 brick per 10 Gal tub

I think i will get an ok yeid off that don't you think?


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Re: Coir as a sub [Re: fyouseeku]
    #5673200 - 05/25/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

not sure about amount per tub size.

Coir will hook you up with great yeild.

A brick is quite a bit, probably won't need that much.

Use about 3" of substrate and 1/2" of casing, if you choose casing. It takes longer, but will help in the end.


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Re: Coir as a sub [Re: monstermitch]
    #5679177 - 05/27/06 12:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

when you just use coir as a substrate w/no casing do you patch w/sterilized coir and then fruit... How and when do you like to intiate pinning w/coir?


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Re: Coir as a sub [Re: Sour_D]
    #5679622 - 05/27/06 05:19 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

treat it just like a casing
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never ever
call it a casing.


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Re: Coir as a sub [Re: Hippie3]
    #5679741 - 05/27/06 07:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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treat it just like a casing
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never ever
call it a casing.




That confuses me.... This is a cool thred because I my Ms. hates hpoo as well. She is fine with coir though hehe


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Re: Coir as a sub [Re: Babo911]
    #5679761 - 05/27/06 07:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It's going to confuse and mislead a lot of people. You can't treat an uncased substrate like it was a casing. If you did, you'd 'initiate' fruiting when the mycelium first reached the surface, while the rest of the substrate was still largely uncolonized. Such will lead to disaster.

With uncased substrate, wait for full colonization, then place in the fruiting chamber. Try to keep humidity at 99%, since uncased substrates should be treated as cakes. Remember, when using a casing layer, we keep the humidity a bit lower to allow some evaporation from the casing, which is replaced by daily mistings. A piece of wax paper layed loosely over the uncased substrate will help produce a micro-climate conducive to fruiting, but remember that even though it helps, wax paper is no substitute for a genuine casing layer.
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Re: Coir as a sub [Re: fyouseeku]
    #5679926 - 05/27/06 09:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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What is this i hear of coir is a one flush wonder?




It's kind a a 1 flush potency wonder IME. First flush-potent. Following flushes- :thumbdown:


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Re: Coir as a sub [Re: FooMan]
    #5680242 - 05/27/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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fyouseeku said:
What is this i hear of coir is a one flush wonder?




It's kind a a 1 flush potency wonder IME. First flush-potent. Following flushes- :thumbdown:




If you were to add a caseing layer of 50/50+ you think it would come up any better?


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Re: Coir as a sub [Re: Babo911]
    #5680355 - 05/27/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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fyouseeku said:
What is this i hear of coir is a one flush wonder?




It's kind a a 1 flush potency wonder IME. First flush-potent. Following flushes- :thumbdown:




If you were to add a caseing layer of 50/50+ you think it would come up any better?




It would do nothing for potency, being that the casing should have no nutes. Casing a substrate properly will always be better than an uncased substrate, as far as pinset and the size of the mushrooms go.


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Re: Coir as a sub [Re: FooMan]
    #5680665 - 05/27/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Casing a substrate properly will always be better than an uncased substrate, as far as pinset and the size of the mushrooms go.





Some have had their largest fruit's off of an uncased substrate..


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Re: Coir as a sub [Re: kristen]
    #5708470 - 06/03/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Casing a substrate properly will always be better than an uncased substrate, as far as pinset and the size of the mushrooms go.





Some have had their largest fruit's off of an uncased substrate..




True, but do you want a couple big mushrooms or a great pinset and a TON of mushrooms? Casing or not, you still need to have the proper conditions to get good results. I haven't really noticed a difference in size between cased and uncased substrates myself.


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