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Drinkin at the sin bar
    #5670047 - 05/24/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

A lot of Christians believe that they are drinking at the sin bar, and Jesus is footing the tab.

They show up in Church, they tithe their 10%, which they think is Jesus' cut, but is actually the cut of a bunch of crooked child-molestors.

They think that Jesus will foot the tab for their sins. Well he did once, but then he took over and instituted a new system of punishment and reward in addition to Heaven and Hell. Its called Karma and reincarnation.

The sad fact of the matter is that even if you are saved, Jesus ain't footin your tab. YOU ARE.

When you die, you will return to the God you believe in. And he will look at the events of your life and assign you a new life based on the morality of your actions. The life he assigns may be something much better or something much worse. THAT DEPENDS ON YOU.

So choose your actions wisely, and always try to have good intentions.


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5670097 - 05/24/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the moral potency of his revalation is?


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5670146 - 05/24/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

you did it to yourself. 

the joke's on you

you thought someone else was paying :lol:

It was you all along, you scurvy shiester bastard!

I pity your fate


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5670240 - 05/24/06 08:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

mmmmm

so why not just be a Buddhist and not worry about Jesus, so you can break free from samsara (reincarnation) and be one with God?

Or is that what Jesus is for.... breaking free right now or you keep recycling till you get it right?


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5670246 - 05/24/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Pity is for pussies.


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: leery11]
    #5670254 - 05/24/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

you can end the cycle of incarnation in one life, if you do it right. Thats what eastern religion is all about.

what eastern religion doesn't say is that perfection and being with God gets boring after awhile. Its fun to incarnate! Its fun to lose everything and get it all back again. Its fun to have an ego and a personality and feelings, and a little robot body to do things with. I do it all the time.

I've been to heaven and hell and many alien worlds. But every now and then I come to earth just to hang out a little. It gets a little better and a little worse every time I come here. But mostly better.


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: Icelander]
    #5670264 - 05/24/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Pity is for pussies.




:lol:

maybe you're right, Icelander

perhaps I'll take your advice when I judge your soul- or lack thereof.

Thanks for putting the idea in my head.


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5670279 - 05/24/06 09:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Of course you would misunderstand my statement.

That's ok, you do your best.


No soul= no problem. :wink:


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: Icelander]
    #5670291 - 05/24/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

dude for real.

there is no fun in incarnation unless you are enlightened.

ask anyone who isn't!


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: leery11]
    #5670313 - 05/24/06 09:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

you have to let yourself out of jail


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5670337 - 05/24/06 09:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i'm working on it.

not full time though, which i should be.


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Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5670441 - 05/24/06 09:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

DoctorJ said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
Pity is for pussies.




:lol:

maybe you're right, Icelander

perhaps I'll take your advice when I judge your soul- or lack thereof.

Thanks for putting the idea in my head.




You are so delusional it's beginning to be funny.


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: Syle]
    #5670443 - 05/24/06 09:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ditto


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5670485 - 05/24/06 09:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Just to finish my quote. Pity is for pussies and empathy is for warriors.


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: Icelander]
    #5670541 - 05/24/06 10:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Just to finish my quote. Pity is for pussies and empathy is for warriors.




Sounds like something out of the Manual of the Warrior of Light (Paulo Coelho). I don't think he often mentions pussies though tbh :wink:


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: Jackenobi]
    #5670658 - 05/24/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

cohelo is a complete tool. that alchemist book sucked salty balls. I seriously almost puked when I read that drivel.


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: Jackenobi]
    #5670694 - 05/24/06 10:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Jackenobi said:
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Icelander said:
Just to finish my quote. Pity is for pussies and empathy is for warriors.




Sounds like something out of the Manual of the Warrior of Light (Paulo Coelho). I don't think he often mentions pussies though tbh :wink:




Never read it or heard of it.


It's my quote and he can't have it. :grin: To pity some one is to put yourself above. To empathize is to share and understand. Empathy is the realization of our shared experience and our oneness with everything.


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: Icelander]
    #5670829 - 05/24/06 11:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with you here. But there are some times when pity is acceptable.

like when Mr T says: "I pity the fool"


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5671519 - 05/25/06 03:52 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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you can end the cycle of incarnation in one life, if you do it right. Thats what eastern religion is all about.

what eastern religion doesn't say is that perfection and being with God gets boring after awhile. Its fun to incarnate! Its fun to lose everything and get it all back again. Its fun to have an ego and a personality and feelings, and a little robot body to do things with. I do it all the time.

I've been to heaven and hell and many alien worlds. But every now and then I come to earth just to hang out a little. It gets a little better and a little worse every time I come here. But mostly better.




between disinformation
and fabrication
you launch incendaries
no wonder you are projecting
a bundle of guilt maps
this is the path of guilt
the sorrow of the hungry ghost
spurting from one manifestation
into the next afraid to
slow down or be still
addicted to the whoosh
as if
that were the important most self

whoosh, dr.J
who shhh.
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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5671775 - 05/25/06 07:22 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Fuck Jesus, and fuck God. They don't exist, and there is no sin except for TV. All animals kill, and sometimes its just for fun. Shit happens, and if you can't move on... there is always therapy.


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5671886 - 05/25/06 08:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I ain't got nothin to be guilty about anymore


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5671912 - 05/25/06 08:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

who oo shh?


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5671959 - 05/25/06 08:56 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Just WiSh


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5671961 - 05/25/06 08:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I liked The Alchemist, it spoke to me well at the particular stage in my life when i read it.

You wouldn't like the Manual either i imagine, just a collection of thoughtful and slightly encrypted maxims/principles. Perhaps Coelho not your cup of tea. I'm not sure he is mine at this point in my life, but i do like the Manual.

The semi biographical one about his religious chapter and his sword i enjoyed recently come to think of it.

Icelander, its just all to do with Empathy, Implaccability and Capriciousness. Your comment was probably too jovial for Mr Coelho to want to steal, so rest easy!


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: psyka]
    #5672061 - 05/25/06 09:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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psyka said:
Fuck Jesus, and fuck God. They don't exist, and there is no sin except for TV. All animals kill, and sometimes its just for fun. Shit happens, and if you can't move on... there is always therapy.



so from this do you find any meaning in living other than survival and material comforts?

There is plenty of sin, it's whatever you do that brings inner conflict (hopefully not becaus eof dogma but because of your own personality) and you realize "I shouldn't have done that" or you knew you shouldn't have done it in the first place.

This inner conflict creates a hell right then and there in the immediate peresent.

And there sure is a Jesus, maybe not in the sky or in Heaven but definitely as an archetype in the collective unconscious for which to become.


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: leery11]
    #5672201 - 05/25/06 10:32 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

And there sure is a Jesus, maybe not in the sky or in Heaven but definitely as an archetype in the collective unconscious for which to become.

Superman! :todcasil:  :dancinghitler:


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5673963 - 05/25/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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what eastern religion doesn't say is that perfection and being with God gets boring after awhile. 




We've been through this one already, my friend, and you failed to address my points then. Any sort of level of higher awareness, and amount of transcendence, is going to further limit the possibility of experiencing a dissatisfaction of reality like boredom.

Boredom is a denial of reality. It isn't preferential, and someone who is of a higher understanding is not going to get "bored".

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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5674184 - 05/25/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

If you weren't bored with being one with God, you wouldn't be incarnated on this planet right now. I'm telling you, you've been there before. Not all kids your age are as enlightened as you, dude. Believe me, you've been there.




Bored to Death by GG Allin

"I am bored to death
Just so bored of the human race
I'm so bored of life
That it don't matter what I say

I am sick of school
Just so sick of that golden rule
I am sick of you
And I'm gettin real sick of me

I am bored to death
I just don't care where the world has been
I'm so bored a life and I don't know what its headed to.

Just don't matter what I say
Ain't gonna change a fuckin thing
I don't like parents and I don't like rules
But it doesn't matter anyway

Just don't like you anyway
So sick of your golden way
I don't like politicians and I don't like laws
So they can't fuck with me.

I am bored to death
I just don't care where the world has been
I'm so bored a life and I don't know what its headed to. "


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5676108 - 05/26/06 06:56 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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If you weren't bored with being one with God, you wouldn't be incarnated on this planet right now. 




Please, that doesn't even make an ounce of sense. If one were "one with God", there wouldn't be any aspect of oneself that would even be capable of boredom.

Boredom is an emotional denial of reality. Someone who has transcended their mental sense of self, someone who is "one with God", will not be capable of being bored, as there will be nothing there that could be bored.

You repeatedly demonstrate that you are incapable of understanding this basic concept as it relates to one's degree of awareness and to transcendence of abstract notions of self. How, then, can you even pretend to know what "being one with God" means, much less preach about it from that state of knowing?

Its simple. Boredom is a dissatisfaction with the way reality presents itself. Anyone who is emotionally dissatisfied with reality is of a limited amount of awareness, as anyone who realizes the nature of themself and of reality will not have their state of mind and their experience of reality diminished or obstructed because of the manner in which reality presents (expresses) itself. Anyone who would experience boredom or propose that boredom is experienced by one who is "one with God" has never experienced transcendence from the abstract notions of self that produce a state such as boredom.

Thus, anyone who experiences boredom is not "enlightened", not "one with God". Please refrain from insisting you are an authority on something when you consistently demonstrate that you could not be one.

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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5676544 - 05/26/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Please refrain from insisting you are an authority on something when you consistently demonstrate that you could not be one.

Request denied. :frown: :tongue:


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5676680 - 05/26/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ur way too closeminded to be jesus


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5676695 - 05/26/06 11:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

He don't need no stinking jesus. He's the FireyWorkingsOfGod. :hairmetal: :crankey: :mrt: :psychsplit:


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: Icelander]
    #5676711 - 05/26/06 11:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

no shit!

he sounds more like an 'eye for an eye' type of guy.

Jesus wasn't nothin like that. He should stop misrepresentin'


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5676726 - 05/26/06 11:19 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

More like you right? The Jesus that might wear a bigot finger necklace.


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5676804 - 05/26/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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ur way too closeminded to be jesus




Closedmindedness equating into actively disagreeing with your point of view, perhaps?

Being open-minded does not mean that one accepts whatever someone proposes. Being open-minded implies listening to another and giving oneself mental space to take the ideas into consideration.

Honestly, it would be easier to be more open-minded to your point of view if you actually expressed something of substance to go with your claims and assertions. I firmly repeat that your allegation that someone who is "one with God", "enlightened", or etc. will eventually get bored simply does not make sense, and completely contradicts the nature of the state that they will suspossedly grow bored of.

I also contend that you quite possibly do not understand what boredom is, beyond your simple experience of it, or the nature of being of a higher awareness, and how that nature naturally prevents the formation of such a dissatisfaction with reality as boredom.

Sure, it is easy to tell someone else that they are close-minded when they propose points and contentions that differ from your own, but it is an entirely different thing to actually engage in discussion concerning those points and to demonstrate the reasoning and basis for one's own point of view, or to simply admit that one is wrong in their assertions, and to take into consideration the expanded perspsective that has been offered them.

I acknowledge that it requires admitting mistakes and taking responsibility for oneself and one's thoughts, but hell, that is how we grow and evolve. :wink:

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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5676836 - 05/26/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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The sad fact of the matter is that even if you are saved, Jesus ain't footin your tab. YOU ARE.

When you die, you will return to the God you believe in.




What if the hypothetical dead person believed in Jesus Christ as God and resurrection rather than reincarnation? You're saying he will return to Jesus Christ?


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: loopin20]
    #5676989 - 05/26/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yes

I am connected to christ, and I talk to the souls in his collection all the time.

Jesus lets people come and go as they please.

but most tend to stay


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5677013 - 05/26/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

you said yourself that if anyone nailed you to a cross, you would make them pay.

Jesus said when someone hits you, turn the other cheek. Pray for your enemies, requite injury with kindness, etc.

Jesus wanted no reward for what he did. He was completely unselfish, as I have striven (though not always succeeded) to be.

He had the ultimate faith, and I respect that to the utmost.

Many people have become one with God. Drunvalo is a good example of this. He plunged himself into the very low level of 3D so he could help others find God.

Some people stay with God for ever. They don't get bored. But some find it necessary to oscilate back and forth. Why can't you except this?


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Re: Drinkin at the sin bar [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5677671 - 05/26/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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DoctorJ said:
you said yourself that if anyone nailed you to a cross, you would make them pay.




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Some people stay with God for ever.  They don't get bored.  But some find it necessary to oscilate back and forth.  Why can't you except this?




Because, as I have already stated, it doesn't make much of any sense. :wink:

I mean, most certainly, you've had your personal experiences, resultant from your mind, or possibly some higher sort of reality (one can never know from which), and you choose to believe whatever you choose to believe.

And yet, nothing can be directly perceived concerning this belief. I don't sit, immersed in the present moment, gazing out the window, and suddenly observe a God and reincarnations of people who are "with him", so I don't begin to imagine beliefs that relate to such an observation.

Simple. To me, and my perspective on life and reality, it does not make sense. Unless you can provide for more of an understanding that would assist me in realizing the true nature of your belief, I contend that it does not make sense to me. :wink:

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