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Quantum Thinking
    #5669945 - 05/24/06 07:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Human beings are supposed to be quantum computers.

But many in many instances, they tend to think like binary computers.

This is a step down.

To a binary computer, everything is either or. Everything is cause and effect. If this, Then that. 1 or 0.

That's fine for figuring out math problems, but life is not a math problem! It entails a few math problems, but it is not one in itself.

According to quantum principles, the universe is not digital, it is analoque. It is not an on off switch, it is a volume knob that goes infinitely in all directions.

Aren't you glad you aren't a computer? They are slaves! You are free. SO STOP THINKING LIKE A COMPUTER!

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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5669990 - 05/24/06 07:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

well, quantum computers, theoretically, wouldn't work completely analog either.

The overall theme of QM is that things can be both on and off/here and there


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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5670010 - 05/24/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

OK, you're right. The universe is digital and analogue. I use digital things all the time. Like the computer I'm typing this out on, and the body I'm using to type it with.

but digital thinking is no use in figuring out the higher mysteries of life.

Digital, binary things are typically slaves. Slaves to cause and effect, slaves to consequence. Slaves to bigoted thinking.

People must see past the opposites to see the true source behind all things. Then they will realize that opposites are equal.

I like analogue things just because I know that I can't fully control them, and their possibilities are endless!

Why would I want a friend to be digital? I don't need anymore slaves!


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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5670016 - 05/24/06 07:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

so,
so,
that is exactly the same as if-then
if -so
anyway we are not quantum computers we are associative recognizers capable of script tracking.

so, as you were
relax


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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5670022 - 05/24/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

you are wrong

free your mind


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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5670031 - 05/24/06 07:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ha
accepted
with the rest
quantum could never take it
see,
ha!
prolly not


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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5670049 - 05/24/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

whatever helps you sleep at night, dear


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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5670077 - 05/24/06 08:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Actually, your mind is based on the release and uptake of neurotransmitters which is based on molecular interactions driven by entropy with a degree of "randomness" and can be affected by a plethora of forces such as electromagnetism and even possibly the gravitational exertion of the moon as it comes around in orbit.


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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: Catalysis]
    #5670090 - 05/24/06 08:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Human thought is not binary. It's emotional.

Newton's universe, the one we happen to live in and understand, is pretty much this or that.


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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: Catalysis]
    #5670140 - 05/24/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Catalysis said:
Actually, your mind is based on the release and uptake of neurotransmitters which is based on molecular interactions driven by entropy with a degree of "randomness" and can be affected by a plethora of forces such as electromagnetism and even possibly the gravitational exertion of the moon as it comes around in orbit.




there's a little more to it than that.

just a little, but a very important little!


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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5671657 - 05/25/06 05:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

and what little is that ?

the quantum tubules : P


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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5671761 - 05/25/06 07:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Digital can emulate analog accurately, whereas analog cannot emulate digital. But, what does this have to do with anything? *shrug*

Computers are purely rational machines. So, are you saying do not be rational? And if so, what is that supposed to mean? Spit out meaningless jargon which you pretend to live by? If so, I would say most humans do live irrationally, and that rationality is the line crossed towards true spirituality. Illusions of grandeur all over the place.


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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: psyka]
    #5673347 - 05/25/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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psyka said:
Digital can emulate analog accurately, whereas analog cannot emulate digital. But, what does this have to do with anything? *shrug*




Actually thats false, digital can approximate analog. Digital is Analog, its just how you interpret the signal. 3-5 volts pk to pk is a 1, 0-2 is a 0. Its all just analog however.

And I doubt quantum effects even enter into the brain, neruons are just far too big. There are potential differences in the brain, and that is what triggers neurons, but quantum effects controlling the brain dont seem very likely. Also quantum computers are probabilistic, and they need binary computers to feed them data usually. The QC part is usually just one stage of an algorithm.


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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: fresh313]
    #5673405 - 05/25/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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fresh313 said:
and what little is that ?

the quantum tubules : P




the Spirit within us all


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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5674029 - 05/25/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

According to quantum principles, the universe is not digital, it is analoque.

QM says nothing of the sort, and in fact it is founded on the idea of discrete energy packets - digital.

All energy comes as individual and indivisible packets of energy, like photons of light. Even the properties of the individual packets have a digital nature. Electrons can only have 1/2 spin, not 1/3 or 0.635 or even 1...just 1/2.

That seems like the makings of a digital universe to me.


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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: trendal]
    #5674066 - 05/25/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"Analogue" doesn't really exist - it's just how large masses of digital bits appear to us (we ourselves being large masses of bits). It's a matter of precision.

The glass on my monitor appears to be a smooth, solid mass of glass, but I know that if I were to view it on a microscopic scale it would consist of individual bits of matter - not a truly consistent whole.


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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: trendal]
    #5674263 - 05/25/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

you're thinking in dangerous ways, my friend

yes, the universe is many things

but truly, it is only ONE thing

Its a wave


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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5674339 - 05/25/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

DoctorJ said:
you're thinking in dangerous ways, my friend



Says the Shroomery's own whacky street preacher.


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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: Silversoul]
    #5674366 - 05/25/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The wackyest DJ on earth and the seven heavens.  :hitlerdance: :blindfury: :pinkelephant: :monkeydance: :gethigh: :lecture: :courtjester: :kott: :dopefish: :blackeye: :twitchy: :yakko: :voila:


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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5674413 - 05/25/06 07:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Care to explain just what is dangerous about my thinking?

Or are you satisfied with the vague rhetoric?


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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: trendal]
    #5674618 - 05/25/06 08:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

if you don't believe in God, a soul, or salvation, it doesn't mean they don't exist. It just means they don't exist to you

Its in your best interest to convince yourself that there is more to life that can be known with logic. There is a God, and he loves you and has faith in you, even if you don't have faith in him.

You're a cool guy trendal, and I'm sure you'll do just fine no matter where you apply your tremendous intelligence. But you should remember that you are connected to God.

No, I was not satisfied with vague rhetoric, until I proved to myself that God exists, and is a very benevolent force.

Now, vague rhetoric makes me smile.


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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: TheCow]
    #5676093 - 05/26/06 06:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Careful, trendal. Don't void out the message in this post unless you're ready to deal with the dire consequences.  :suicidebomber:


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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5676100 - 05/26/06 06:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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if you don't believe in God, a soul, or salvation, it doesn't mean they don't exist.  It just means they don't exist to you




No, if you don't believe in God, a soul, or salvation, it simply means that you do not believe in God, a soul, or salvation - it doesn't mean that you believe that they don't exist. Discern the subtle difference? :smirk:

Similarily, if you were to believe that God, a soul, or salvation do not exist, it doesn't actually mean that they do not exist; however, it also does not mean that they do exist.

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Its in your best interest to convince yourself that there is more to life that can be known with logic.




There isn't one person that is going to deny that there is more aspects of the universe than what we will be capable of knowing with logic. However, these individuals tend to not simply act as though they do know these aspects of the universe without logic, because it doesn't make sense.

"I can't know with logic or any rational means if God exists or not, so I simply assume that he does, because I can't know him with logic.". How illogical. :lol: It doesn't make sense, and the fact that something cannot be known with logic doesn't mean that is should be assumed that it is an aspect of our reality.

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There is a God, and he loves you and has faith in you, even if you don't have faith in him. 




How do you know this? Exactly, shut the fuck up, you don't. :grin:

Seriously, though, there is absolutely no basis upon which to position such a belief, and you've admitted this yourself.

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But you should remember that you are connected to God.




He shouldn't remember anything that he has no means by which to know. It is not for us to delusion ourselves.

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No, I was not satisfied with vague rhetoric, until I proved to myself that God exists, and is a very benevolent force.




Exactly, vauge rhetoric has no substance and does not represent any aspect of reality. It only has "meaning" to those who already assume some illogical belief is true.

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Now, vague rhetoric makes me smile.




You must grin like the chesire cat when you post. :lol:

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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5676114 - 05/26/06 07:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."
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"... thought Alice, and she went on. "Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?"
"That depends a good deal on where you want to get to," said the Cat.
"I don't much care where –" said Alice.
"Then it doesn't matter which way you go," said the Cat.
"– so long as I get somewhere," Alice added as an explanation.
"Oh, you're sure to do that," said the Cat, "if you only walk long enough."

Hahahaa, oh god, I could laugh for days.


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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: psyka]
    #5676130 - 05/26/06 07:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Whoa, cool. :thumbup:

My subconscious apparently had more influence on that statement than my conscious mind did. :shocked:

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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5676160 - 05/26/06 07:32 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i remember wilson saying something about the mind could be mapped as a computer but shouldn't be mistaken as one. or something. as mind is always changing, i don't understand how one could call mind anything but everything and nothing. and the goodness inbetween. ies.


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Re: Quantum Thinking [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5677616 - 05/26/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

DoctorJ said:
if you don't believe in God, a soul, or salvation, it doesn't mean they don't exist. It just means they don't exist to you

Its in your best interest to convince yourself that there is more to life that can be known with logic. There is a God, and he loves you and has faith in you, even if you don't have faith in him.

You're a cool guy trendal, and I'm sure you'll do just fine no matter where you apply your tremendous intelligence. But you should remember that you are connected to God.

No, I was not satisfied with vague rhetoric, until I proved to myself that God exists, and is a very benevolent force.

Now, vague rhetoric makes me smile.




None of that explained why my thinking is "dangerous".

Also note that I didn't say anything about God, I was only addressing your points on Quantum Mechanics and the notion of "analogue".


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