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1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT
    #566929 - 03/01/02 01:15 PM (22 years, 1 day ago)

We tried the Mazatapecs a couple weekends ago. It was fun with a lot of laughing - all over body buzz, no visual disturbances. Dose was 3 grams dried. I'm a novice, so someone tell me if my dose is low.

5 bags of Ecuadoreans. Put syringe in on 1/28. Today, 3/1, harvested the first bag. All 5 had mycelium, but all grew differently. 4 have mushrooms, 1 has just mycelium. Re-taped first bag for additional flushes.

Bag 1 report: 147 grams wet weight. Here are the photos.





:-)

Tappuck

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #566961 - 03/01/02 02:07 PM (22 years, 1 day ago)

Kick ass! Your gardening skills seem to be working for you.

This is the batch that had one bag out of 5 with a small amount of mold in it. How did that turn out, is it possilby the nonfruiting one?

Also an update on the Maz bags would be cool too, how many flushes, etc.

Its up to you, but you might consider harvesting a bit earlier before they open up and get all sporey for a better quality product. Keep up the good work and post often.

3 dry grams is pretty standard, but cubensis potency can vary a lot and so can personal tolerances.

Any plans to move beyond the myco-bag experience? You don't want to be a newbie forever, do you?


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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: Workman]
    #567068 - 03/01/02 04:16 PM (22 years, 1 day ago)

Workman,

You're the best. I'm always hoping you'll reply to my posts!

I had read to wait until the bottom of the mushroom's veil opened before harvesting. What determines quality?

Yes, the one that had green early on is the only one that's not fruiting.

I only had one Mazatapec bag and it did have a second flush, but I was over-crowded with the Edcuadoreans so I harvested the second flush and then threw it away. I think it would have done another flush without difficulty, but I had no more space.

And yes, that was going to be my next post. Where do I move from here. What should I read. I'm thinking of doing some kind of home-made terrarium so I have more space to grow larger single batches, so to speak. I have access to vermiculite which was very hard to find - perhaps I'm not looking in the right places. Going to go with a grain based growing medium. From what I've read, that seems to produce the strongest mushrooms, but I'll experiment too. I'll be getting busy with the outdoor garden too - crocuses and tulips are blooming now and i have a few little Somniferum seedlings coming up as well. I harvested raw opium last year. ;-) Gardening can be a lot of fun and very rewarding.

Tappuck

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #567177 - 03/01/02 06:30 PM (22 years, 1 day ago)

Workman, I would start touting these bags as the perfect growing alternative for those that have-- little space, no time, live in a dorm or with others, and also newbies. Not just newbies would find these bags extremely accomodating.

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Bag2 and Bag3 [Re: tappuck]
    #567984 - 03/02/02 06:52 PM (22 years, 2 hours ago)

I harvested bag 2 today. Another 147 grams wet weight.





And Bag 3 had 7 mushrooms that were ready and 7 baby mushrooms, so I left them in there to grow some more. I took out 92 grams wet weight.





Everything's under a fan drying.

Tappuck

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Re: Bag2 and Bag3 [Re: tappuck]
    #568042 - 03/02/02 08:58 PM (22 years, 47 minutes ago)

Tapp: Man thouses look soo damn good what... Tek did you use ? Yea keep us updated I would like to know the overall Fruit weight ......

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #568056 - 03/02/02 09:08 PM (22 years, 37 minutes ago)

Three grams dried and no visuals? WTF?

Leaf

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: ]
    #568227 - 03/03/02 01:22 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Wow! Nice shrooms there, buddy! How many days past maturity did you let those shrooms go? Those look pretty damned fat, did you add something to the original substrate?

As far as the 3g thing, one time I ate an eighth and to me it wasn't that visual. Probably cuz I was tokin out of my bubbler the whole time but ohh well...

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #568373 - 03/03/02 06:28 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

I am about to attempt the fruiting of some equadorians "in the bag" for the first time, I hope my results are as lucrative as yours.


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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT *DELETED* [Re: tappuck]
    #568630 - 03/03/02 01:14 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: toolshroomer]
    #568653 - 03/03/02 01:36 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: ralphster44]
    #568776 - 03/03/02 03:49 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Ralph,

I'm not as experienced as you are, so have some patience. What is an FSR? The myco bags were good for me because, 1. I'm a novice and this is only the second time I've grown mushrooms. The bags have worked well, so while I get some experience growing, I also have some success too. 2. Money. I'm rich. I have a million dollars in the bank. I'm a 30 something who worked hard and am only now just starting to play. I don't care if it's two dollars or twenty dollars. I was investing in a good experience - not looking for the cheapest way out. Like Workman says above - my next step is to start looking outside the bag ;-). Now that I know what a successful growing cycle looks like, I feel better equipped to work via prepparing my own medium and using a larger, self-made environment. A mere tupperware container full of green mold is no fun. I'm building on some successful steps, so please don't thread-crap.

So, just what is it you're trying to sell me? I'm probably interested.

Tappuck

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: MikeD]
    #568780 - 03/03/02 03:52 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

MikeD,

I try to harvest as soon as most of the mushrooms cap veils have torn off, but I know if I see the dark spores have dropped that I need to harvest right away. i don't know exactly what maturity is, but I hope that still answers your questions.

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: ]
    #568797 - 03/03/02 04:02 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Leafblower,

Can you tell me what your visuals are like? I get very vivid colors and contrasts, but nothing I would call real visual disturbances. Another in my party was staring at some flower photographs she reported were breathing at her.

Thanks,

Tappuck

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #568841 - 03/03/02 04:53 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Pay no attention to ralphster, he tends to drink on the weekends. I wonder where those $100 bags are, they must be really good, hehe.

For your next step you should probably try the PFtek or you might want to first attempt to case one of the bags after its 2nd flush. Invest in a pressure cooker if you don't have one. You can email me for some handholding if you think you need it.


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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: Workman]
    #568928 - 03/03/02 06:27 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Workman,

I'm going to drop you an email. I need specific pointers and getting a nice pressure cooker is a no-brainer for me.

Thanks,

Tappuck

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #569064 - 03/03/02 09:49 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Tappuck

Yeah, shoot. 3g of moderate strength give me pinwheels, patterns, moving textures and even friggen rainbows, etc. etc.

Maybe I'm just a lightweight, but I have a visual blast.

Leaf

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: ]
    #569075 - 03/03/02 09:58 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Hey Leaf,

My wife pointed out that we get those too when we closed our eyes. Do you get what you describe with your eyes open or closed?

Thanks!

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: Anonymous]
    #569193 - 03/04/02 12:38 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Mycotek,

Thanks for the info. I weigh 165, so pretty close anyway. I'm going to try 5 grams next time. I also clicked on your name to see your profile and got to your web site!! Hey, that looks like a neat little system. You may see an order from me shortly! ;-)

Thanks again,

Tappuck

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: ralphster44]
    #569234 - 03/04/02 01:27 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

When 'vendors try to fool people' ???

Ralph you have the right to your opinion, but these bags aren't $100 dollars, more like $10. Some people want a simple way to grow, maybe first timers, I don't know.

What is wrong with people offering these things, are you afraid of choice, competition? Sporeworks are good people, they are not decieving anyone with these bags, nor have I heard anyone complain about the cost of these.

People buy TV dinners, yes they cost more but thats because of the convenience of it. You can argue people that buy those are dumb, that instead they could buy the ingredients and cook the same meal for much cheaper.

Some people buy for convenience, some people buy for value, some people just want to try neat things... I mean whatever bothers you about these bags is your own right, but to say the vendors are decieving and that these are rip-offs is out of line my friend....

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: Thor]
    #569300 - 03/04/02 03:59 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

OoooOOOooOOooOOooooooooo....

Ralph you got moded by the big man himself.

And Tappuck....I know why you dont see visuals.

Visuals are for those people that have that "American Dream" which is to be rich. It seems you already made that dream come true. Hehe. NO WONDER WHY YOU LAUGHED A LOT ON YOUR TRIP! Just playin...

You filthy rich bastard !



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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #569303 - 03/04/02 04:07 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Wow, just leave'em in the closed bag. Was I gone *that* long. Looks like it works pretty good, but those aren't the most asthetically pleasing shrooms I've ever seen. Not saying that is the most important thing, though..

Question.. Wouldn't you be better off casing it after the first harvest? Does the tape thing actually work?


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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: ralphster44]
    #569324 - 03/04/02 04:51 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Ralph how did your bags turn out? You know the ones you told Ryche and Workman you was gonna buy about 5 weeks ago. LOL.. damn dude you certainly made a ass of yourself on this post didnt ya?


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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #569415 - 03/04/02 08:33 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Tappuck

I see that stuff with my eyes open, bud! Maybe I just took too much acid as a kid or something? Then again you and your wife might be some of those unfortunate people who have a high tolerance to the stuff. Are you actually weighing out your doses? If you decide to take five grams, take Mycotek?s advice and make sure you are in a nice private place and take your phone off the hook, lol. You never know what type of dumb stuff you might say if someone calls and you dare to pick up the phone! Like I said, I?m good with three grams dried. Fasten your seatbelt with five.

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: Thor]
    #569460 - 03/04/02 09:37 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: ralphster44]
    #569483 - 03/04/02 09:55 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Ralphster I m not trying to be a Ass either this time I promise, but Workman has answered this question many many times. The bags are good for people who dont know shit about growing shrooms but want to grow some anyway or at least thats my experience. Theres alot more people failing with other teks as newbies than with the bags. The bags are great to get some fruits from why we are learning other methods. Workman has stated many times that if a person is already into advanced cultivation then the bags probably arent for them. The bags are for ease and convienience and yes in my case the stealthness helps due to my family sharing my home. This guy produced what? 148 grams wet from one 15 dollar bag ..not to shabby if you ask me.


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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: ralphster44]
    #569518 - 03/04/02 10:40 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Ralph,

Just read the thread completely. I posted my reasons for using bags as I learned about growing mushrooms. I realize any sensible person will be able to tell who is being reasonable in this thread.

Thanks,

Tappuck

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #569523 - 03/04/02 10:48 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

tappuck i ve fought this battle already. Ralphster isnt a bag guy but I warn you he has alot of puppets and he can and will be a prick LOL.. outside that just ignore Ralph he's harmless...lol


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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #569527 - 03/04/02 10:54 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: ralphster44]
    #569531 - 03/04/02 11:02 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Calm down Rolph...LOL hahahahhaa
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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: egghead]
    #569579 - 03/04/02 12:07 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Egghead,

I got the advice to tape the bag closed for a second flush here on the forum. It worked with my the first bag of Mazatapecs that I did. I got a second flush of about 3 more mushrooms. My post on this bag, my frist ever, is here:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum2&Number=535257

I will report back in this thread how the taping and additional flushes go.

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: ]
    #569582 - 03/04/02 12:13 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Leaf,

Yes, we are carefully grinding and weighing out doses. There are 5 of us in our little mushroom eating group and only one had slight open-eyed visuals. We all took 3 grams each. I think I'll probably increase by 1 gram next time...

Hey, question for all ofl of you. Can you build a tolerance? If so, how much time between should there be between eating events to make sure there is no tolerance.

Thanks everyone for all the great shared knowledge. I'll keep saying it - this is one of the most friendly and helpful groups of people I've ever met!

Tappuck

The bags are better because I could get started learning about growing mushrooms with no hassles. Buy bag, buy spores in syringe, poke hole in bag, keep in dark while the white stuff grows, open up to light, when mushroom cap veil tears, harvest. Success - now I'm motivated to try my hand at jars and other stuff. I'm encouraged from the start rather than discouraged.

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT *DELETED* [Re: Workman]
    #569603 - 03/04/02 12:39 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #569614 - 03/04/02 12:56 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

tappuck you seem to be a good dude.. fuck ralph dont let him get to ya... he's pissed because Workman and sporeworks are dominating here. Ralph would love to tell Workman to fuck off but he wont because he knows Workman has to much juice here so he fucks with the happy sporeworks customers and newbies.. I ve already been there and done that with Ralph. Ignore him and his puppets and you ll be cool. 99 percent of the people here will be helpful and encouraging.


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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: SouthernGent]
    #569624 - 03/04/02 01:13 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

This thread has degenerated into total bullshit and needs to be locked.

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: SouthernGent]
    #569625 - 03/04/02 01:15 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Hmmmm.

Well, I've reserved judgement on you, Southern"gent" until now, but you are either just out to stir the shite or a shill for Sporeworks. I like Sporeworks, and have ordered from them and been pleased (in progress) but it seems that all you do is parrot what others say regarding cultivation, praise Sporeworks (not necessarily a bad thing) and slam anyone whose opinion differs.

What are you?

Peas,


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*Tappuck* I just finished reading some of your stuff on poppies.com I may be PMing you for info...

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: ]
    #569630 - 03/04/02 01:17 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Amen Boxtop.

Odd how these threads seem to degenerate when "Gent" enters the fray?

Curious.


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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: sloluva]
    #569644 - 03/04/02 01:35 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

I m just a happy loyal customer slo nothing more. I own a business and trust me I know the importance of happy repeat customers. I dont know the guys at sporeworks personally nor do I have any kind of stake in the company or benefit at all. Matter of fact I bought 6 bags today from Dr Bluethumbs to run a comparison. If those bags do well I will report it. If you read all the past history you will see that Workman has answered all of the same questions or comments Ralph is posting right now over a month ago when I first came to this forum. I have nothing to gain here regardless. Looks like tappuck is now in the same boat I was a month ago is why I responded. If you dont like my posts or comments you surely dont have to read them.


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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: SouthernGent]
    #569649 - 03/04/02 01:38 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

It's not a question of me liking your posts or not, it's that your posts tend to be inflammatory. I (and most others) am/are here to learn, share ideas and have fun. By the same token, you could ignore Ralphster and not feed the flames.

My .02

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: sloluva]
    #569656 - 03/04/02 01:45 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Slo,

Sure, pm here or there. I grew Somniferums last year and harvested opium. I also wrote poppies.org's dried poppy head laudaunum faq. ;-) Another hobby of mine. In comparison, it's much easier to grow mushrooms than successful somniferums!

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: ralphster44]
    #569658 - 03/04/02 01:48 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Ralph, I believe the logic behind the bags is so that one can provide a n00b with a sterile substrate and a very high chance for success on his/her first try.


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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #569660 - 03/04/02 01:48 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

"In comparison, it's much easier to grow mushrooms than successful somniferums! "

Oh great... I'm screwed... lol.

I'll PM you soon, thanks and good luck!

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: Nighted]
    #569662 - 03/04/02 01:50 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Nighted - Exactly correct! At least in my case.

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: ralphster44]
    #569670 - 03/04/02 01:58 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

I will therefore keep my impression that bags are an unnecessary waste of money.



Beer is unnecessary and a waste of money :wink: yet I still buy it...

I don't think anyone is arguing they are better, especially not $$ wise. But I get emails all the time from people asking for EASY ways to grow mushrooms, these are people who think the PF tek is hard :laugh:

Listen Ralph, I just don't get you on this one, of course you think the bag is silly.. BUT what about newbies and people looking for no brainers on growing mushrooms.. Inject a bag, let it grow, no work..

Its another OPTION to growing, not a replacement, not better/worse, just different..

So many newbies look for kits, they want everything done for them, and many get suckered into buying expensive kits for $150 dollars or even more...

These bags are a great solution to those people especially, I've turned people away from expensive kits many times in emails, and now I suggest if they want something simple try these bags... I'm hoping that using these bags people see what fun this hobby is and want to get into it seriously.

I really don't think many people will only buy bags, yes to try them out, or to start out first with these, but man what person wouldn't want to really start growing once you see your first mushrooms grow :smile:

 

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: Thor]
    #569698 - 03/04/02 02:34 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Hey Thor,

That's me you describe. After success with the bags, I've now printed the PF Tek (I didn't even know what PF was) and am reading it to figure out how to do some of this stuff myself.

The bags were so much fun and I really impressed my shroom-mates too!

Upward and onward!

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #569716 - 03/04/02 02:53 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

I got a few PM's asking exactly what I did, so here it is. Ask me questions if any gaps need filling:

Okay, here's what I did exactly.

After injecting 2cc's in each bag and taping over the hole on 1/28, I put all
five bags back in the boxes that they were shipped to me in and taped closed
the box tops so it was dark. I have the boxes sitting on top of an
inexpensive heating pad that I got from KMart and have set to medium heat. I
don't even know what the temperature is. I checked in on them about once per
week. Once there was a good covering of the white mycelium growth, I'd say
about day 19, I opened the box. They are near a window but get no direct sun
light, just ambient, bright light. I also turned off the heating pad for 24
hours and then turned it back on at medium heat again. About 5 days later I
saw tiny mushrooms appearing and 5 days after that, I harvested the first bag
on 3/1. I harvested bag 2 and 3 on 3/2. Bag 4 needs another few days, but has
a half dozen well-formed and growing mushrooms, and
nothing but white mycelium in bag 5 still. Bag 3 already has about 4 more
small mushrooms coming.

One thing I did notice is that my bags are very very humid all the time. Also, I had meant to turn off the heat for just a few hours, but I forgot to turn it back on until the next day.

That's it.

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: ralphster44]
    #569729 - 03/04/02 03:13 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

ralph,
we buy the bags because:
a) they're easy. simple as that.
b) we don't use them for bulk production, just for my dog and his friends.
c) you don't have to PC, you don't have to case, you don't have to do anything. you inject, you store, you pick. it's really that simple.

so why do we use bags? because we want to. will i continue to pay 8 bucks for a bag? who knows? i'm not in this for the money, so the "bottom line" isn't there. we don't use much, so it's the perfect size. why do we use them? who cares? you don't want them, so what. don't degrade people who do.

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #569762 - 03/04/02 04:15 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Almost done drying, probably another 12 hours under the fan. I'm down from 384 grams wet weight to 57 grams dry. I'll bet I end up with around 52 from the first flushes of the first 3 bags.

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #569936 - 03/04/02 08:37 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Tappuck

Sounds like you have some pretty shitty shrooms. Hate to see what your weed is like.

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #569944 - 03/04/02 08:46 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Tappuck

Also, for the life of me, I can't understand why four other people would want to do shrooms with somebody as arrogant as you. Your wife, maybe. Cause she probably has to. But the rest of the group? What the fuck is up with that?

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: Thor]
    #570027 - 03/04/02 10:16 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks Thor, you have a perfect grasp of the concept that seems to periodically escape ralphster.

The myco-bag's simplity and high rate of success should attract people that would never otherwise even get started. Many of which will move on to purchase spores, growing supplies and perhaps even hydrapods as their interest and skills increase. Its a market building tool that should help all vendors and the OMC in the long run. I think everyone understands that the bags are not economical for long term growing.

I have made it my personal policy to never reply to ralphster directly on the bulletin boards or in any email or PM. I just can't stand the guy and I think it pisses him off to ignore him (at least I hope it does). It's a personal problem and I am seeking counseling.


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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: Anonymous]
    #570123 - 03/05/02 12:17 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks guys! Having a lot of fun with it. Just purchased some more supplies for the next step. I also have spores from THE I got recently as part of a promotion to help support the site. I'll give these a try with my new toys!

So, Mycotek and Workman, what are your favorite type of spores/mushrooms? I've tried Mazatapecs and have the Ecuadoreans above and the THE spores are C Tasmania.

Tappuck

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #570132 - 03/05/02 12:29 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

one reason you might not have gotten visuals from 3gs is because of your drying methods. try the equivalent of about 4 grams in fresh dosage and i can gurantee that you will be hallucinating and if im wrong then i promise you that i wont do a damn thing, lol, crazy flushes, i was thinking of trying a bag just for fun, seems like an easy way to grow mushrooms


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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: Anonymous]
    #570149 - 03/05/02 12:49 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Imo, the full dose is how they were intended to be taken and that is what is considerd a legal dose (5g/170lb).

Intended by whom? A legal dose? In what country are you speaking of? Is less or more an illegal dose in those countries?


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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #570242 - 03/05/02 03:48 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

I was reading through the post and it occured to me that the 3 dried grams Tappuck dosed probably were just as mature are those EQ's in the pics... Tappuck, the reason you want to pick them right when the veil breaks is because the mushroom stops producing the magic(psilocybin) when it begins sporulating... So if you grow it out past this point you're going to have a larger shroom, more wieght, with the same amount of magic in it.. So you're 3 grams dried, assuming you completely dried them, might have been a 1.5 or 2 gram dose of properly haversted shrooms... just a thought, feel free to tell me if I'm wrong guys :smile:

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: roykinn]
    #570376 - 03/05/02 09:03 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Roykin,

It's definitely possible and quite probably. All my mushrooms were harvested after the veil broke and usually within 24 hours of that. Some were harvested shortly after I noticed spores had dropped out and discolored what was below them (dark black almost). Again, this seemed to occur very quickly after the veil broke. I'd still say it was less than 48 hours.

Thanks!

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    #570430 - 03/05/02 10:33 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: ralphster44]
    #570434 - 03/05/02 10:39 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

LOL until next month huh Ralphster? Some guy will post some heavy duty myco bag flushes again and like last month and the month before you will ask the same dumb ass questions and once AGAIN you will restate how you just dont get it and how they suck and you ll fuck with some newbie til one of the community heavy weights pop up and jerk a knot in your ass again and once again you will bow out. At this point I like ya Ralph. You make me laugh and the world needs a laugh but your'e like a mushroom grow cycle. You ll drop some more spores and next month you ll pop up with the same shit LOL


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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: ralphster44]
    #570525 - 03/05/02 12:30 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Ralph,

To answer your question, the substrate is not in a ball, at least my bags were not. It's not too tightly packed but packed just enough so that it's firm and stays together filling the bottom of the bag like a square brick, sort of.

Hope that description helps. When I'm done with the bags and throw them away, the substrate comes out whole, not loose.

I've ordered some new equipment and am reading the PF Tek so I can move on to my own ball jar casings. I'll post photos as I have successes.

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: ralphster44]
    #570653 - 03/05/02 03:31 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

... passionate might be another word.

I like the friendlier tone, I'll resume my shopping now...


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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: sloluva]
    #570750 - 03/05/02 05:48 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Ralph,

You can count on it. I'll be trying spore syringes from every vendor!!

If everyone wants a good laugh, go to the garden dept of your local Orchard Supply Hardware. I bought a bag of vermiculite but they only had one size. If you do, I promise, you'll have a good laugh.

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: Anonymous]
    #570763 - 03/05/02 06:01 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

They average about 1/2 oz dry over 3 flushes per bag


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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #570824 - 03/05/02 07:19 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

I opened bag 4 tonight. 4 mushrooms had torn veils. I harvested 35 grams wet. There are another 12 immature mushrooms in the bag. This bag is quite different than all the others in that all the mushrooms in it are at very different stages of development. I re-taped the bag. Bag 5 still has absolutely nothing growing yet.



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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: Anonymous]
    #570922 - 03/05/02 09:07 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Mycotek

I've never heard of the term "legal dose" either. As far as the law goes, there ain't no legal dose.

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    #571030 - 03/05/02 10:58 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: bluhoney]
    #571323 - 03/06/02 07:23 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

from what i can calculate based on reports here,
you're getting roughly 1 dry gram per dollar spent on these bags. not counting spores.
that's really not too bad, when you figure shrooms retail for $5-10 USD per gm.
and i can sympathize with workman,
i caught alot of the same kind of criticism when i began talking invitro PF tek last year, they were ugly, why would any one not case, etc.
but, different strokes for different folks.
sometimes i think those who love to cultivate lose sight of what people really want. most don't want to become master growers, they just want to munch some shrooms.
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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: Hippie3]
    #571325 - 03/06/02 07:26 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

I think you hit the nail on the head hippie. I got into it for only personal munch reasons but have found it gives such a satisfaction and so much fun that now my goals have changed. I also want to become a good cultivator. These bags give off the excitement and some success which leads to that. Next I m going to case.. It dont hurt as bad if you fuck up once you ve got some stash and some self confidence to keep trying.


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    #572272 - 03/07/02 05:47 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

sorry i haven't gotten back to you on that yet.
but with running a website message board, growing,
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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #572391 - 03/07/02 10:35 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Back to bag 3 - 3 out of the 4 shrooms I left in the bag at first flush were ready. Took out 37g wet.



Retaped. So far from just 4 of the 5 bags, I've pulled out 460grams wet. Bag 2 definitely has a second flush pinning and if I'm not mistaken, there's a pin in bag 5 - perhaps it just skipped the first flush altogether.

I ordered a Hydra-Pod to play with so expect pictures of my results with that sometime in the future.

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: Anonymous]
    #572464 - 03/07/02 12:08 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Weight of dry nutrient component of myco-bag is 140 grams. So biological efficiency is approximately 100% at the average 1/2 ounce dry recovery (14 grams).


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    #573202 - 03/08/02 03:46 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

LOL Mcman youre a trip. You are the master at the ageeing with a person and cutting them down at the same time. In my case you probably are right. I m just mentally challenged and have no self confidence and thats why I use the bags.
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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #573298 - 03/06/02 05:22 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

So let me get this straight. These are 'good' yields for mycobags? $15+spores. thats bare minimum $1/dry gram plus any other materials you needed to buy.

are these bags good for low-heat or what?

whats the advantage of mycobags?

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: cookiewhore]
    #573333 - 03/06/02 05:56 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Cookie,

Please read the thread. If you are a novice like me and want to have an encouraging start to this hobby, like I've had, the Myco bags are a good, no-brainer way to start. I'm really excited and interested now in this whole thing. It's not as hard as I imagined and now I'm off buying my own vermiculite, brown rice flower, ball jars, pressure cooker, etc. In the meantime, I have over 70 grams of dried mushrooms from 4 mycobags which will hold me over while I get my own set up going.

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #573916 - 03/09/02 12:36 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

17g wet more out of bag 4. Definitely a significant second flush coming in many of the bags.

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #574017 - 03/09/02 04:36 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

yea SG, dont take any offence from this post either but what mcman said really isnt an insult, maybe you just took it the wrong way. its true many newbies are just scared to try to grow shrooms because of all the wasted effort, anxiety on waiting just for the whole project to fail, and just thinking its too difficult, i mean you have to admit although the PF tek is pretty simple for most "newbies" it can be confusing with all the steps and even seem impossible to someone with not very much self-confidence or experience with doing something for theirselves. the myco bags are definitley not the way afoaf went in the beginning and if he was a newbie now he probabally wouldnt use them either (well maybe one bag just insure success in case everything else fails). But these bags are a DAMN good thing, i feel like most newbies should just jump in and attempt the PF tek because its really forgiving and very easy but for the people who cringe at the "massive complexity" :-) of the pf tek this is a great way to build some confidence and learn how our friends grow. Then they can move on to something else... i mean i would definitley laugh at someone who just constantly bought these bags over and over again for any other reason other than say a college dorm inhabitant (for reasons of stealth) which is understandable. oh and SG you are so right about failure not being so bad when you've at least tripped once or have a stash from some of your efforts... after that first trip the anxiety of WANTIN SHROOMS sure does ease up!

PS... i have a nice afterglow this beautiful morning and some thoughts have been running through my head... mcmann (myco) first of all i want to apologize to you for bashing you in roads Hydropod thread, sometimes i do things without thinking and your definitley a nice knowlegeable person... just please dont threaten anything about court or lawyers or stuff, i mean dont get me wrong after thinking about it I totally understand you wanting to protect your product from being ripped off by other vendors, and i did not read the thread where you said you dont mind if people who cant afford them make their own versions. I am sincerely sorry and hope you dont think of me as just another dickhead on here trying to stir up shit because i do not want to be that at all. I just wanna get along with everyone here because this is one great big for the most part friendly community and i dont want to be someone making it less friendly like some people do.


also i even would like to apoligize to captainmaxmushroom... man not tripping turns me into a dickhead!!! so there i admited it I have been an asshole lately and im very sorry... i just dont want any hard feelings from anyone and want to get along with everyone........ damn see and shrooms are illegal but look at what they caused me to realize and do tonight!!!!!

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: LSD_4me]
    #574115 - 03/09/02 09:13 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

hehehehh no problem LSD... my pins are about 3 inches long...LOL
tonight may be the night for me... if i m lucky i ll be on here in the morning apologizing to everyone and spreading peace and goodwill... thanks for your post though man.


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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: ralphster44]
    #574322 - 03/09/02 03:10 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

ralph, are you just a complete idiot? you ask the same questions and use the same arguments on EVERY mycobag thread, try to remember this

mycobags from sporeworks = 15$ each, or less if you buy more the one at a time

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: windex]
    #574368 - 03/09/02 04:07 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Hey, I think everyone has apologized to everyone, and Windex, read all of Ralph's posts. He got an answer to his main question in this thread and we're all getting along pretty good now! ;-)

This is a fantastic community with a lot of great and knowledgeable people.

I was at my local co-op today buying rye berries!

Tappuck

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #574407 - 03/09/02 05:03 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

tappuck ever thought of casing the colonized substrate from the bags??

i remember a post a while back from someone saying they just broke up a very used cake [they got something like 5-6 flushes off it] and chucking it on their compost or in their backyard ....something like tht stay with me here.... just to see what MAY happen and they came out a week later to find some VERY VERY nice fruits [they posted pics of the patch] growing so they had started their backyard towards become their ONE BIG fruiting chamber!!

so if you think so you may give this a shot or just case them?!?!

anyone else have thought on this??


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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: CheshirePhat]
    #574418 - 03/09/02 05:11 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, instead of just throwing them away, I'm going to put them in with some of the worm castings from my wife's worm compost bin! I'll let you know if anything happens.

Tappuck

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Re: 1 Myco + Ecuadorean = 147g wet - REPORT [Re: tappuck]
    #581619 - 03/17/02 06:35 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

For those follwoing this thread, I've made a final report here:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum2&Number=581616

Thanks,

Tappuck


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