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GSxx83
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Govt. was to use LSD as a "Truth Serum"
#5668180 - 05/24/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Im in the middle of a really interesting book called "LSD - SPIRITUALITY - AND THE CREATIV MIND.
It is based on the research done in the 1950-60's, where 980 people were given LSD (ages ranging from 18-81). Pretty interesting stuff.
Obviously its safe to assume that the govt tossed that idea out the window, but it makes me think. Shrooms are more "mind-trippy" than LSD, and they tend to be more emotional(lets not forget to mention that they have many similar components), so the question is, can shrooms be used as a "truth serum"? Would a tripper admit something he would normally keep to himself? We know that the fungi pushes burried thoughts to the surface for the tripper to deal with...BUT...couldhe be forced to share his thoughts?
I would like to say no. But its definitly interesting.
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Re: Govt. was to use LSD as a "Truth Serum" [Re: GSxx83]
#5668213 - 05/24/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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here's my two cents... LSD, and any tripping, to an untripped mind, is a VERY exotic and strange place to be. and probably extrememly terrifying if you didn't know what you had been given, you're in a room full of govt suits all breathing down your neck for the "confidential data stored in his subcortex", and unable to move from that spot until you said something.
I'd think a high dose of mushrooms would be less usable like this, but jeeez, if those fuckers gave me 500 mics and started pulling the uncle sam shit, i'd be telling em almost anything to get out of that room.
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Re: Govt. was to use LSD as a "Truth Serum" [Re: GSxx83]
#5668395 - 05/24/06 11:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Many of the people tested were prisoners and drug addicts (who were offered heroin, for example, to participate in the 'study').
Look up the MK-ULTRA project (what we're speaking of). It's some fucked up shit.
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Re: Govt. was to use LSD as a "Truth Serum" [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5668613 - 05/24/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You should check out a book titled, Acid Dreams: Cia, LSd and the 60s Rebellion. Tells a lot on how the govt used LSD as a vapor to run tests in subways on people. If you're into all that govt conspiracy stuff, this book is for you. Gives a lot of good insight.
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Re: Govt. was to use LSD as a "Truth Serum" [Re: DoorsGirl]
#5668630 - 05/24/06 12:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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DoorsGirl said: Tells a lot on how the govt used LSD as a vapor to run tests in subways on people.
Wow.
Not good.
We also used BZ (which lasts for several days and produces insane psychosis) in Vietnam as a chemical warfare.
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Re: Govt. was to use LSD as a "Truth Serum" [Re: leery11]
#5669004 - 05/24/06 02:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What an unbelievably great country we live in...*sarcasm*
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GSxx83
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Re: Govt. was to use LSD as a "Truth Serum" [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5669020 - 05/24/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Koala Koolio said: Many of the people tested were prisoners and drug addicts (who were offered heroin, for example, to participate in the 'study').
Look up the MK-ULTRA project (what we're speaking of). It's some fucked up shit.
Thats not what i was reffering to in the original post. In this book, a scientist/psychologist found 930+ people of [free will] to test the substance. Different people from all walks of life, all ages. Definitly very interesting.
As for the "test" that you mentioned in your post. I dont doubt that at all. Its not what i was talking about, but damn im not surprised. After all, didnt the govt hire the man who INVENTED LSD?
(i see this thread going somewhere...its open for discussion, and if anyone wants to "jack" the thread and take it in a new direction, please do so. The threads here on shroomery.com seem to be very short lived).
-GS
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Koala Koolio
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Re: Govt. was to use LSD as a "Truth Serum" [Re: GSxx83]
#5669706 - 05/24/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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?Its not what i was talking about, but damn im not surprised. After all, didnt the govt hire the man who INVENTED LSD?"
Our government? I was talking about the US government. I really don't think we hired Hoffman at any point, did we?
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Re: Govt. was to use LSD as a "Truth Serum" [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5669896 - 05/24/06 07:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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LSD the ultimate weapon that never was
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Re: Govt. was to use LSD as a "Truth Serum" [Re: habitat0789]
#5670202 - 05/24/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wasnt aware that LSD was an invention of man but more of a discovery. A great discovery IMO and like all great discoveries is feared by man at first until, eventually, it is accepted and used as the tool that it is.
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GSxx83
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Re: Govt. was to use LSD as a "Truth Serum" [Re: Gratos]
#5673221 - 05/25/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I beleive the man who inventedit is STILL alive at age 94+
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GSxx83
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Re: Govt. was to use LSD as a "Truth Serum" [Re: Gratos]
#5673225 - 05/25/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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My book is a few years old, so i couldbe wrong (too busy at work to look it up at this moment)
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Koala Koolio
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Re: Govt. was to use LSD as a "Truth Serum" [Re: GSxx83]
#5673487 - 05/25/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Umm, he celebrated his 100th birthday this january, huge event, look into it.
Wish I could've gone.
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Re: Govt. was to use LSD as a "Truth Serum" [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5673840 - 05/25/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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yesir they did read the book ACID DREAMS it tells allllabout it they tried allkindz of diff drugs as a truth serium..
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Re: Govt. was to use LSD as a "Truth Serum" [Re: PsychdlcMes3]
#5674059 - 05/25/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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cia was very interested with LSD. they made it very popular (they sold and gave away TONS!) then made it illegal and almost* impossible to make (resulting in today's impure acid). timothy leary was advised by the CIA. they told him waht to do. leary is supposed to be some "revolutionary" lsd "christ" that everybody was afraid of. THE CIA MADE PPL AFRAID OF THE "THING" THAT IS THE BEST THING INT HE WORLD.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (pure LSD-25, which doesnt exist on the street remember!)
lsd was gonna happen, and cia made it happen so that it cant happen again, ya follow? its prob still used to come up with evil plans. imagine what is still secret
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Re: Govt. was to use LSD as a "Truth Serum" [Re: sleepy]
#5674067 - 05/25/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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NOW DRUGS LIKE METH AND OPIATES WHICH ARE BAD FOR U ARE EASY TO GET AND CHEAP AND POPULAR, AND THE WEED IS POISONED AND EXPENSIVE, AND LSD, WHICH MAKES YOU NOT WANT TO USE ANY DRUGS EVER AGAIN AND IMPROVES LIVES, IS NONEXISTANT. long live shrooms! shrooms
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