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Are your parents immigrants? Mine are.
    #5668151 - 05/24/06 10:39 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Both my parents came from Russia when it was still known as the U.S.S.R. They met here in America, and came here about five or seven years apart. Whereas my mother was one of few families to actually obtain permission from the Soviet government to leave the USSR and come to America by way of Italy, my father actually escaped the cold clutches of the iron curtain.

Though my father and I are often at odds, I'm always compelled to share his story with people, because really, it's a great one.

There is a book that was published after the fall of communism in Russia called The KGB's Most-Wanted, and it is made up of the final copies of the KGB's most-wanted lists. My father appears in there twice for anti-Soviet activities in his native Estonia. While in Russia he studied to be a doctor, and got that degree successfully, but knew all the while that he had to leave and get to America, the land of promise where the streets were paved with gold. There were some Russian peasants who actually believed this myth - that there were specks of gold you could pick up off the street. That is how closed off Soviet-era Russia was.

My father made a decision to leave, but because of his anti-Soviet activities (activist groups, protests, etc.) he knew they would never let him. So, he got a job as the ship's doctor on a merchant marine ship that had one route: From Russia to the Ivory Coast in Africa, and then back. The trip to the Ivory Coast was a long one.

Each day, my father spent hours working out while his shipmates drank vodka. Not to say he didn't partake in the vodka as well, but usually while they could all be found carousing somewhere on the ship, my father was on the deck doing jumprope to build up the muscles in his leg, as well as running laps around the ship. See, he was preparing for something.

When they finally got to the Ivory Coast, the men on the ship were only allowed on land under the supervision of one of the head officers on the ship, and so they all descended into the port there to do some shopping, get some girls, get some drinks. By command, they all had to stay together.

My father pulled one of the oldest tricks in the books. He pointed in one direction, and told everyone that they should "look at that!" And when they did, he summond up all that he had been working towards with his exercises on the ship, and he turned tail and ran. He ran his heart out. He ran until he couldn't see them any more, dove into a cab, begged the cabbie to drive him to the American Embassy, and once there, they welcomed him with open arms.

The next day the CIA flew my father to America and set him up with a guy who helped him find work, and gave him a tiny sum of money to work with. From there and then, my father has taken advantage of capitalist America better than any other immigrant I've ever met. In Russia his family was rich, but he gave that up, and once here, went rags-to-riches all over again. THough, he never was quite in rags I suppose.

I dunno. I don't respect many my father's actions since the time of that amazing tale, but I'll always be inspired by the actions he took to improve his own life.


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5668159 - 05/24/06 10:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That's awesome!


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #5668230 - 05/24/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Nope my family has been here for fucking years. Hell my family has been here in this part of michigan for almost 200 years.


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: kilroy69]
    #5668251 - 05/24/06 11:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

My Moms side are relatively recent immigrants, my great Grandma came from Germany in the 30's, but I guess thats still a long long time ago.


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5668254 - 05/24/06 11:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

My great, great grandparents on my mom's side were immigrants. One came from Sweden. I forget why he came, but I think it had something to do with money. Another was from the Netherlands. He did it to dodge the draft. My dad's side of the family has been here since colonial times, and is a hodgepodge of English, German, Irish, and whatever other whiteys came over here during that time.


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: Silversoul]
    #5668268 - 05/24/06 11:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah they came in the mid 1800's from Europe of course


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5668277 - 05/24/06 11:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

my dads side of the family is cherokee indian. my moms side goes back to germany with my great-great grandparents i think.

cool story OMR, but my dad can kick your dads ass any day of the week.


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: PurpleKush]
    #5668391 - 05/24/06 11:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

dude, that kicks ass!


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: ZippoZ]
    #5668464 - 05/24/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Dude you should pitch that to Universal Studios.

sick story...


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: PurpleKush]
    #5668487 - 05/24/06 12:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yeah im mostly indian too so ive been here the whole time fuckers


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: Dobie]
    #5668507 - 05/24/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i wish i could participate in some rituals with a tribe or something, i just have no idea where to begin to look.


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5668533 - 05/24/06 12:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

My grandparents came from Italy on a ship.. they landed in NY, my last name is engraved on that wall. I sketched it with a pencil when I was on a field trip to NY. We saw the statue of liberty, etc.
My dad is 100% Italian, my mom is part Native American, half English, part Scottish. Makes for a wild mix. :crazy2:


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: Dobie]
    #5668545 - 05/24/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

great story OMR, my great grandparents on my moms side left Ireland due to the potato famine. and my grandma on my dads side left Germany due to the rise of Hitler. But my grandpa on my dads side, they came here on the Mayflower, and one of them ended up being the first governer of Connecticut. So I'm a full American mutt, who knows what side of that family has been hittin. All I know is that I'm German/Irish/British


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: eris]
    #5668550 - 05/24/06 12:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

My parents arent, but I am. I was born in Paris, although I only lived there for a year before moving to New York City.


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5668659 - 05/24/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

so does your father work for the CIA still?

lolzz

do you?

how many shroomers a month do you have to turn in?

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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: Roadkill]
    #5668661 - 05/24/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:lipsrsealed:


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5668686 - 05/24/06 12:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm just teasin ya bro!~

relax...

it's a great story!~


I heard a simular one about a Greek...who jumped ship.

it wasn't as exciting as your father's story!~



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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: Roadkill]
    #5668724 - 05/24/06 12:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I wasn't angry, that's the sealedlips smiley, as if to say...I'm not telling! :tongue:


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5668742 - 05/24/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

oic

I thought that was the sour faced smiley...

my mistake!~

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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5668743 - 05/24/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yeah did your father have any trouble shaking off the guys after him or did he get away so quick there really wasnt any drama?


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: InTheFlesh714]
    #5668750 - 05/24/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

For a while he would fall asleep under the window clutching a baseball bat cause he thought the reds were coming after him...but they didn't really give him any trouble.

Unless you mean right when he first ran away...they simply couldn't keep up with him because he was in better shape.


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5668756 - 05/24/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No. Just this past year, my aunt went about as far as she could with our American geneology, and my German relatives came here in the 1680's. It's pretty wild... she had to read all these old ship manifests written in archaic German and shit. I think she's actually planning a trip over there to meet our divergent relatives from more than 3 centuries ago.


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    #5668765 - 05/24/06 01:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I was asking about when he first got off the ship and ran. Did the officer go after him or did he just slip away in seconds?


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: InTheFlesh714]
    #5668768 - 05/24/06 01:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

They chased him but imagine, this is a crowded marketplace, and my dad had a good jump start. He knew what road to run towards and everything, he had a plan in his head.


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5668771 - 05/24/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thats an amazing story.

How was it that he originally came to be at odds with the soviet government?

Was it a moral/political thing?


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: domite]
    #5668772 - 05/24/06 01:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

He just grew up hating the communist system.  And he came from a rather well-off family, too, so it's not like he was one of the downtrodden workers.  But I guess the education his wealth afforded him got him thinking critically about the system.

He looooooves Ayn Rand. :smirk:


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5668786 - 05/24/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Haha, i thought The Fountainhead was pretty great actually.


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5668789 - 05/24/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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They chased him but imagine, this is a crowded marketplace, and my dad had a good jump start. He knew what road to run towards and everything, he had a plan in his head.




Thats exactly what I had pictured in my head, great story.


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: domite]
    #5668793 - 05/24/06 01:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Haha, i thought The Fountainhead was pretty great actually.




So did I, and while I don't completely agree with the objectivist philosophy set forth by Rand (sometimes it's simply *too* selfish), I definitely respect and understand it and see where she's coming from.

I just read Anthem the other day, and it really is amazing.


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5668799 - 05/24/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Is that the one she wrote where the only pronoun in the whole book is "we."?


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: domite]
    #5668801 - 05/24/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Until the protagonist rediscovers the lost word I, yeah.


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    #5668813 - 05/24/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That's a great story, OMR! Mad props to your pops! :thumbup:

My parents were 3rd generation Americans. My mom's family were all Scots-Irish ands my dad's family are all mostly Greek. Strange mix, huh? That's the nature of most family bloodlines in America, theses days. Anyway, thanks for sharing that little tidbit of your family's past.

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    #5668817 - 05/24/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Wow! What a cool story. Did you tell that story to Phred?


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    #5668825 - 05/24/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Somehow I knew that was gonna happen at the end.


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    #5668838 - 05/24/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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But my grandpa on my dads side, they came here on the Mayflower,




Are you saying that your father's father was alive almost 400 years ago? Incredible. My grandmother was born in 1921.


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5668955 - 05/24/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

First off, I'm a caucasian that was adopted by Japanese parents. My grandparents on both sides of the family moved to Canada shortly before the second world war, and had many children.
After the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour, the Canadian government (And American for that matter) rounded up all the Japanese they could find and put themin internment camps. It didn't matter if you were born in Canada or not...the fact that you were Japanese was enough reason to take ALL of your worldly posessions and ship you off to internment camps. Both of my parents were born in Canada and spoke perfect English, yet both sides of the family were required to forfeit everything they owned to the government and move to the mainland 'just in case' they were spies.

Many years laster, all Japanese Canadians were paid $40,000 each as compensation. Japanese Americans weren't as lucky.


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5669005 - 05/24/06 02:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yes. my parents are immigrants.


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5669252 - 05/24/06 03:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I just read Anthem the other day, and it really is amazing.




Me too like last Wednesday.

I was left with a "this is pretty cool but their needs to be more story too it" kinda feeling. It was good I guess I was just hoping for abit more.

I still have Atlas Shrugged just sitting around collecting dust. The sheer size frightens me.

As for the topic at hand my grandparents on my father's side both came from England and my great grandparents on my mother's side came from the now defunct Asserabia.


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    #5669344 - 05/24/06 04:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

both my parents were immigrants to the US during the 60s. it was during the "brain trade," parents graduated as engineers (chemical and electrical/mechanical) and were able to get working visas and land successful jobs to climb up the ladder quite quickly.

my mom came from a rather rich family so her reasons to move to the US was simply due to the fact that all her friends were doing it. as for my father...he stepped out of the plane with about 50 dollars to his name, worked his arse off and sent 90% of his money back home to educate his younger brothers and sisters. in due time he was able to buy a car (a ford torino) and told us of his experiences of chasing away these guys who syphoned out gasoline on the first night he owned his car.

my parents met in the US, through friends...my dad stalked my mom (literarly stalked) for a good 2 years until she agreed to go out with him. 1 year later they both went back home to get married, had my sister..then 8 years later had me.

my father has gone through a lot of hardships and i really admire him...there's more to the story than the shortened version i just wrote...a lot of family history full of drama on my father's side. i'm really proud of my parent's accomplishments and admire them for all their hard work.

note: so you're half estonian? kas te räägite eesti kelt? estonia is a very beautiful country..most ex soviet baltic states are...


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: boO]
    #5669740 - 05/24/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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note: so you're half estonian? kas te räägite eesti kelt? estonia is a very beautiful country..most ex soviet baltic states are...




Heh, I don't speak Estonian. or Russian for that matter.  I was the only one of three kids that really didn't soak up Russian culture...I'm pretty fucking American, and proud of it. :smile:


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: boO]
    #5669775 - 05/24/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Holy shit! So stalking actually works?

*takes notes*


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5669845 - 05/24/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

my parents are immigrants as well

and that was an amazing story OMR


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    #5672529 - 05/25/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Great story OMR, it reminds me of the stories my grandfather used to tell me.

My Mom's father immigrated to Canada from the Ukraine and met my grandmother here, I don't know alot about him or his immigration because he divorced my grandma before I was born.

My Dad immigrated here from Italy when he was 3, they like to say my uncle was born on the boat on the way over, but I don't think that true. My grandfather used to tell me that after the war there wasn't much left of Sicily, there were no jobs and the mafia was running people out of the country, he basically just said that because of the war it was no longer safe for him in Italy and so they came to Toronto by way of New York.

At my grandfathers funeral, there were people that had been on the boat with him there to pay their respect.

But thats as much as I know, my dad has never returned to Italy and my grandparents had only gone back once, its something that we don't talk much about.


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Re: Are your parents immigrants? Mine are. [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5674109 - 05/25/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Both my parents came from Russia when it was still known as the U.S.S.R.




My fathers family came from germany about 300 years ago, they're mentioned in a
book called Mandingo, spoken of as slave traders, during the civil war they ran cotton to the north.

My mothers side is native to this land


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