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Lots of mushrooms, lots of bugs.
    #5667532 - 05/24/06 02:42 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

HELP??

Sooo I've been scouting all the grassy areas lately and have had EXCELLENT success.  I have a few hundred little brown mushrooms.........  and then I am doing some searching and find some Psathyrella pics that look identical to Panaeolus AND they have a purple/black spore print???  Whaaaat should I do?  I imagined i was simply contending with foen. and subb. not an entirely different genus of possibilities!  Yikes man, any suggestions?  I spore printed a ton, but it appears that the flies found them before me  ::shudder:: there are little crawly things all over the paper.  :confused:  I have been stabbing them if they move, I soooo do not want these things in my room.

If you had not picked up, I am a bit frustrated.  I have bags of LBM's that look like the goods in my fridge.  I don't know why I added that.  I am pretty tired.

Oh yeah, and these spore prints are hard to tell seeing as some have already released most of their spores, so I cannot simply go through and seperate light/dark prints, how do I eye-ball for brown or black prints?  Don't tell me the seran wrap, that stuff will make a mess, it sticks together and ugh.  Magnifying glass??
a bug flew in my eye tday and it still hurts.

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Re: Lots of mushrooms, lots of bugs. [Re: CureCat]
    #5667596 - 05/24/06 03:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

stain blue?


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Re: Lots of mushrooms, lots of bugs. [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5667601 - 05/24/06 03:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

squeeze stem an see if it turns blue


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Re: Lots of mushrooms, lots of bugs. [Re: CureCat]
    #5667760 - 05/24/06 06:56 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Pan. subbs won't hardly bruise blue (I think that's what you're looking for). In this case, you won't be looking for a purple print at all. Lots of inactive lbms drop purple spores. Just lay the suspects out on a sheet of white paper (keep the stems accordingly so you don't loose what belongs where), and just scan for black prints. Must be black, not dark brown (foenescii).
You also need to do lots and lots of reading,  read this from the rules thread . Search this forum real good, and you will be more confident in your finds.
Are you in Cali? I thought you were in Texas. Texas= cubes and copes :wink:

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Re: Lots of mushrooms, lots of bugs. [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #5667791 - 05/24/06 07:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Another differentiating point is that Psathyrella has very snappable stems. Sometimes you can even hear them snap. Panaoleus stems are more likely to bend before breaking.


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Re: Lots of mushrooms, lots of bugs. [Re: xmush]
    #5667894 - 05/24/06 08:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I do indeed set the stems to one side of the cap while spore printing (the first time, i spore printed i hastily snapped all the stem and threw them in a pile and then was like "shit..." when about 1/3 had a diff spore print). I have read the forum rules, and try not to violate any, I will revisit it later today. As far as the black or purple prints, as I said, a lot are faded in colour and it is difficult to differentiate. (i can tell that fading is evident because a portion of one print may be darker than the rest of the print. So yeah, hard to eye ball it.
As for the stems, this leads me to believe I have infact collected a lot of psathyrella, but that is again, a fine line in my opinion. So there are no other conclusive differences??


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Re: Lots of mushrooms, lots of bugs. [Re: CureCat]
    #5667953 - 05/24/06 09:16 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well, obviously throw out everything that does not have a jet-black spore print. Pan subbs should be even blacker than the purple black of psathyrella. Of course your eyeballs might explode as you try to discern the difference. Besides the snappy stem, which indeed is a fine line, P. subbs generally have a thicker stem than similarly sized psaths and foes. Also, as far as I know, there aren't any tremendously poisonous Psathyrellas that would look like subbs. So a bioassay is always a possibility...


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Re: Lots of mushrooms, lots of bugs. [Re: CureCat]
    #5668441 - 05/24/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yep, what you see is what you get. It's not always easy, cut and dry to identify mushrooms. It is best to identify what you are after and learn as much as you can about them.
Also, I didn't mean you were violating any rules. There are lots of helpful links in there. Gumby, mj, shroomydan and a few others have put together some good informative pages :thumbup:

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Re: Lots of mushrooms, lots of bugs. [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #5669430 - 05/24/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Can you get us a picture of the side, top, stem, and gils?


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Re: Lots of mushrooms, lots of bugs. [Re: DaveTX]
    #5671509 - 05/25/06 03:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Man you dont waste time......was just looking at your other post.....must of slipped by me....they go by quik sometimes......quite motivated on the hunt I see......looks like you have alot of what you want to be finding.....some maybe promising......looks like all Pans to me and possibly a couple Pan foes but no Panaeolus are poisonous and some (though none have been found east of the Rockies) some Foes may even be active in Calif. or something very similiar and I think I may have stumbled onto one once but I ended up miles away on a peddling trek before it hit me and when I returned couple days later....lawn had been clipped down .......who knows....I like their taste.....there are several known active to weak to not active at times........sometimes almost impossible to distinguish from each other.... very similiar species which can occur in lawns together.........Panaeolus subbalteatus, possibly Panaeolina foenisecii, Panaeolina castaneifolius, and Panaeolus fimicola (ater) which can be very light colored at times......all of these may at times have a belt or band encircling the lower edge of the cap as they change color as they develop........ and several species never active as well which are common.......there definately needs to be some work done here on Panaeolus (as Im sure most places do) and am sure people like Guzman have been sent everything from here with dark colored spores for decades especially having so many active Psilocybe species and lookalikes

Psathyrellas which resemble Pans in an actual true lawn are practically nil although always be cautious and always assume the unexpected as a wood chips from a bordering landscape can always sneak its way into a lawn from wind, kids on bikes laying brodys and see how far you can fly the wood chips ( I woudnt know anything about that), blowers, thrown in. broke off tree twigs. and general landscaping maintenance, some lawns also having wood present just underneath or mixed in the dirt below (like Baeo lawns)......the senarios are many for wood possible in lawns and alls you need is that one good chip that gets worked down in for that one good cluster which appears to be growing right out of the lawn......Ive actually seen this with Galerina and (although it doesnt always NEED wood) also Pholiotina on a chip kicked in the lawn...... but spore color will distinguish these and is rare and usually short lived

sometimes something that helps me in the field is that Foes never seem to reach true BLACK color of the Gills at maturity like other Pans......

also both Subbs and Foes can have or be without stems that are longitudinally straited at times.....

and I can still remember the frustration and some of the mental state your experiencing (still do) when trying to fit these puzzles together (endless variables)

But this is how you build your Mushcles......alot of this muddling through will be a proper base for if you ever decide to graduate to eating the Cortinarius and the incredible choice Amanita species years later...... which is all about the variables and delineating combinations.....kind of like a puzzle with high stakes

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Re: Lots of mushrooms, lots of bugs. [Re: CureCat]
    #5673354 - 05/25/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Might want to familiarize yourself with the Psathyrella genus.
Once you get to know it, it stands out and is easily separated from other genera - especially Panaeolus.
The habitat, shape, size, fragile breaking of the stems and caps, spore print, hygrophanous drying nature of the cap, etc are all important features.
I have pictures of several Psathyrella species in my photo gallery.

If you have any doubts, a picture along with a solid description will probably be enough for people on here to know if a mushroom is a Psathyrella, Panaeolus or not.


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Re: Lots of mushrooms, lots of bugs. [Re: CureCat]
    #8506914 - 06/10/08 10:44 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

For help with the bugs, use a food dehydrator or heat lamps and you'll see them practically running from the mushrooms.


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Re: Lots of mushrooms, lots of bugs. [Re: alteredstates]
    #8506961 - 06/10/08 11:00 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

just curious to why you brought this old post up?


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Re: Lots of mushrooms, lots of bugs. [Re: fliped]
    #8511398 - 06/11/08 01:40 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Haha, resurrecting my old thread.  I forget about these. 

It's weird reading stuff from 2 yrs ago when I was just beginning!  The answers seem obvious now.

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a bug flew in my eye tday and it still hurts.



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Re: Lots of mushrooms, lots of bugs. [Re: CureCat]
    #8511587 - 06/11/08 02:24 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

i thought it was funny to see a post with some one telling you to read the rules....;)


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Re: Lots of mushrooms, lots of bugs. [Re: fliped]
    #8511669 - 06/11/08 02:53 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Yea and she still picks massive piles of foes.  The more things change the more they stay the same.

This thread will get even more ironic if she turns out to be some kind of world renowned Psathyrella expert.


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Re: Lots of mushrooms, lots of bugs. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8511746 - 06/11/08 03:16 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I've been controlling my urge to pick foes.  It was really hard to do at Evergreen, as all the lawns were teeming with some of the largest Foes I have ever seen.  I still ended up with a few handfuls.  Only found one non-bluing patch of Panaeolus amongst all of the Foes.  Not sure which species.

When I typed this I had never seen a Psathyrella of any species before.  They are not that common in San Diego.  They're cool little mushrooms.


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Re: Lots of mushrooms, lots of bugs. [Re: CureCat]
    #8512301 - 06/11/08 05:56 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

From noob to expert in 2 years, I like this thread :grin:
So, CC.. Are you in school for mycology?
I've thought about doing that alot recently but I'm not sure what the hell I'd do afterwards with the degree. For now I'll stick to learning from the Shroomery hehe.


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Re: Lots of mushrooms, lots of bugs. [Re: Deity208]
    #8512348 - 06/11/08 06:08 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Not currently studying mycology in school, but I am studying it AT a school.  I'm interning with a mycologist to test the waters and get some experience before deciding that I want to pursue Mycology.  I think I've pretty much decided that I do want to follow this path.


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Re: Lots of mushrooms, lots of bugs. [Re: CureCat]
    #8512458 - 06/11/08 06:37 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Hangin out with the local mycological society will learn you alot, too. :wink:


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