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Rev B.

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First attempt at casing
#5667452 - 05/24/06 01:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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After casing, instead of putting my trays back into my incubator, I put them directly into my fruiting chamber. It has been 5 days and I have noticed mycelium growing on top of my 60 / 40 vermiculite, coco coir casing layer. I am not impatient, but I am concerned about whether or not to patch the visible mycelium or to allow the mycelium to colonize the rest of the casing layer. One is 15% covered and the other is 35% covered.
The FC is between 70 - 75 degrees fahrenheit with 95% relative humidity.
Is it a waiting game? Or should I do something about the mycelium growth?
Any suggestions and help are appreciated.
-------------------- "... and it would be better for our country and the world in general, if at least the few people who were capable of thought stood for reason and the love of peace instead of heading wildly with a blind obsession for a new war." --Steppenwolf by Herman Hesse
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psillyrabit
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Re: First attempt at casing [Re: Drowse]
#5667524 - 05/24/06 02:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Patching allows the mycelium to colonize the casing layer evenly. Its more a matter of preference but most I see do patch. Its up to you. oh and u might want to lower your humidity a bit 95% is a little high for casings.
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Re: First attempt at casing [Re: psillyrabit]
#5667530 - 05/24/06 02:42 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, the problem is he's using coir, and in my experience, you dont want to patch with coir. Just wait it out. Coir has alot of nutrients, so you pretty much just added a new level of substrate. Make sure you provide alot of FAE with coir/verm casings, and just wait it out. I was a die hard coir/verm caser, till I tried peat/verm. It REALLY is a big difference.
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Rev B.

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Re: First attempt at casing [Re: FungusMan]
#5667537 - 05/24/06 02:46 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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FungusMan said: Well, the problem is he's using coir, and in my experience, you dont want to patch with coir. Just wait it out. Coir has alot of nutrients, so you pretty much just added a new level of substrate. Make sure you provide alot of FAE with coir/verm casings, and just wait it out. I was a die hard coir/verm caser, till I tried peat/verm. It REALLY is a big difference.
FAE = F________ Air Exchange?
It's my first attempt at casing and I really want to make sure things are going right, so that I can work with my method and find something that both my mushrooms and I enjoy.
Thank you for the help.
-------------------- "... and it would be better for our country and the world in general, if at least the few people who were capable of thought stood for reason and the love of peace instead of heading wildly with a blind obsession for a new war." --Steppenwolf by Herman Hesse
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Re: First attempt at casing [Re: Drowse]
#5667541 - 05/24/06 02:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Frequent Air Exchange No prob
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HippieChick
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Re: First attempt at casing [Re: Drowse]
#5667592 - 05/24/06 03:38 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Drowse said:
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FungusMan said: Well, the problem is he's using coir, and in my experience, you dont want to patch with coir. Just wait it out. Coir has alot of nutrients, so you pretty much just added a new level of substrate. Make sure you provide alot of FAE with coir/verm casings, and just wait it out. I was a die hard coir/verm caser, till I tried peat/verm. It REALLY is a big difference.
FAE = F________ Air Exchange?
It's my first attempt at casing and I really want to make sure things are going right, so that I can work with my method and find something that both my mushrooms and I enjoy.
Thank you for the help.
Then you need to change a couple things 
First , really , get rid of the coir . Most peeps are using it as a sub now , with good results , so it can't be any good as a casing material by definition .
The casing is not designed to provide nutrients to developing mushrooms and should have low nutritional value compared to the substrate . Well ,if you're using coir as your sub , pretty sure the coir in the casing layer has the same nutrients , not less .
A nutritive casing supports a broader range of competitor molds . Wood fragments and other undecomposed plant matter are prime sites for mold growth and should be carefully screened out . I sift all my peat . Twice . Once with a larger screen to get the big chunks out , them with a finer screen to get the rest . Takes a while , but it's worth it .
Go to a 50/50+ casing . 
Second . You really need to place it back in the incubator for a day or two .
Recent studies have demonstrated the importance of benefecial bacteria in the casing layer . High levels of bacteria such as Pseudomonas putida result in increased primordia formation , earlier fruiting and higher yields . During this casing colonization period these beneficial bacteria are stimulated by metabolic gases that build up in the substrate and diffuse through the casing layer . In fact , dense casing layers and deep casing layers generally yield more mushrooms because they slow diffusion . It is desirable therefore to build up CO2 and other gases prior to primordia formation . so cover it and put it back into incubation temps . If you put it right in the FC with FAE , which I believe is Fresh Air Exchange , not frequent , although you want it as frequent as you can get when fruiting IMO . As long as it doesn't effect my humidity in a bad way , I'm for all the FAE you can get . Fruits seem to love it , competitor molds don't 
I don't patch , I scratch .
I mean , when I see mycelium poking through , I don't patch it , I clean a fork with some alcohol and gently , rake a little from surrounding areas . The other areas aren't that far behind so I don't want to add any more casing at this point . if your layer is close to even depth , the rest should be no more then a day or two at the nost behind . That's the importance of an even casing layer depth .
Works for me . I usually get a pretty decent pin set


Good Luck
Peace,Love,Happiness and Harmony Hippie Chick 
Those are my thoughts on the matter , if not my words
Edited by HippieChick (05/24/06 03:58 AM)
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hyphae
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Re: First attempt at casing [Re: FungusMan]
#5667687 - 05/24/06 06:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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FungusMan said: Frequent Air Exchange No prob
Man was that a guess? LOL FAE= fresh air exchange bro
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy. Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is Gas Exchange vs. FAE "We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Re: First attempt at casing [Re: hyphae]
#5668608 - 05/24/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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hyphae said:
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FungusMan said: Frequent Air Exchange No prob
Man was that a guess? LOL FAE= fresh air exchange bro
Hey cut me some slack, I was going on 40 hours without sleep when I wrote that. At that point, fresh and frequent are the same,lol.
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Re: First attempt at casing [Re: FungusMan]
#5669557 - 05/24/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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FungusMan said:
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hyphae said:
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FungusMan said: Frequent Air Exchange No prob
Man was that a guess? LOL FAE= fresh air exchange bro
Hey cut me some slack, I was going on 40 hours without sleep when I wrote that. At that point, fresh and frequent are the same,lol.
No prob bro been there done that myself as well
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy. Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is Gas Exchange vs. FAE "We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Re: First attempt at casing [Re: HippieChick]
#5670965 - 05/25/06 12:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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HippieChick said:
Works for me . I usually get a pretty decent pin set


Good Luck
Peace,Love,Happiness and Harmony Hippie Chick 
Those are my thoughts on the matter , if not my words
I'm just going to do whatever you said, because the picture is exactly what I want. What strain is that, by the way?
Like I said, it is my first time with a casing, so I'm just trying to get things in their ideal elements right now. I'm going to give different casing mixtures a try and see which works best for me. Coir / Verm just happened to be first on the list.
How do people use coir as a substrate? Do they mix the coir with some sort of grain? I've been using organic whole wheat with great results.
I fan out my FC at least four times a day and mist once or twice a day, depending on how things are looking. No pins yet, but I'm still hoping.
I'm constructing a new FC with holes stuffed with polyfill and will be putting my second casing attempts in there.
Thanks again.
-------------------- "... and it would be better for our country and the world in general, if at least the few people who were capable of thought stood for reason and the love of peace instead of heading wildly with a blind obsession for a new war." --Steppenwolf by Herman Hesse
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Re: First attempt at casing [Re: hyphae]
#18238525 - 05/09/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's actually FILTERED air exchange. thank you,have a nice day.
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