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Trichocereus and HPS
    #5667406 - 05/24/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've got a Trichocereus Peruvianus cactus cutting that I recently rooted. It seems to be taking off fairly well. Only problem is I have nowhere outside to put it so it can get light (Apartment life).

Can I put it under my 400 HPS thats on a 12/12 cycle? This time cycle won't mess up the cactus' growth will it? I mean like trigger some hibernation stage or something?

Sorry I'm new to cactus growing in general.
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EDIT:: I got mine from bouncing bear. I'm hearing conflicting comments about the cactus being an actual Trichocereus Peruvianus, or the potency being low.
Does anyone know if the Trichocereus Peruvianus from BBB is legit? Where is a good place to get a guaranteed Peruvianus?

Thanks in advance :grin:


Edited by MrMaddHatter (05/24/06 01:23 AM)


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Re: Trichocereus and HPS [Re: MrMaddHatter]
    #5667429 - 05/24/06 01:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well, it grows much faster than peyote, that takes years...
It is legal in most countries, unlike peyote,


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Re: Trichocereus and HPS [Re: HorusTh3Chrous]
    #5667465 - 05/24/06 02:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Well, it grows much faster than peyote, that takes years...
It is legal in most countries, unlike peyote,



:wink: This much I know.


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Re: Trichocereus and HPS [Re: MrMaddHatter]
    #5667492 - 05/24/06 02:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

a cactus won't ever go dormant under the heat of a HPS light. I would keep it under the lights for 7-8 months per year, the rest in a cold and dry room.


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Re: Trichocereus and HPS [Re: faslimy]
    #5667557 - 05/24/06 02:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the reply!

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Re: Trichocereus and HPS [Re: MrMaddHatter]
    #5668136 - 05/24/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

so ok, would i be able to throw a cacti in a room that is 12/12 for 2 months and 18/6 for 1 month? and then after 7 -8 mos, keep it in the cold, dark room? but how much light, if any in this cold room?


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Re: Trichocereus and HPS [Re: MrMaddHatter]
    #5668868 - 05/24/06 01:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

unless you have to keep them 12/12 i would 24 hrs those beeotchs, they will go nutz. in fact i notice they grow faster inside and you eliminate insects, and even the weather from overwtering your cacti. if they are going to grow inside top them so they pup out giving a shorter stature and more braches. then when you move and can move them outside they will adapt quickly to there new environment. also i have less rot when rooting cuttings indoors.


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Re: Trichocereus and HPS [Re: durban_poison]
    #5669188 - 05/24/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:thumbup:

I pretty much have to keep it on 12/12 for other things :bigweed:

I was hoping that the light cycle wouldn't mess anything up like make it want to go dormant. I suppose the temperature determines that.

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top them so they pup out giving a shorter stature and more braches.



She's only about 1.5 foot tall. How tall does it have to be before I can top it and root the cutting?

EDIT:: Also, what do I cut it with? I don't think scissors or a kitchen knife will come close. A hacksaw? Maybe my Ka-bar will do it :tongue:


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Re: Trichocereus and HPS [Re: impgl]
    #5669476 - 05/24/06 05:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

if it is a trichocereus they don't need any light in a cool, dry place during 'winter'

never give a cactus 24 hour light, it will suffocate


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Re: Trichocereus and HPS [Re: faslimy]
    #5669841 - 05/24/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"Does anyone know if the Trichocereus Peruvianus from BBB is legit? Where is a good place to get a guaranteed Peruvianus?"

No, they're not. It's T. Cuzcoensis, I've made probably dozens of posts on the subject.

And no, there is no guranteed peruvianus, because there is no confirmed peruvianus itself. Macrogonus is one theory (the idea is that it is what is indeed used for the dry cactus shipped to the US, and the original 'peruvianus'.)

Any online seller with peruvianus likely is selling cuzcoensis. It's still a pretty cactus, but it's certainly not worth cutting down at any point. Hopefully you can learn much from it anyway. Pachanoi and Bridgesii would be safer bets, in the future. Though, as always the potency can vary greatly do to so many factors, you aren't guranteed the flop that you are with cuzcoensis.


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Re: Trichocereus and HPS [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5670737 - 05/24/06 10:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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No, they're not. It's T. Cuzcoensis, I've made probably dozens of posts on the subject.




Damn. Well that sucks. :sad:

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Koala Koolio said:
And no, there is no guranteed peruvianus, because there is no confirmed peruvianus itself. Macrogonus is one theory (the idea is that it is what is indeed used for the dry cactus shipped to the US, and the original 'peruvianus'.)




That sucks too.

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but it's certainly not worth cutting down at any point.




So this T. Cuzcoensis contains no mescaline whatsoever?

I guess I'll go with Pachanoi.

I'll keep this Cuzcoensis to study cactus growth :cool:.

Thanks for the help :thumbup:


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Re: Trichocereus and HPS [Re: MrMaddHatter]
    #5671155 - 05/25/06 12:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Virtually none for practical uses, some though.

A well respected extractor on another forum did a test with a lot of cuzcoensis.

Hmm... nevermind. I found out. It wasn't nearly as low as I thought. Another extraction was, but it is a different story.

"Final yeild from 110 grams KK242: 360 mg.", from a real pro. For most others, it'd be a bit less.

I've heard many stories of worse, but that one isn't too bad. There are pachanoi that are that weak. But, that matters little to the fellow's who've eaten 2 feet of cacti and not felt even a buzz. I'd still just keep them as ornaments most likely.

The results are about 1/3 to 1/5 of the potency of some of the peruvianus powder/chips being sold these days.


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Re: Trichocereus and HPS [Re: faslimy]
    #5672957 - 05/25/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i would have to disagree with the cactus sufficating under 24 hrs of light. i had mine under 1000 W HPS all winter under 24hrs light and mine greww twice as much as they had over the summer. i would like to see somebody show me the negative effects of this because my pachnoi, peruvianus, brivispinlosus, and pachycereus loved it.


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Re: Trichocereus and HPS [Re: durban_poison]
    #5673852 - 05/25/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting. You didn't let it go dormant at all for a year? I was under the impression you 'had' to let them go dormant a few months a year.

I'm still new to cacti growing. This is my first year, so I don't know much.


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Re: Trichocereus and HPS [Re: MrMaddHatter]
    #5673967 - 05/25/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

no dormancy, well i didnt know that was needed. mine didnt need it and are doing great outside now.


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Re: Trichocereus and HPS [Re: durban_poison]
    #5673972 - 05/25/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

if you keep it up i'd bet they will just all of a sudden rot out on you, you can't cheat the cycle. also I bet they are growing thin and weak with very low alkaloid production.


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Re: Trichocereus and HPS [Re: faslimy]
    #5674045 - 05/25/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

no they look great, in fact the first time i drank tea from them it was great. in retospect i wish i used the center and planted the tops because they would have grown faster then when i recently took another part of the mid section to make a couple more plants.there was i guess a 3 week-1mo. down period because of a move but they were still in a south facing sun room but it was cold. then they were moved to a lit area and did great. now they are outside, midsections(pupping also) waiting to root and the bottoms rooted sections are puping. well im just letting you guys know it worked great with mine. im no cacti profesonal but the 24 hrs of light worked great for me. the san pedros, t.peruvianus(probably cuzcoensis;as its from BBB), t.brivispinlosus and my pachycereus loved it. the pachycerus wouldnt grow under the 12hrs but liked the 24. i never see the pachycereus(3-4 years old) grow except during the summer however this winter was a first.


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Re: Trichocereus and HPS [Re: durban_poison]
    #5674094 - 05/25/06 06:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

well thats interesting, you actually harvested material that was grown solely under a light and it was good?

What is the width of these plants, I just can't imagine a pachycereus looking good with this kind of treatment. pics would be nice. I suppose you can get away with doing this to trichocereus plants but my goal is to grow them like nature, so that they flower every year and put on the maximum amount of growth.


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Re: Trichocereus and HPS [Re: faslimy]
    #5674201 - 05/25/06 06:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Some more questions ::
Whats the best soil mix to plant them in? Right now I'm using 50/50 potting soil/sand.

Also, how often should I fertilize or do I even need to?


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Re: Trichocereus and HPS [Re: faslimy]
    #5674207 - 05/25/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

no they are only under light during the winter i keep them all outside during the summer. they are have been out for the last month now. my pachy's didnt have the best environment when they were young so they have a semi narrow stem for the first 3-4 inchs then fat, thick growth for the next 6inchs. im thinking of grafting the skinnier of the 2. i will probably use a san pedro base. also it was labeled pachycereus pecten aboriginum from seed. my friend germinated them with a good sucess rate because he gave at least 20 of them away. they were a year old when i recieved them. they are now around 3 years in my posession. they seem to grow slow but they are picking up faster each year. oh yeah back to the labeling, i believe they are pachycereus pringleii not pecten aboriginum. i will get a cheap digital and post picks of my collection soon.


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Re: Trichocereus and HPS [Re: faslimy]
    #5674208 - 05/25/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yes i have not had a flower yet.


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Re: Trichocereus and HPS [Re: MrMaddHatter]
    #5675721 - 05/26/06 01:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)





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