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Zimed
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Aid Of Psychedelics
#5666558 - 05/23/06 09:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Alright, after readind the responses to my other posts, here is the final set concerning this matter, I Think.
Well, heres how it starts. I was born with Obcessive Compulsive Disorder, Social Anxiety Disorder, Anxiety Disorder, Derealization, Mild Depression, the works. Except Schizophrenia, or Autism. My life has been a living nightmare, and after going to a psychiatrist for so many years, and truly seeing what uncaring, unsmart, useless people are like, I have decided to take matters into finding the right medicine, or solution for me. Every medicine I have been put on, either has not had any effect on me, or made it worse, only once I can remember a drug helping me, and it quit after the first month. I have been on EVERY thing. Paxil, Neurontin, Effexor, Luvox, Zoloft, Klonopin, Prozac and many more, some I forget, there have been so many. Right now I am currently taking 1 SSRI (paxil) and Neurontin twice a day, and the effects are minimal if any at all. Personally, I would liek to see what I am really like, see what I would be without any medications. It's been about 5 years since I last took a break from my medicines, and man, was I fucked up. I wonder how I would be now though, since the mind constantly changes. I have probably been to at least 9 Phychiatrists, and 6 Psychologists. It's time for my actions.
I've been readint the responses, and it seems psychedelics in general (shrooms or LSD, likely shrooms) could help me. I've read about ego changes and, people using them for post traumatic events, but would psychadelics help me out in this area? My life sucks so bad, and I need something, if this is a possibility, than I am MORE than willing to try it, with open arms. It seems like, from what I've read, could help me, it might make me look at why I feel liek this, why I have problems, and be able to get rid of them on the trip, or maybe not...that's why I'm asking all you expert trippers.
Thanks in advance.
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stemmer
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Re: Aid Of Psychedelics [Re: Zimed]
#5666655 - 05/23/06 09:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Try no meds for a good while, weeks....(that might be very hard, I know)
Then try ayahuasca or mushrooms when you are fully off them. A person with an anxiety issue often shouldnt take psychedelics. LSD would not be too great for you. All those other drugs are self analytical and all, but lsd and lsa's take the cake. Dont take too much your first time when it comes to anything and mushrooms too,(2 grams tops). Then use it in a follow up session within one week as you see fit. I would recommend ayahuasca at a low dose two days in a row also. It can be very gentle, and it has some very effective ways of curing depression for good. This is well documented by many.
Even national geographic-----> http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0603/features/peru4.html
You just might tear your self apart and later, start anew. It can be intimidating at first. The come up is a bitch-and-a-half for many people out there. Many people who dont feel they need meds.
I wish you so much luck. No high doses though.
These things might help if used the right way. NO TV, no video games, and generally--->no music if you want to hear the message clearly.
By the way so many of those drugs change the experience. In the case of ayahuasca there are VERY serious reasons why you need to stay off the meds before taking it.
As far as healing goes, assimilate to the depressed being that you are. Then use the hallucinogens.
Edited by stemmer (05/23/06 09:50 PM)
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Re: Aid Of Psychedelics [Re: Zimed]
#5666893 - 05/23/06 11:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm just throwing this out there, because I know about it. It's typically reserved as a LAST resort for people who don't respond to conventional treatment for some psychological disorders, primarily (but not exclusively) depression. You sound bad, but at least you're able to type. I'm not recommending it, but I just want to make sure you know what options are available for really, really sick people. You probably do already.
It is ECT (Electro-Convulsive Therapy). It's also commonly referred to as "shock therapy"--though it is not nearly as dramatic as the common perception is. Basically, they put you under, administer a muscle relaxant to prevent convulsions, and zap your brain with a specific amount of electricity. Typically you have several sessions a week for a few weeks. Believe it or not, it's actually extremely safe and very effective. I think the main side effect that is possible is some amnesia surrounding the time frame of your treatment; I forget. I don't understand exactly how it works, but given the fact that neurotransmission is regulated by electric current, maybe it has some way of leveling off, or normalizing overactive and underactive parts of your brain. Maybe it acts a little like a magnet with regards to the flow neurotransmitters in your brain, de/polarizing those pesky nerve cells and giving you a cleaner slate(...??)
Like I said, this is used as a LAST resort for people so sick that they are unable to function in the most basic ways, and they are not responding to conventional drug and therapy treatment. I'm not sure why I even mentioned it. -probably just from an academic standpoint.
Edited by Land_Crab (05/23/06 11:07 PM)
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leery11
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Re: Aid Of Psychedelics [Re: Land_Crab]
#5667014 - 05/23/06 11:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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psychedelics can heal and destroy.
You must be careful in your jounreys and it would be best to have a very experienced guide with you.
Meditation may be much more what you need to do.
Sit down somewhere.
Inhale and exhale deeply, then let the breathing come naturally until it no longer makes any sound. Then when you exhale count slowly to 10 if you can make it.... or to 5 or 7 if you can't (or to anything but higher numbers are best)
when you inhale, just inhale. when you exhale count again.
do this for a very long period of time without caring what is on your mind, just counting. eyes open or close.
this is what nuns taught me at a Zen monastery, where I am currently taking weekly classes.
It will help greatly but takes time. I am not practicing what I preach (not practicing daily, ah why haven't I?) but I can attest that it will be tremendously helpful in easing afflictoin and suffering. That's the only point of Buddhism, to end suffering. That's what they meditate for.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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Re: Aid Of Psychedelics [Re: Land_Crab]
#5667091 - 05/23/06 11:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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im going to be very specific here. go off your meds in a controlled way. gradually get off them so you arent feeling withdrawl from whatever youre on. you don't want variables here. after a month of nothing i would reccomend a 1/8 of an oz dose of p. cubensis. now listen closely. worst case scenerio, it can worsen everything, a lot. if you are willing to risk it then go for it. while you trip go for a walk or sit quietly or something. no music no television no movies, etc. let the mushrooms do their thing, do not fight it. then accept what you may learn as a significant mental and cognitive change. then you my friend have transcended your anxiety and whatever other names doctors can put on it. if you want to try this, give it your 100%, your all or none. you dont want to be under after effects of medication, you dont want anything but the mushrooms affecting your natural brain chemistry.
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Re: Aid Of Psychedelics [Re: flamebolt]
#5667410 - 05/24/06 01:19 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wait some time for the meds to wear out as there are some contradictions with psilocybin/lsd and SSRI's MAOI's and so on.
As for making things worse - Unless you are schizophrenic or autistic, which you have stated you are not, I see no reason for your situation to get worse.
There are many antecdotal reports of temporarily curing OCD completely after a few sessions but you need to redose at least twice a week with small amounts for it to stay away.
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Zimed
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Wait, so it CAN help me...WOW. So, do psychedelics literally change your mental/brain chemistry? There are so many psychedelics out there...LSD, Shrooms, DMT, MDMA, MDA, and so on. How would these help me, in simple terms? Would theyt allow me to look past the disorders, or isolate them somewhere in my mind? Allow me to pick them apart until they were nothing? I now am thinking about trying them. But going off the meds might be hard. I'n not addicted, but without them, I'm not sure how I'll be. I'll probably be really fucked up, and feel miserable. What about MDMA?
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leery11
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Re: Aid Of Psychedelics [Re: Zimed]
#5668614 - 05/24/06 12:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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you are playing with something very dangerous given your mental problems.
you need to spend at least one a half months doing two things. 1. weaning off your medication and returning to normal. you have to do this if you want to trip and fix yourself. 2. constantly researching everything you can about psychedelic drugs, MEDITATING, balancing yourself out, exercising, thinking about your deepest darkest fears and trying to overcome them while sober.
I am tell you. You could destroy yourself from this. Your mind could be in such a complete wreck that you would be better off with all the disorders you have right now than you would be to mess with psychedelics in your state of mind.
You really can fry yourself out. You have no idea how deep it goes until there is no way out but through. Imagine that everything just disappeared in front of you while you were reading this post and you couldn't bring it back no matter what. Psychedelics can be that intense.
They do have tremendous benefits for pschotherapy, but the thing is they were used with counselors or qualified shamans so as to work you through all your issues. You are NOT qualified like they are to work through these issues on your own.
What I would do if I were completely set on trying this, is I would get around 5g of mushrooms. I would spend an entire month and a half weaning off my medications, exercising, meditating, having a good diet, creating good vibrations, staying away from bad things like TV and un-productive relationships....
then I would take only 1 gram. I have never done shrooms so I can't say what 1 gram is like , but it shouldn't be too overwhelming....
Then if it went well I would wait 2 days and consider taking 2 or 2 and a half grams MAX which should be a trip.
Then I would wait 2-3 weeks and see if you were ready to take the remaining 2.5-3 grams for a more profound experience.
My friend. You die through undergoing ego-loss (you don't physically die though) on these things if you take enough. I do not think you should be taking them alone. I do not think you should be taking them at all unless you know exactly what you are doing.
They can help you and they can destroy you and ruin your sanity if you are already off the handle. You may not understand how messed up you can get, but DXM practically GAVE me an anxiety disorder coupled with extreme paranoid delusions and an inability to stop thinking certain thoughts from abusing it from just one simple trip. I should not have used it, my mind wasn't stable enough. I payed a severe price.
And the recovery? Well I'm still recovering and it was well over a month ago.
I can only imagine how much worse off you can be. There is a hell. It exists on Earth in the minds of poor souls.... do you want to inhabit it ?
Psychedelics can fix you if you do them with a shaman or a skilled psychologist or a very experienced tripper. Or are just lucky.
But you'd better think long and hard about this.
Set and setting make and break a trip. Your mental setting is not good.
If you take them with the utmost respect and preparation, with a clear mind having gotten off your medicine. If you spend several days beforehand preparing, relaxing, meditating, going out in nature, exposing yourself to peace..... then you could quite probably handle it well.
But mental illness + hallucinagens is not a great recipe by any shot. Who's to say what will happen but you NEED to think about the consequences. You can't gobble up mushrooms like you would shots of alcohol.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
Edited by leery11 (05/24/06 09:13 PM)
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mecreateme
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Re: Aid Of Psychedelics [Re: leery11]
#5668707 - 05/24/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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My friend. You die on these things if you take enough.
Perhaps you should clarify what you mean instead of trying to scare this person.
You left off something important. I am sure you don't mean these drugs will physically kill you, but in a nut shell, that is exactly what you said.
And in your case Leery, I would lay off of all substances. Your posts have gotten long and erratic. Very rambly.
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Re: Aid Of Psychedelics [Re: Zimed]
#5669346 - 05/24/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think 'taking matters into your own hands' is exactly what you should do.
I was labelled (probably as correctly as one can be) clinically depressed by a medical professional at a young age... I did not try nearly as many medications as you did, nor did I try them for very long. (they only seemed like a way to change my brain, not to solve my problems)
Modern society loves to over-catagorize, over-analyze, and profit from the pain of others... I mean... people have been unhappy for thousands of years... but only within the last 100 years or so has anyone been clinically depressed...
Being called depressed never helped me find a cure... really it only made me feel like a component in some social machine of medical advance...
But anyway, in conclusion, looking at my problems as what they were really helped me. (instead of trying to look at them as plain simple 'depression' or trying to see them from a shrink's point of view)
Psychedelics help me gain perspective I believe. They're no magic cure or anything though.
-------------------- Know your self. Know your substance. Know your source. The most distorted perspective possible is the perspective that yours is not distorted.
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Re: Aid Of Psychedelics [Re: leery11]
#5669349 - 05/24/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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leery11 said: qualified shamans
LOL
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leery11
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Re: Aid Of Psychedelics [Re: mecreateme]
#5670308 - 05/24/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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mecreateme said:
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My friend. You die on these things if you take enough.
Perhaps you should clarify what you mean instead of trying to scare this person.
You left off something important. I am sure you don't mean these drugs will physically kill you, but in a nut shell, that is exactly what you said.
And in your case Leery, I would lay off of all substances. Your posts have gotten long and erratic. Very rambly.
I could have sworn I elaborated on that because I was thinking how I didn't want to scare him with minsiformation.
I guess I didn't.
And which posts? The ones about ME? Yes those are. But all my posts are long and erratic and always have been. That is how I write.
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leery11 said: qualified shamans
LOL
there are some. I don't know where you find them in America.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
Edited by leery11 (05/24/06 09:15 PM)
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Re: Aid Of Psychedelics [Re: Zimed]
#5673371 - 05/25/06 02:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You're looking for a chemical solution to your personal problems. A chemical reaction isn't going to fix you. You have to be willing to learn new ways to think.
Be proactive, as opposed to passive. Nobody can MAKE you better. You have to BE better.
Before you experiment with psychedelic drugs, I recommend you go to your local university library and read everything you can by [Perls, Frederick S.] and [Grof, Stanislav]. Frederick Perls describes a method of exploration called "Gestalt Therapy," and Stanislav Grof is all about psychedelic research and "transpersonal psychology."
If you decide to pursue those avenues, it's wise to have a friend to help you stay on track. It would be a good idea, whether you have a live buddy or not, to post in the Philosophy and Spirituality forum to keep track of your progress. (Ha! I should follow my own advice. Maybe I will later.)
Good luck!
Please feel free to PM me if you want to talk about specifics or ask questions.
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