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    #5664767 - 05/23/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I found two types of mushrooms that i took back home with me. one is brown gold redish color and they are small. the largest ones i colelcted growing to about an inch across the cap and about an inch and a half to two inches tall. The spore print is a dark purple. The gills are dark and appear black. Some of them have darker rings of brown on the caps and the caps have no nob on the top they are wide and dont come up to much of a cone but more like a circle was cut in half. The stem and gills arnt easily taken appart the gills are level with the cap there is no space underneeth the cap it is all gills. I found them in cow manure that was older and partialy covered with leaves. The grew in groups of 2-7 or so. The stem is slightly fiberous and hallow and i see no sure sign of blueing but when bent they do turn a darker color of brown or black.
The next mushroom i found grew in cow manure but is a lighter brown and has more of a bell shape. The spore print is black. The cap is a lighter white at the edges and gradually goes to a browner color at the center. The gills are a dark grey or almost black. They are a good bit larger then the first ones i have found they are about 5 inches tall with thinner stems proportanatly to the size of the mushrooms then the smaller ones. They have a recess where the hood of the mushroom hangs over the top portion of the stems unlike the first mushrooms. The stem seems to darken to a black when brused.

Any help would be much appreciated. Next time i go out into the field ill be sure to bring a camera to make this a lot easier but first ill have to find my camera and the cord to connect it to my computer.


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Re: Help ID [Re: Left]
    #5664776 - 05/23/06 02:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i also bought a field guide today. the national audubon society field guide to mushrooms. The first ones look almost identical to the dung-loving Psiclocybe picture number 82. And like in the picture the gills dont have a space under the hood of the cap like the other mushrooms.


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Re: Help ID [Re: Left]
    #5664848 - 05/23/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yep, your description for the first mushroom perfectly matches Psilocybe coprophilia, which you have deduced from your field guide. It is not active. Your second description matches Panaoleus, likely a non-active type. Although from that description, Coprinus is also a possibility. Not sure what you mean about 'space under the hood.' Where do you live? Any chance of some pictures?

Nice descriptions.


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Re: Help ID [Re: xmush]
    #5664919 - 05/23/06 03:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I live in south carolina. By space it is hard for me to describe. Some mushrooms have attached gills but this one doesnt but the gills come down further on the stem so it looks like it might. Like the space would be like a bell with the hammer inside. The bell has room for the hammer to swing inside that is how the second one is the first one doesnt have any space inside the cap the gills fill the whole thing so if it were a bell it would have no room to swing because the gills fill the entire inside of the cap and the stem goes threw the middle.


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Re: Help ID [Re: Left]
    #5664928 - 05/23/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

oh and are the mushrooms edible anyway? If they are my friend will want to eat them even if they arnt active just cuz he wont beleve me cuz he things i want his.


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Re: Help ID [Re: Left]
    #5664951 - 05/23/06 03:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Neither mushrooms are likely to be edible, and since we do not have a 100% confirmed ID, DO NOT EAT THEM.  In general, don't eat stuff that you pick out of shit!  (unless you know it is psychedelic :smile:  Not sure why your friend would want eat them anyway.


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Re: Help ID [Re: Left]
    #5664954 - 05/23/06 03:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Neither mushrooms are likely to be edible, and since we do not have a 100% confirmed ID, DO NOT EAT THEM.  In general, don't eat stuff that you pick out of shit!  (unless you know it is psychedelic :smile:  Not sure why your friend would want to eat them anyway.


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Re: Help ID [Re: Left]
    #5664977 - 05/23/06 03:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

you never want to eat a mushroom someone has IDd for you on the internet....especially from just a description

dont even think about it....see everyday potentially deadly shrooms here people think might good to eat......and also misidentifications here

ther are potentially poisonous mushrooms with same color spores as yours

EDIT: see Xmush replied also same time and his warning was worth 2 postings


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Re: Help ID [Re: shroominDole]
    #5664996 - 05/23/06 03:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I notice a lot more mushrooms now that i have started finding them but it seems like none of them are what i want. What the fuck am i looking for? Why is it so difficult for me to find them? I see white ones that i knwo arnt good then i look for other ones. I find brown ones that are growing in cow dung and they arnt them either. I enjoy walking threw fields hunting for mushrooms but this is getting very frustrating.


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Re: Help ID [Re: Left]
    #5665023 - 05/23/06 03:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What state you in ??

check this ....click...
http://www.shroomery.org/index.php/par/23470

and Audobon is phenominal for pictures and 'Mushrooms Demystified' by
David Arora is the mandatory field guide

and alot of those you "dont want" are phenominal gourme mushrooms for pasta and omellettes....some may be deadly too


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Re: Help ID [Re: shroominDole]
    #5665061 - 05/23/06 03:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

LOL shroomindole, it was worth two postings, but that was an accident.  Accidentally hit the button twice!

Don't get discouraged.  You're in SC which is a state that Psilocybe cubensis grows in.  Still might be a bit early to find them.  Keep Looking!!  Do your research so that you know what you are looking for.  You seem to have an eye for hunting, your descriptions are good and you were able to ID from your field guide.  Every mushroom you find is a learning experience.  The more you find that aren't the ones you *want* the better prepared you'll be when you find the real deal.  :wink:


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    #5665065 - 05/23/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

They have to blue if they are active? I understand that its when it oxodizes but maby i am mistaking and it is blueing. I just dont want to be wrong about bluing and they did start off more brown on the stems so would it still be blue? I wish i could hire a guide to take me on a hunt. I live in south carolina and will defenatly continue to hunt but it is incredibly frustrating none the less. I was excited because last night i found three other mushrooms i had never seen in real life before. I saw an animata one that had the red and the white spots but i didnt take it because i was worried it might be poison but it appeared there were bites out of it or pieces missing like animals had eaten some so maby it was good. seemed really light red like faded though thats why i didnt take it.


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Re: Help ID [Re: Left]
    #5665085 - 05/23/06 03:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Save the amanitas until you are more familiar with IDing mushrooms, and with the experiences they can give you. Animal bites are NEVER a good indication that a mushroom is edible. Some animals are unaffected or affected differently by toxins that can kill us - and some animals eat poisonous mushrooms or plants and die!

When you see a mushroom turn blue, you'll know it. If you're in doubt, don't eat it.

Patience grasshopper


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Re: Help ID [Re: xmush]
    #5665215 - 05/23/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

although I would recommend waiting several years before even considering ingesting any sort of Amanita or not at all.....I used to find a good eating edible Amanita in your area that may fit your description an A. muscaria lookalike called......Amanita parcivolvata.......along with what I thought was exceptional for a Suillus......S. pictus.....along with many deadly Amanitas !

A. muscaria will just make you sick anyway !


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Re: Help ID [Re: shroominDole]
    #5669694 - 05/24/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think i found some. They have chocolate brown colored gills brown tops and the white ring around the edges of the cap. I have not had a chance to get a spore print yet but its comming. I found them about an hour ago and they seem to have turned a definate purple not really blue. The only thing thats odd is that the stem was already a kind of blueinsh pink and when i brused it a few minutes later it looks like a dark purple. you can defenatly tell the difference from where it was brused and where the stem was not because it looks much much darker. it looks exactly like psilocybe coprophilia which is what i thought i had before but these dotn have dark rings on top around the lighter part. How weak is this mushroom? it sais it is a weak one in the comments in my field guide.


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Re: Help ID [Re: Left]
    #5669815 - 05/24/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

P. coprophilia is so weak that it won't do anything! You need to be looking for pan subbs and psilocybe cubensis. Research them. Do your mushies look like them? From your description I'm not so sure.


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