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The image of Jesus Christ was influenced by white men. more specifically these white men:
#5663967 - 05/23/06 11:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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since this is probably more open to debate, i guess it should be in this forum, and not the other one where no one can disagree with anyone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Borgia
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It has been suggested that some pictures of Jesus Christ produced around Borgia's lifetime were based on Cesare Borgia, and that this in turn has influenced images of Jesus produced since that time.
http://arts.guardian.co.uk/features/story/0,,850745,00.html
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But there is more than vanity to Dürer's self-portraits. From an early moment in his life, he was aware of himself as a genius, as an inspired creator. One interpretation of his Christ-like self-portrait is that it champions the artist as demiurge, possessing divine power to create worlds. Dürer came to be recognised - even by the grudging Italians - for a mighty flow of ideas and images.
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Re: The image of Jesus Christ was influenced by white men. more specifically these white men: [Re: kotik]
#5663980 - 05/23/06 11:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Um...there are mosaics of Jesus in Eastern Orthodox churches that predate that man's life by about a thousand years. I've heard a more plausible theory that the familiar image of Jesus was influenced by Zeus. Personally, though, I think it is quite likely that Jesus could have looked quite similar to the paintings we have of him, with a few notable differences. Namely, a darker complexion and a bigger nose, and possibly more curly hair. Other than those differences, Jesus could well have looked very much like our common image of him.
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Re: The image of Jesus Christ was influenced by white men. more specifically these white men: [Re: Silversoul]
#5664033 - 05/23/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: Personally, though, I think it is quite likely that Jesus could have looked quite similar to the paintings we have of him, with a few notable differences. Namely, a darker complexion and a bigger nose, and possibly more curly hair.
I have a bigger nose and possibly a darker complexion as well. I'm telling you guys... 
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Re: The image of Jesus Christ was influenced by white men. more specifically these white men: [Re: kotik]
#5664080 - 05/23/06 12:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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From the stories of his life, it is obvious that Jesus was a black man.
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Re: The image of Jesus Christ was influenced by white men. more specifically these white men: [Re: Veritas]
#5664109 - 05/23/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, especially the part about going into a town and stealing horses....

Jesus was a Viking. That is to say, he is one.
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Re: The image of Jesus Christ was influenced by white men. more specifically these white men: [Re: Veritas]
#5664126 - 05/23/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Evrybody just makes jesus the color they are most coftorble with.
In reality he was most likley an arab.
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Re: The image of Jesus Christ was influenced by white men. more specifically these white men: [Re: domite]
#5664134 - 05/23/06 12:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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OMG! Are you saying that Jesus is a terrorist? No way, man, no fucking way!!
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Re: The image of Jesus Christ was influenced by white men. more specifically these white men: [Re: Veritas]
#5664265 - 05/23/06 12:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well he was a jew, and Isreal is on our side, so I think it's still okay to be a christain. :P
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Re: The image of Jesus Christ was influenced by white men. more specifically these white men: [Re: domite]
#5664288 - 05/23/06 12:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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But that can change from year to year, and from leader to leader...I think it would be safer to stick with Satanism. At least Satan was never human.
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Re: The image of Jesus Christ was influenced by white men. more specifically these white men: [Re: Veritas]
#5664304 - 05/23/06 12:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Veritas said: At least Satan was never human.
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Re: The image of Jesus Christ was influenced by white men. more specifically these white men: [Re: Silversoul]
#5664310 - 05/23/06 12:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Don't confuse the foot soldiers with the general.
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Re: The image of Jesus Christ was influenced by white men. more specifically these white men: [Re: kotik]
#5664726 - 05/23/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Jesus was a Middle Eastern Jew. He probably had more in common with modern Middle Easterners than a white man, but the renaissance artisits portrayed him as white because of cultural bias...but this very well known.
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Re: The image of Jesus Christ was influenced by white men. more specifically these white men: [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5664742 - 05/23/06 02:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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but this very well known.
the argument is reasonable, but I would not say well-known. you walk into a church here in the US and tell the people jesus was from the middle east, and you would probably get shouted off stage,
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Re: The image of Jesus Christ was influenced by white men. more specifically these white men: [Re: kotik]
#5664836 - 05/23/06 02:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: The image of Jesus Christ was influenced by white men. more specifically these white men: [Re: Silversoul]
#5665237 - 05/23/06 03:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: The image of Jesus Christ was influenced by white men. more specifically these white men: [Re: Silversoul]
#5665377 - 05/23/06 04:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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That recent depiction that was released by archeologists (sp?) looked similar to the popular ideal of Jesus' appearance, just with darker skin and more broader facial definition. That is, if the historical Jesus was real.
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Re: The image of Jesus Christ was influenced by white men. more specifically these white men: [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5665545 - 05/23/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: Jesus was a Middle Eastern Jew. He probably had more in common with modern Middle Easterners than a white man, but the renaissance artisits portrayed him as white because of cultural bias...but this very well known.
Right. I remember seeing this popular Italian version since it came out in 1960. In fact this is one of the pics that my oldest childhood friend (from 18 months of age) gave to me from his parents' house. I remember asking (at about age 6) if Jesus really had a Sacred Heart, and I was told "yes." I suppose that this flaming, glowing, crown-of-thorns-encircled Heart fairly intrigued me, much as the Eternal Light over the ark of the Torah that I inquired about at about age 4. Some time in my psychedelic 20s, I merged the two symbols. But I wildly digress!
If one goes by the still controversial Shroud of Turin, Jesus had an oiled pony-tail, as Hebrew men apparently wore, and a beard. The Nazirites were a cult of Hebrews who did not cut their hair, and supposedly, there never was a town of Nazareth at that time so the name Nazirite might have been corrupted into Nazarene or one from Nazareth. Whatever the Shroud actually is (one theory suggested a primitive photograph having been made by a large pinhole camera and silver salts, requiring many hours of exposure to the sun! Real Alchemy - Lunar metal, Solar light!)
At any rate, if the shroud is not a true image of the crucified Jesus, it may still be a faithful reproduction of the Man's form for all we know. Carbon-14 has been done repeatedly because marginal areas were contaminated by more recent C-14 from handlers. Despite front and rear images being different lengths, the actual mechanism for 'staining' the threads through and through, as well as the topographical details remains unknown.
Early catacomb paintings rendered Jesus as beardless, bowl hair-cut and in Roman toga. Other early representations of a beardless but longer-haired Jesus suggest a merging of images of Dionysius - grapes included. Fair-haired, blue-eyed, light-skinned like the one above is just as erroneous as African-looking Jesus representations if He was a Judean Jew.
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Re: The image of Jesus Christ was influenced by white men. more specifically these white men: [Re: soulcircus]
#5667670 - 05/24/06 05:32 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yet another theory. The Carbon-14 seems to yield the best probability for a time-frame, but they keep getting contaminated or contradictory results. In any event, the method by which the image was produced is still a mystery.
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Re: The image of Jesus Christ was influenced by white men. more specifically these white men: [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#5672159 - 05/25/06 10:18 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The image of Jesus that is genaerally accepted as truth today is actually a barbarian image (hence the beard and long hair!) put out during and after the rule of Charlemagne over the Frankish empire in an attempt to legitamise the rule of the Frankish kings by making them look a little like the man himself!
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Re: The image of Jesus Christ was influenced by white men. more specifically these white men: [Re: lostjohnny]
#5672690 - 05/25/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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lostjohnny said: The image of Jesus that is genaerally accepted as truth today is actually a barbarian image (hence the beard and long hair!) put out during and after the rule of Charlemagne over the Frankish empire in an attempt to legitamise the rule of the Frankish kings by making them look a little like the man himself!
False. As I said before, our current image of Jesus dates back before the fall of the Roman empire.
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