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RogerRabbit
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Re: coir versus vermiculite casings [Re: Babo911]
#5668263 - 05/24/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Excellent picture there hip to help illustrate my point, thank you. Note how the substrate is fully colonized? That means the coir is not serving as a casing, but as a substrate. We all know cubes don't require a casing to pin and fruit, and a great strain will pin very well without one. Coir as shown above, makes an excellent substrate. If it weren't so darned expensive compared to manure which is free, it would be a substrate of choice. RR
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HippieChick
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Re: coir versus vermiculite casings [Re: Hippie3]
#5668310 - 05/24/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I even disagree with you on this Hippie . I used coir exclusively for over a year , and got quite a few awesome first fluhes , but I also got awesome first flushes without a casing layer , so what's that proof . I also wound up with quite a lot of contams , mostly cobweb and the green , before the third .
Not with 50/50+ .
Awesome first flushes

followed by many , at least four , additional nice flushes .
 
followed by fourth and fifth

Not with coir Tends to contams way too quick for me . I'm not a one hit wonder fan 
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Re: coir versus vermiculite casings [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5668316 - 05/24/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Does anyone know if Coir is available from B&Q ? Also in the UK i cant find peat moss or potting soil, just compost! And no 1/2 pint jars! grr
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hyphae
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Re: coir versus vermiculite casings [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5668348 - 05/24/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's a shame some do not actually realize what the issue here is. For those who want to know cubies do not need a casing layer but they do usually flush better and heres the big word CONSISTANTLY with one. The point here is the fact Hippy's successful because a casing layer is not needed for decent flushes he simply added a different substrate on top of another that is the point here guys not a casing layer this is what truely understanding mycology is all about and does separate the more experienced mycologists from the less experienced growers. Excellent flush BTW Hippy was that a coir blend or straight? Keep an open mind people understanding is the key to success.
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Re: coir versus vermiculite casings [Re: hyphae]
#5668478 - 05/24/06 12:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Another thing to mention is that some things work for some and not for others.
You don't need a casing layer with a bulk substrate of horse poo.
You will get a better pin set using a casing layer.
60/40 Verm and Coco Coir casing works fine...I've used it 100's of times. The main problem most people have with it is waiting too long to put it in the fruiting chamber. As soon as the mycelium is reaching through the top of the casing layer it should be put into the fruiting chamber...immediately!~
The 60/40 casing tek was made as an alternate casing layer method... Plus I liked the color indicator that the coir gives off to let you know if the casing layer is dry or moist. I never said it was the best...but its not terrible like some people are trying to make it out to be. It seems to be getting alot of flak lately.
If you tried the 60/40 and it didn't work for you... you must have did something wrong!~ You probably used too much Coco Coir...or you didn't fruit the son of a bitch on time. Or you are talking out your ass and have never tried it!~ 
Oh and instead of using a casing layer...try using wax paper on top of your colonized horse poo(bulk substrate) like RR suggests. The wax paper will make a microclimate just like a casing layer will. The only difference that I see is you won't have the moisture from the casing layer...the moisture will come out of the substrate during the flush. So be sure and dunk after each flush.
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Re: coir versus vermiculite casings [Re: Roadkill]
#5668853 - 05/24/06 01:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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to me it's just quibbling over technicalities that really do not matter. call it whatever you want, a rose by any other name is still sweet so if you want call it substrate who really cares. just don't wig out when someone else calls it a casing, it ain't that big of a deal. what works, works. who really gives an F what you call it. here's more coir .
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Re: coir versus vermiculite casings [Re: HippieChick]
#5668904 - 05/24/06 01:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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hippie chick, another perhaps crucial factor is that you are now more experienced and so your contam rate is lower and not just because you switched to peat.
coir doesn't cause contamination, other contaminants do. neither is coir particularly prone to contamination, i've left it wet in buckets for weeks on end and nothing grew on it, ever.
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mskip23
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Re: coir versus vermiculite casings [Re: Hippie3]
#5669062 - 05/24/06 03:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Hippie3 said: here's more coir .
LMFAO!!!
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