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kristen
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Putting tray in FC until pins form
#5661058 - 05/22/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are there any advantages/disadvantages to placing a tray into the fruiting chamber until hyphal knot's form, and then casing it? I know some do not incubate their casing before placing in the fc...it seems like this would encourage faster growth.
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Re: Putting tray in FC until pins form [Re: kristen]
#5661084 - 05/22/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Case it, incubate it, patch it, fruit it.
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Re: Putting tray in FC until pins form [Re: Atheist]
#5661180 - 05/22/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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From the reading I've done, not casing is a bit like throwing out half your harvest. Every (metaphorical) nickel you spend (in time and effort) to case will come back dressed up as a nice fat quarter. Mycologically speaking, of course.
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Re: Putting tray in FC until pins form [Re: kristen]
#5661626 - 05/22/06 08:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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kristen said: Are there any advantages/disadvantages to placing a tray into the fruiting chamber until hyphal knot's form, and then casing it? I know some do not incubate their casing before placing in the fc...it seems like this would encourage faster growth.
You should go back and read the basics kristen, FYI placing in the FC slows vegetative growth and covering your knots with casing would distroy your initial pinset. No disrespect meant but you need to grasp the basics of mycology before you will understand what is actually happening and why, any questions please feel free to PM me anytime.
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Re: Putting tray in FC until pins form [Re: hyphae]
#5661632 - 05/22/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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^^^ what he said...
Edited by AliceDee (05/22/06 08:19 PM)
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kristen
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Re: Putting tray in FC until pins form [Re: hyphae]
#5664601 - 05/23/06 01:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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hyphae said: You should go back and read the basics kristen, FYI placing in the FC slows vegetative growth and covering your knots with casing would distroy your initial pinset. No disrespect meant but you need to grasp the basics of mycology before you will understand what is actually happening and why, any questions please feel free to PM me anytime.
Sorry if my first post was not very clear. I was talking after full colonization, and not just slopping it on there. I've done it before and have seen a speed increase in fruit formation and no apparently loss in the first pinset.
Edited by kristen (05/23/06 01:51 PM)
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Re: Putting tray in FC until pins form [Re: kristen]
#5664815 - 05/23/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The speed increase is real, because the substrate was pinning as an uncased substrate. Uncased substrates will fruit a week to ten days sooner because there's no casing layer to colonize. However, the pinset will not be as good, nor the fruits as large generally as the same strain would make if you applied the casing layer upon full colonization. Hyphae is right. You shouldn't apply casing over the pins. You might get away with it a few times, but once the primordia begin to form, they are very delicate. A simple misting can sometimes 86 them. RR
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Re: Putting tray in FC until pins form [Re: kristen]
#5665508 - 05/23/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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kristen said:
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hyphae said: You should go back and read the basics kristen, FYI placing in the FC slows vegetative growth and covering your knots with casing would distroy your initial pinset. No disrespect meant but you need to grasp the basics of mycology before you will understand what is actually happening and why, any questions please feel free to PM me anytime.
Sorry if my first post was not very clear. I was talking after full colonization, and not just slopping it on there. I've done it before and have seen a speed increase in fruit formation and no apparently loss in the first pinset.
I realize that but I was under the impression you were talking after full colonization FCing it until hyphae knots developed then casing it. As soon as the temps drop as they do in a FC and as soon as CO2 levels drop as they do in an FC mycelium slows in growth (fact) now depending on how thick you plan on using for a casing layer pinning will be affected it is backwards of what you want trust me. Are you referring to your experiences with an uncased tray when you say you've done it seeing an increase in speed?
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Re: Putting tray in FC until pins form [Re: hyphae]
#5665583 - 05/23/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i had a question/problem similar to this, usually my poo take 15 days to pin, this time at 15 days there were hypal knots everywhere but it wouldnt pin, i added a light casing layer thinkin it would help because i was using a diff strain and maybe some strains work better cased but i was probably just being impatient...anyway, maybe that was a bad idea, they all pinned and flushed ok any way, but maybe it would have been better if i hadnt cased over the hypal knots...
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