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Who says PF tek? (rant)
    #5660995 - 05/22/06 05:10 PM (18 years, 12 days ago)

First, PF is more contam prone than grains. Boiling jars = bad. Spending 30-40 bucks on a pressure cooker = good. I highly doubt there's anyone over the age of 18 that can't find a way to scrape together a few bucks for a pressure cooker. Beyond that, proper filter VS some holes over a layer of vermiculite? Better hope there's no draft.

Second, yield! 4 grain jars transfered to a couple gallons of straw will produce WAY WAY more shrooms than a bunch of tiny 1/2 pint cakes.

Third, cost. 10 bucks buys you enough bird seed and straw to produce pounds of mushrooms. The pressure cooker just payed for itself.

Fourth, effort. Who says PF is "easier" than grain jars? Going by yield, PF tek consumes so much more time it isn't funny. Besides, a small straw grow in a mono tub with a peat casing layer takes no more effort than a PF grow, and you get more shrooms anyway.

Finally, PF tek doesn't "prepare" a person for grains. The difficulty level of both methods is easy.

Let's look at the price of a grain/straw grow:
cheap 12 quart PC - 40
40lb bag of WBS - 6
40lb bag of peat - 5
4 foot bag of verm - 6
bale of hay - 5
12 quart jars - 10
Tyvek envelopes - free
tape - 2
40lb high cal lime - 6
large tub - 15
bag of polyfil - 2
meat thermometer - 3

Total = 100 dollars. Congratulations, you've just purchased enough supplies to grow 10+ pounds of mushrooms.

And PF grow?

12 1/2 pint jars - 10
2 bags BRF - 6
Bag of verm - 5
large tub - 15
bag of perlite - 3
optional humidifier - 30

Total cost - 39-69 dollars

If you spring for the humidifier, you've saved 30 bucks. If you opt to be a slave to mycelium and fan several time a day, you've saved about 60. Congratulations, you can look forward to a meager harvest and you'll be running to the store for BRF before too long.

I realize some people have special circumstances and can't store large bags of substrate, but this doesn't explain: newb = PF tek is best. PF has it's place, Hippie Chick uses PF for testing strains I believe. But why on earth would a newbie want to do PF tek? That's my rant.

Rahz


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Re: Who says PF tek? (rant) [Re: Rahz]
    #5661055 - 05/22/06 05:35 PM (18 years, 12 days ago)

I fully agree that grains are a far better choice than the PF-style cake method. However, there are numerous errors in your post. There is no reason you can't use a pressure cooker with the PF method. I always did. You can also use polyfill and/or tyvek with PF cakes as well.


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Re: Who says PF tek? (rant) [Re: soulsizzle]
    #5661076 - 05/22/06 05:44 PM (18 years, 12 days ago)

Yea, that's true, but them you're looseing the price advantage and PF becomes even less attractive.

Tyvek and polyfil are cheap enough, but they're not utilized in any PF style teks I've read.

Rahz


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Re: Who says PF tek? (rant) [Re: Rahz]
    #5661080 - 05/22/06 05:47 PM (18 years, 12 days ago)

wow...what a useless post


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Re: Who says PF tek? (rant) [Re: Rahz]
    #5661083 - 05/22/06 05:49 PM (18 years, 12 days ago)

no reason why u cant use them though


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    #5661099 - 05/22/06 05:54 PM (18 years, 12 days ago)


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Re: Who says PF tek? (rant) [Re: Rahz]
    #5661107 - 05/22/06 05:56 PM (18 years, 12 days ago)

I agree, but I think the main thing is that the word isn't really out there about just how easy grains are.
Me though, I'm a quick study. I tried WBS after my first batch of eight cakes. My first cakes took nearly 40 days just to colonize 100%, whereas the grain is done in ~14 days (and that's in a jar twice the size of a PF!).
I can't think of anything I'd like better than for it to be widely known just how easy grain really is!

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Re: Who says PF tek? (rant) [Re: Optx]
    #5661119 - 05/22/06 05:59 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

haha, don't hold back, tell me how you really feel.

Useless? All a matter of opinion. If one newb reads it and decides to skip PF then I'd say it was usefull.

Beyond that, it's something I've thought of posting every time I see a newb asking for first grow advice, and then getting directed to a PF variant. So it was quite useful to me.

Sorry, I feel fine, have a good one :heart:

Rahz


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Re: Who says PF tek? (rant) [Re: mikeownow]
    #5661123 - 05/22/06 06:00 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

the hardest part of grain is getting the moisture content right.. pf tek is a little more forgiving on that aspect.


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Re: Who says PF tek? (rant) [Re: Rahz]
    #5661131 - 05/22/06 06:01 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

Who says anyone needs to grow pounds of mushrooms? PF Tek is all that most people need.


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Re: Who says PF tek? (rant) [Re: mikeownow]
    #5661137 - 05/22/06 06:03 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

I have to admit, I spent a while reading the forums (maybe a month) before jumping in and I couldn't think of a reason to go pf-tek so I'm starting with grains. I can see a place for pf for people who (a) only want a small, low-budget grow and/or (b) don't yet have a PC.

I take that back, I can see a third reason; those who want to "try it out first" and spend pretty much nothing because most of the items in the pf method are sitting around the house already.

Just my 2c.

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Re: Who says PF tek? (rant) [Re: ]
    #5661167 - 05/22/06 06:11 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

>>>>What about if you got PF-TEK spawn to Poo then you get same results as you would using grain, right?

Yea, that's true. I've actually done it. Grain still wins on cost per jar, and prep time per quart. After I bought a PC I didn't see the point.

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Re: Who says PF tek? (rant) [Re: Rahz]
    #5661217 - 05/22/06 06:23 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

you got it rahz... grain is def cheeper.

but also, grain can fuck up alot. Been down these roads....



pf can fuk up too....


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Re: Who says PF tek? (rant) [Re: Rahz]
    #5661219 - 05/22/06 06:25 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

Moisture content with grains can be prety hard. PF-Tek = measured out amounts with little room for error. As grains ooops I simmered to wich should only be 5 minutes. Or oops I didnt dry the grains off good enough. I use a paper towel to dry myn now and They still colonise slow in the jar. So grain is difficult.


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Re: Who says PF tek? (rant) [Re: mikeownow]
    #5661225 - 05/22/06 06:26 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

Oatman2000

HOW the hell did you contam so much lol!


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Re: Who says PF tek? (rant) [Re: Dragonaut]
    #5661227 - 05/22/06 06:26 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

>>>>Who says anyone needs to grow pounds of mushrooms? PF Tek is all that most people need.

Until they run out. A casual shroomer (which I am) could do 1 good bulk grow, and not have to worry about growing again for a year or three.

Shrooms for years, only growing for a month... PF looses again :smile:

Besides, who only wants a little bit? :grin:

Seriously though, I'm not trying to be an ass, there are valid arguments in favour of PF. It's just that "do PF first" seems to be the default response. What I'm saying is, if you're a newb, consider grains. Someone posted earlier asking why their shrooms were only 3" and small. They were doing PF tek. I'd bet they would like a big pile of 6 inchers.

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Re: Who says PF tek? (rant) [Re: Rahz]
    #5661239 - 05/22/06 06:29 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

There are much more steps in grains and a newb is concerned with a lot and fear messing up the pf tek- after the pf tek you get the prossess down and are basicaly ready for a next step up. I went from pf tek to grain pooh


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Re: Who says PF tek? (rant) [Re: Oatman2000]
    #5661248 - 05/22/06 06:32 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

LOL, I remember that pic.

I've got a tyvek covered jar of grain I PCed 6 months ago. Contam free and drying out. My contam rate is 1 jar out of the dozens I've done so far, and that was because I left the foil cover on without loosening it, condensation above the tyvek contamed and wicked through the tyvek.

Did you ever figure out what was up?

Rahz


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Re: Who says PF tek? (rant) [Re: Dragonaut]
    #5661396 - 05/22/06 07:13 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

pf invitro
it just doesn't get any easier
nor more reliable than that.


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Re: Who says PF tek? (rant) [Re: Hippie3]
    #5661403 - 05/22/06 07:14 PM (18 years, 11 days ago)

WOW nice invitro!!!


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