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US Government Sued By Porn Domain
#5660936 - 05/22/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31852
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By Nick Farrell: Monday 22 May 2006, 06:26
AN OUTFIT which was behind an idea to bring in a .XXX domain name as a virtual red light district has sued the US government for using strong arm tactics to shoot down the idea.
ICM Registry is suing Department of Commerce and the Department of State for access to documents it claims show the US pressured ICANN into rejecting the domain.
The lawsuit will claim that the US "exerted undue political influence on ICANN's consideration of the .xxx domain application" which is illegal.
So far the documents seen by ICM include emails show that National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) reversed its backing of the .xxx application, after lobbying from conservative groups, then set about trying to persuade foreign governments to back its position.
ICM claims the documents show that the US government "solicit[ed] foreign government intervention to achieve DoC's domestic political goals".
One of the people it wanted to appease were the Family Research Council and Focus On The Family, which are two right-wing outfits run by radio host James Dobson.
Dobson was responsible for winning Bush a lot of anti-gay votes in the last election and there is an indication in the emails that the NTIA was scared of him.
One email said that "What really matters in this mess is Jim Dobson… What he says on his radio program in the morning will determine how ugly this really gets." Apparently he did weigh in against the .XXX and his listeners all sent in emails complaining about the idea.
Whether or not the .XXX porn idea would have worked, the emails show dependant supposedly independent organisations like ICANN is in fear of the US's so called moral majority.
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Re: US Government Sued By Porn Domain [Re: Diploid]
#5660958 - 05/22/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm for it. I say porn websites need that own domain names.
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Re: US Government Sued By Porn Domain [Re: Diploid]
#5664068 - 05/23/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I really cant imagine why the government would be against this .XXX domain idea. It would give them better information as to what we as citizens are looking at.
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Re: US Government Sued By Porn Domain [Re: AaronEvil]
#5664237 - 05/23/06 12:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"Family Research Council and Focus On The Family, which are two right-wing outfits run by radio host James Dobson. "
funny.. im actually reading a book that is completely unrelated called Fast Food Nation that mentioned how Focus on Family generated much more than any of Pat Robertson's or Jerry Falwell's projects, and even attributes Dobson to the reason why southern california lost most of its white people to colorado springs, during the "great white migration"
as for the .xxx thing, i think it is a GREAT idea. in fact, ALL porn should be on .xxx, it would be much easier to regulate!
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Re: US Government Sued By Porn Domain [Re: kotik]
#5664342 - 05/23/06 01:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The government would love to tax the hell out of internet pornography; in fact, I remember reading something awhile back on proposals to do so, but I think it is a safe bet that the conservative government's Christian voters would not think doing so would be moral. 
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Re: US Government Sued By Porn Domain [Re: fireworks_god]
#5665382 - 05/23/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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They should enact a per stroke tax. All other taxes can be repealed. We could be like Scotland. "Ruled by wankers." If the government pisses us off we just stop jerking for a day and cripple them. They'll beg us to spank it. Women won't be let off either. Each little finger flick will be taxed as well as D batteries. I'm telling you, they'll be streaming porn so fast it'll make your head spin.
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Re: US Government Sued By Porn Domain [Re: zappaisgod]
#5665847 - 05/23/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm reminded of when porn star Mary Carey ran for governor of California during the recall election. Her plan to pay off the deficit was to install cameras in the governor's mansion and have a pay site where people could pay to watch her walk around naked. That would have added bonus of drawing money in from outside the state.
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Re: US Government Sued By Porn Domain [Re: Silversoul]
#5665926 - 05/23/06 06:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not for nothing but I don't think that particular revenue stream is anywhere near what I proposed. She probably couldn't make a dent in Sheboygan's school taxes.
I'm talking huge money.
Hell, we could probably solve any energy crisis if we could just harness the kinetic energy from 200 mllion wrists. (I'm giving 100 million in children who haven't found it yet and weirdos)
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Re: US Government Sued By Porn Domain [Re: zappaisgod]
#5667037 - 05/23/06 11:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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it seems doublespeak is active again.
a family organization against .xxx
don't you guys realize that labeling all porn sites under .xxx will make it easier to STAY AWAY FROM PORN!!!! If you find a link and you aren't sure what content is on it, and your little kid is about to click it, you teach him to look and see if it has .xxx at the end, and if it does he isn't allowed to.
How is this a bad idea at all?
I guess it's like how famillies want kids to stay off drugs, so they let drug dealers sell drugs to kids in their high and middle schools because they support prohibition.
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Re: US Government Sued By Porn Domain [Re: leery11]
#5667700 - 05/24/06 06:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You need permission to sue the federal government........ and that permission comes from......(surprise!!) the federal government.
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Re: US Government Sued By Porn Domain [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5670042 - 05/24/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I cannot understand why everyone is so excited to make .xxx a TLD.
This would suddenly create a need to define what is and is not pornography. Someone would be responsible for making those judgement calls. Somehow someone, somewhere would then have to enforce the new rules... from the US only. It sounds like a huge fucking headache for "them" and "us".
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Re: US Government Sued By Porn Domain [Re: debianlinux]
#5670248 - 05/24/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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simple.
if you make money off memberships, and supply adult content, then .xxx would be a perfect choice. i dont think anyone would sit there and force porn onto .xxx just like no one cares if you have a .org that makes money, or a .com thats for non-profit.
the only restricted names are .edu and .mil, for obvious reasons. .xxx is the exact opposite, plus it could free up ambiguous names like whitehouse.com and etc.
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Re: US Government Sued By Porn Domain [Re: kotik]
#5670335 - 05/24/06 09:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
kotik said: i dont think anyone would sit there and force porn onto .xxx
i think you fool yourself. the loudest voices crying for this are the religious right and they are screaming the usual "think of the children". you can bet the .xxx TLD will be exactly where "they" will expect all "pornography" to be pidgeonholed so school computers and faux-parents can just filter that domain and not actually have any involvement in guiding and educating children. once that precedent is in place the new thrust will be to categorize all "objectionable" content as pornographic as the religious right has done time after time after time.
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Re: US Government Sued By Porn Domain [Re: debianlinux]
#5671592 - 05/25/06 05:00 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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well now you are just assuming whats to come and predicting the future. in all fairness, almost no uses the other TLDs like .info, .biz, etc.
by having .xxx it allows many more domains to be available to legit business.
plus, you DO realize that the "religious right" does not have ANY SAY on the internet. internet is worldwide religious right = small compared to rest of world.
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Re: US Government Sued By Porn Domain [Re: debianlinux]
#5671593 - 05/25/06 05:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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> I cannot understand why everyone is so excited to make .xxx a TLD.
When you walk into the library, they don't store the playboy magazines with the children books. And yes, every library I ever worked in carried playboy magazine.
Look at it from the other angle. Why should there not be an .xxx TLD? I have yet to hear a good reason that doesn't involve somebody else pushing their moral values upon the rest of us.
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Re: US Government Sued By Porn Domain [Re: kotik]
#5671634 - 05/25/06 05:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
kotik said: plus, you DO realize that the "religious right" does not have ANY SAY on the internet. internet is worldwide religious right = small compared to rest of world.
you realise that the US more or less tiers the internet for the rest of the world, right? you also realise history repeats itself, right? i am fundamentally opposed to unenforcable rules and i have yet to hear a plausible scenario for enforcing .xxx which seems to me to be the motivation for it's inception... enforcement, that is.
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Re: US Government Sued By Porn Domain [Re: debianlinux]
#5672308 - 05/25/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i dont understand why you use the word "enforcing."
like I said, educational institutions are not FORCED to use .edu, and non-profit is not FORCED to use .org
why would another option be viewed as coercion? Just because a new car comes out doesn't mean you are forced to buy it.
If the religious right had this control you are implying over the internet, I doubt .xxx would be of their greatest concern, instead they might want to take down all of the 9/11 and DaVinci code stuff that is coming back as #1 google video and search results.
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Re: US Government Sued By Porn Domain [Re: debianlinux]
#5673242 - 05/25/06 02:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The thing about the Internet is its not a thing owned by anyone. Its a collection of agreed computer protocols and business deals, run using rapidly evolving equipment made by very competitive independent manufactures.
Service providers operate to make profit in a highly competitive and evolving market, if government interfering with standards bodies to the point that providers feel that a standards body is getting in the way of business, they will adopt other standards, probably in parallel.
In many ways I feel the Internet is a beautiful example of the American ideal, free markets governed by consensus.
There is no technical reason why the DNS system could not be adapted operate with multiple roots.
Two poignant old quotes from Internet pioneers.
"The net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it". John Gilmore
"That's the wonderful thing about standards... there are so many to choose from" - Andrew Tannenbaum
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Re: US Government Sued By Porn Domain [Re: debianlinux]
#5673602 - 05/25/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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This would suddenly create a need to define what is and is not pornography.
Actually, no need to define anything. The .xxx domains would be parceled off to anyone on a first-come-first-served basis, just like it is for the other TLDs (except for .gov, .edu).
The idea is that the content will more or less self-filter. If your web site is about toys, you're not going to want a .xxx domain, but if your wares are about scat, then you'll probably be looking for a .xxx TLD.
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Re: US Government Sued By Porn Domain [Re: Seuss]
#5683028 - 05/28/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why not make all 3 letter combinations TLD's?
Would 263 = 17,576 be too many somehow?
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