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proper jar preperation
    #5659729 - 05/22/06 11:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i think ive been preparing my jar the right way this whole time but a friend puts his tyvek over the metal lid. its worked for him but i usually but the metal lid over the tyvek. i prepare my jars like the pic below, am i doin right, or is there a better way?



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Re: proper jar preperation [Re: redshadow]
    #5659851 - 05/22/06 11:44 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

From all the things I have read, everyone has thier way of doing things. I have read post where both ways were used, it just the way you prefer. But if you must know, make up some one and then some the other way and see wich works best for you. I even seen post where they used no lids just the tyvek and coffee filters or aluminfoil, or both.


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Re: proper jar preperation [Re: kilroy]
    #5659896 - 05/22/06 12:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've used tyvek under the lid with lots of success. no contams from it at all.

I now use tyvek over the lid, because I switched my grain lid setup. I would think either way is fine.

You have agar in one corner and RogerRabbit in the other.
Both have tons of success with either way.

I started with agar's lids, and now use RogerRabbits suggestions.
my new lids have an injection port and several very small holes for gas exchange. Not even big enough for a piece of millet to sneak through. I place the lid on and the tyvek over it. After inoculation, I micropore tape the tyvek and add a coffee filter dust cover. Label and incubate.

again, matter of preference, but if you're starting from scratch the tyvek over the lid makes more sterile sense. The holes in the lid have to be tiny, keeping the grain from touching the tyvek. Keeping the tyvek dry is the only reason to put it on top of the lid.


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Re: proper jar preperation [Re: monstermitch]
    #5659943 - 05/22/06 12:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i kinda figured it was a thing of prefrence. i think im going to make some jars today and will try the tyvek on top.keeping it on top so it stays dry is the first thing that came to mind. i always get mold on my tyvek. especially  thos damn little black pinnheads :evil:. if im able to catch it quick enough jar sometimes does not get contams. do you guys use polyfil with the tyvek on top?


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Re: proper jar preperation [Re: redshadow]
    #5659952 - 05/22/06 12:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

poly-fil or tyvek.

never both.


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Re: proper jar preperation [Re: monstermitch]
    #5659972 - 05/22/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

really?! why not, ive used both. ive seen som teks that use both as well.


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Re: proper jar preperation [Re: redshadow]
    #5660117 - 05/22/06 01:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

if you put tyvek over the metal lid, don't you have a puncture wound from inoculation?


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Re: proper jar preperation [Re: Optx]
    #5660605 - 05/22/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Optx said:
if you put tyvek over the metal lid, don't you have a puncture wound from inoculation?




does anyone know if that is true? i'd like to know aswell.
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Re: proper jar preperation [Re: gutmaggot]
    #5660640 - 05/22/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No, there is a puncture wound. I would assume its better then having a larger hole in just the metal lid. I can’t see how a combination would hurt. The more filtering the better right?


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Re: proper jar preperation [Re: gutmaggot]
    #5660643 - 05/22/06 03:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Tyvek was made to be tear/puncture/everything resistant, wasnt it?


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Re: proper jar preperation [Re: redshadow]
    #5660649 - 05/22/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Try a single 1/4" hole in the top, stuffed with polyfill. Cover the lid w/ foil for the PC run, and inoculate directly through the foil, through the polyfill hole. Self-sealing injection right there, it's never let me down. Personally, I don't understand why everyone is making so much work for themselves. You just need one 1/4" hole, some polyfill, and that's it. End of story, no layers of this and that. It's silly simple.


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Re: proper jar preperation [Re: Holydiver]
    #5660886 - 05/22/06 04:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Very true. The most important thing is that the filter material, whatever is used stays dry. Wet filter material WILL mold.
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Re: proper jar preperation [Re: Holydiver]
    #5660913 - 05/22/06 04:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I see people making things way more complicated than what it needs to be. For some reason its human nature to believe the more involved or complicated something is the better it will work but its the opposite that is true.


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Re: proper jar preperation [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5661504 - 05/22/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ive punctured it before. you can stick you needle right through it. tearing is another thing but cutting and puncturing is not a problem with tyvek.


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Re: proper jar preperation [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5680249 - 05/27/06 11:52 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

so how do i keep my filter material dry when doing my grain shakes?
gently i assume. How serious is this filter contamination? I believe that i've seen arguements on either side of the issue.


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Re: proper jar preperation [Re: Birthbytongue]
    #5680300 - 05/27/06 12:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

If you'll drill two or three small, 1/16" holes in the metal lid, the grains will never touch the filter when you shake. A fully inflated bicycle tire works great for banging jars against to break them up. Just make sure you have the tire pumped up nice and hard.
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Re: proper jar preperation [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5680606 - 05/27/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ha, tactful response RR. i do appreciate the input.
however, i have two questions:
1.)are you speaking of WBS grain or the rye berries that you buy? I only ask because i've never used WBS or rye before, but i'm not positively sure that some of the grains in my WBS bag will expand greater than 1/16th after soaking.
2. are you using tyvek or polyfil for FAE? do you have a link on how you construct your spawn jars?(i really did use the search function)


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