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OfflineDucky
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Psilo flashback induced by Mary?
    #5648346 - 05/18/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

So about two months ago I visited Amsterdam.  I will ony share the first morning right now, as I'm sure we all know what may have happened after that :wink:  So 10am, my good friend, his room mate and his roomate's girl, and myself got off the train at Central Station (middle of town sort of.)  We were all tired from travelling, but we couldn't check into our hotel for another four hours..shit.  We still had all of our bags.  Oh well, to find a coffee shop it was! 

We stepped into the first one we came across, The Doors, I belive it was called.  A gram of some absolutely stunning White Widow was purchased (I'm used to Cali and Oregon bud, so I had a decent sense of what's good..) and rolled into a huge joint.  There the four of us sat for a good hour, soaking up the resinous smoke of this lovely baggie of cannabis sativa.  The music in the shop, a chill/loungy/jazzy breaks track, wonderful.  The air was warm, but ventilated comfortably by the open door to the freezing outside. 

Anyways, I got super high...hadn't smoked really more than once or twice the past few months until a week before going there, so I really had no tolerance whatsoever.  I was BAKED!  My heart was pounding out of my chest, my panic firing up, however I managed to keep it together.  (Side note: unfortunately weed tends to have the fast heart rate, 180+ bpm, effect on me plus some nice panic/anxiety, maybe didn'e help that I was on some Adderall XR at the time too)  When we finally stepped outside, which was very rejuvenating, my feet seemed to sink abruptly into the sidewalk, like I was walking on an eggshell covering a shallow pool of jelly.  Now, I've had the same feeling of stepping through the ground when I first took mushies, but never from weed!  It tripped me out at first, but in all reality it totally snapped me out of the uncomfortable feeling of panic because it was just so damn amusing!  No visuals or anything, but that weird tactile feeling.  Any ideas!!!!?????


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OfflineTurricaN
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Re: Psilo flashback induced by Mary? [Re: Ducky]
    #5648496 - 05/18/06 11:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Ducky said:We were all tired from travelling, but we couldn't check into our hotel for another four hours..shit.  We still had all of our bags.



You know, Amsterdam Centraal has lockers for exactly this reason. :smile:

But in response to your question, yes, weed does tend to have a certain capacity for mimicking the effects of other substances that you may have recently used or mind-states that you have been in.  I've had weed produce mushroom effects and salvia effects before.  It's similar, but usually it's less concrete; feels more like a 'simulation' of the effect as opposed to the real deal, but you'll probably only notice that if you really stop to observe it properly.

For this reason, I usually like to use weed a day or two after a trip so that I can try and interpret the trip.


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Re: Psilo flashback induced by Mary? [Re: TurricaN]
    #5648517 - 05/18/06 11:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting thought/approach.  I do recall getting a 'trippy' feeling the next few times toking after plunging into the land of the fungi.  Maybe it has to do somewhat with what you expect, whether that be conscious or subconscious of how a substance will affect you.  Thanks for the tip on lockers, I'll check 'em out next time :wink:


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Re: Psilo flashback induced by Mary? [Re: Ducky]
    #5648718 - 05/19/06 12:52 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Have you been baked typically when you take mushrooms? Also, do mushrooms tend to increase your heart rate?


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Re: Psilo flashback induced by Mary? [Re: Land_Crab]
    #5648783 - 05/19/06 01:19 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

My first time tryppin I entered the state sober, toked a little after about 5 hours. My other few times, being 5 or 6, mixed..some I entered the trip mildly stoned, others sober, probably half. I haven't noticed mushies increase my heart rate, not significantly anyways.


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Re: Psilo flashback induced by Mary? [Re: Ducky]
    #5648801 - 05/19/06 01:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I find that marijuana has a tendency to produce effects similar to psychedelics, but not really a true flashback. I think because the effects were so similar, your mind began to associate what you were feeling with the last time you felt that sensation - tripping on mushrooms. Sounds interesting though... never had that happen to me! Actually sounds fun to smoke some bud and then have your feet melt into the ground :-D

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There the four of us sat for a good hour, soaking up the resinous smoke of this lovely baggie of cannabis sativa.




oh, and White Widow is actually predominantly Indica.. heh.


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Re: Psilo flashback induced by Mary? [Re: Ashland]
    #5648831 - 05/19/06 01:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

is it me or is pretty much everything now heavy on indica? every time I smoke, it's all that body high and couchlock most of the time. I remember getting heady herb that made you actually want to go out and do stuff or made you want to think, and it was mildly psychedelic as well. if the head and body high is produced from sativa and indica, respectively, that would suggest that most people just don't sell sativa heavy herb? what's the deal?


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Re: Psilo flashback induced by Mary? [Re: HeadTripVertigo]
    #5648841 - 05/19/06 01:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Most bud I get in the Chi is Sativa... I really itch for some nice purple Afghani Indica buds though... it's such a nice feeling I haven't had in a long time.

oops, sorry for hijacking the thread :-)


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Re: Psilo flashback induced by Mary? [Re: Ashland]
    #5651086 - 05/19/06 05:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Most of the buds I used to smoke while at school at U Oregon were like good buds already, that had been dipped into a vat of sticky kif, at least that's what it looked like. For a seasoned toker, one snapper from a bong of some Trainwreck with red hairs put me flat on my ass on my buddy's couch for three hours! Unexpected. I guess some weed is just really dank.


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Re: Psilo flashback induced by Mary? [Re: Ducky]
    #5651281 - 05/19/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Smoking weed with adderall always make me feel the adderall way harder


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Re: Psilo flashback induced by Mary? [Re: onetwo4]
    #5651334 - 05/19/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

This is interesting because flashbacks aren't usually associated with mushrooms/psilocybin. Keep in mind however, that mushrooms are thought to work similary to LSD (e.g. via 5-HT2A receptor stimulation).

With this in mind, marijuana has been known to precipitate "flashbacks" in LSD users, so this seems to make sense.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: Psilo flashback induced by Mary? [Re: badchad]
    #5658643 - 05/21/06 11:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

here's what i'm beginning to think.. so the herb was obviously very potent, i know this as a fact. i also know that from a psychological standpoint that while under the influence of herb, one is very easily suggestive, meaning that it would be easier to put someone in a real-time hypnosis and/or suggest to them their own will if done properly. when a person is so extremely focused on a feeling, say an emotion, like they have you do when you talk to your therapist, like happy, sad, serene, or angry feelings (in my case it was the anxious feeling of being waaay to high), a statement, not opinion, but statement interjected right in the brief transition of two of these polar emotions can really become quite a reality for the subject. so to take my own intuition further, when i went from feeling very uneasy inside this little coffee shop, to moving outside and feeling the relief of the cool, fresh air and a more open space around me, something must have suggested the physical feeling or idea of descending, falling. maybe i stepped off of a step or a curb i didn't see, or maybe somebody in my peripheral dropped something that didn't really even catch my attention enough for me to focus on it, and then hence it became part of my own reality. just an in depth bunch of crap really, but it's as best a possible explanation i can come up with. wow.


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Re: Psilo flashback induced by Mary? [Re: Ducky]
    #5658765 - 05/21/06 11:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Good bud can give you a dropping feeling when you just stand up and take a few steps. At the same time though, after taking shrooms I was noticing enhanced colours more while stonned and just 'felt' the experience more. Personally I think that shrooms (and likely other psychedelics I have yet to try) give you a better understanding and respect for altered states of mind allowing you to have a better feel and appreciation for other psychedelic experiences


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Re: Psilo flashback induced by Mary? [Re: StickyWater]
    #5659012 - 05/22/06 01:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Actually come to think of it the first few times, maybe 20 or so, I got super high prolly on hash or something I felt total gravity shifts, I hadn't really thought about that aspect of bud. I also totally agree on your take on psychedelics. They so absolutely have powerful analytical tools for us to use, I guess. For days after having some mushies, even if I didn't take a high dose, and even though I'm not still tripping after the night is over, many things seem to make sense and be much more clear than they might if my mind wasn't still opened up a bit. I certainly think the thought pattern of psychedelics can linger a bit, at least it feels so to me, and in a good way.


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