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Panaeolus active/inactive??? *pics*
    #5658513 - 05/21/06 10:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Okays, well I found my own haul today while leaving work, they look like my friends mushrooms.... maybe slightly lighter in colour, but could be the camera. Again, having EXTREME difficulty deciding which species these could be. Took some shitty camera phone pics, might help. what else.... I believe I see slight blueing at the base of most of the stems, where the white mycellium is apparent. I took a pic of some of the stems.
Also, are there any DEADLY Pan. species? Because I am certain they are pan., but do not with to toy with my life if they are the wrong species of pan., hehehe. The spore print is purple/black. Whats your verdict?








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Re: Panaeolus active/inactive??? *pics* [Re: CureCat]
    #5658526 - 05/21/06 10:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Were all of the prints black, jet-black? Some of those are pretty interesting looking - interesting as in subb kind of interesting. Some of those skinny stemmed little ones look a lot like pan foes though. But if the spore prints are really black, and you are seeing blue bruising (which I admit I can't see in those pics)... then you may have a pretty cool find. What was the habitat again?

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Re: Panaeolus active/inactive??? *pics* [Re: xmush]
    #5658543 - 05/21/06 11:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Grass.  lots of grass.  The little ones were not producing spores, thus their gills are lighter.  The larger ones that are producing spores have a purple/black print.  Pretty dark.  So if I ate Pan. foen. I might get a stomach ache, but i wouldn't die, huh??  Cause I can *test* them  :wink:


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Re: Panaeolus active/inactive??? *pics* [Re: CureCat]
    #5658561 - 05/21/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

one on top is subbalteatus , look at the stem if its got noticable white grooves running vertically around the stem and spore print comes out black you have subs , spore print every one , jet black = good , throw the browns


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Re: Panaeolus active/inactive??? *pics* [Re: PSiFr33k]
    #5658568 - 05/21/06 11:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Blue bruising is seldom noticed in subbalteatus , and when seen is usally at the base of the stem , the mycelium bruises


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Re: Panaeolus active/inactive??? *pics* [Re: CureCat]
    #5658573 - 05/21/06 11:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well, let's definitely hold off on eating until a moderator weighs in.  We might be way off base and they turn out to be psathyrella, though I don't think that will happen. 

And while you won't die from eating pan foen, why eat a mushroom that you're not 100% sure of?  Unless you want to volunteer to be the Shroomery's official guinea pig.  :grin:

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Re: Panaeolus active/inactive??? *pics* [Re: xmush]
    #5658605 - 05/21/06 11:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I am 100% sure they are Panaeolus. That is why. If all of that genus is safe, then i am confident in trying them. As for spore print, will the little ones drop spores eventually, even if they are not ready now? Cause they are not gonna grow after being picked, but if you say they will sporulate, then I will print all of them.
And the mycellium at the base is were i notice a subtle blue tint. My camera does not take good pics.


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Re: Panaeolus active/inactive??? *pics* [Re: CureCat]
    #5658744 - 05/21/06 11:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Print all of them ASAP. Make sher the prints are on either foil or saran wrap. Then do a simple PF rice jar grow thing and see if the mycelia bruises blue.

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Re: Panaeolus active/inactive??? *pics* [Re: DaveTX]
    #5658753 - 05/21/06 11:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

BTW, how in the living hell did you take the second photo without using your hands?

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Re: Panaeolus active/inactive??? *pics* [Re: DaveTX]
    #5658777 - 05/21/06 11:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

What do you mean "without using your hands"??  That IS my hand.  I took the mushrooms and stuck the stems between my fingers.  :smile: 
Do you like the picture with the hair brush?  They wouldn't stand up on their caps, so i propped them up with the brush, heh.


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Re: Panaeolus active/inactive??? *pics* [Re: CureCat]
    #5658879 - 05/22/06 12:27 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yea, using the hair brush is a smart idia for drying them out. But I realy think that you need to take spore prints of those on foil and make them grow. That way it will be easer to check them for blue brusing.

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Re: Panaeolus active/inactive??? *pics* [Re: DaveTX]
    #5659181 - 05/22/06 04:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

.....Umm, there are far easier ways of identifying, let alone the fact that it may not be of matter, if there are no deadly poisonous Pan. species (excluding rare or mild subjective intolerance).

Lets here from some mods and the experts then??

Eris, Shroomydan, ShroomyDole, Gumby, RR?    :grin:


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Re: Panaeolus active/inactive??? *pics* [Re: CureCat]
    #5659223 - 05/22/06 05:02 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

looks like foes.......i always have messed subbs and foes

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Re: Panaeolus active/inactive??? *pics* [Re: uncles]
    #5659250 - 05/22/06 05:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i mean...i last fall picked mushrooms like that and they were foes

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Re: Panaeolus active/inactive??? *pics* [Re: uncles]
    #5659285 - 05/22/06 06:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Though that may be a mixed collection of Panaeolus subbalteatus and Panaeolina foenisecii, those mushrooms all look safe to me. I have eaten large quantities of pan foens and only experienced mild nausea. As you mentioned, there are no known deadly pans.

To be safe you should always save a few specimens when eating wild mushrooms just in case later chemical analysis is required.

Good luck and have fun.
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Re: Panaeolus active/inactive??? *pics* [Re: shroomydan]
    #5659384 - 05/22/06 08:03 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Let us know the verdict of your identification *experiment* CureCat. Congrats on the finds.

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Re: Panaeolus active/inactive??? *pics* [Re: CureCat]
    #5659875 - 05/22/06 11:56 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I've heard that some can cause the runs too. There aren't any that are known to be poisonous or deadly.


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Re: Panaeolus active/inactive??? *pics* [Re: eris]
    #5659935 - 05/22/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Alrighty!  Heh, It rained cats and dogs last night.  Fucking insane really....  :wink:  So i should be expecting more of these guys soon.  I didn't pick all of the ones in the grass I found them in either, I left a ton of tiny pins.  I also found some conocybes alongside, which you can see just barely in one of the pics.... obviously won't be trying those ones out.  Oh yeah, in the same pic is the most apparent example of blueing amongst the other pics, but still ever so slight... A taste test will be required for accurate ID of either subb. or foen., and if they are mixed in together, then it'll prob seem like low potency subbs.  Heheh, I had a microscope a while back.  Maybe it's still around somewhere.  Is there a way to differentiate the two species using a microscope?



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Re: Panaeolus active/inactive??? *pics* [Re: CureCat]
    #5659946 - 05/22/06 12:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Panaeolina foenisecii have chocolate brown spores.
panaeolus mushrooms have jet black sproes and prints.
mj

This info is all inthe shroomery's Ultimate shroom guide here at this site.

Why doe not anyone read it to learn?

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Re: Panaeolus active/inactive??? *pics* [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5659993 - 05/22/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I have read pieces of it at different times, however it is difficult to retain all the information that is gone over in the guide, especially if it is in reference to a specimen that I have not yet come across. 
But yes, you make a good point, that people should do their homework before jumping on the board and demanding ID's. 
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