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Who's used this guide before or similar?
    #5657844 - 05/21/06 08:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I found this g-guide at shroom wizards website who's used it before and is it any good?
http://www.shroomwizard.com/growguide.html


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Re: Who's used this guide before or similar? [Re: Golden_Lizard]
    #5657859 - 05/21/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

failure is 95% with this tek, even higher for those with no past experience.

SW is a joke


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Re: Who's used this guide before or similar? [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #5657880 - 05/21/06 08:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/index.php/par/7919

Here u go this tek works wonders.


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Re: Who's used this guide before or similar? [Re: mikeownow]
    #5658069 - 05/21/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

anybody else?


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Re: Who's used this guide before or similar? [Re: Golden_Lizard]
    #5658560 - 05/21/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I did this a long time ago and it didn't work. Sterility is lacking in that tek and potting soil isn't the best casing mix.


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    #5658645 - 05/21/06 11:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Who's used this guide before or similar? [Re: ]
    #5658721 - 05/21/06 11:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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This is not a Casing tek its a PF BRF/VERM TEK.

sorry. you lose.




Oh yeah?

"CASING"


        In this phase of the growing process we will be going over how to introduce the mature mycelium to soil in preparation for fruiting. It is a very easy process and the sterility is not of great importance anymore because the mycelium in your jars is mature at this point and is fairly strong and capable of fighting off most invading contaminate spores and bacteria on its own from this point on.  This does not mean sterility is not important, because it is, but just not as important as most people are led to think.
      Step 1: The supplies you need to get together for this step are, the potting soil, the vermiculite (you should have a lot left over), a spray bottle of plain water, a large mixing bowl, a large spoon, your plastic trays with lids, the substrate jars with the mycelium growing in them and either aluminum foil or duct tape. Make sure you have all of these supplies in one place before you begin the next step.
      Step 2-A: In the mixing bowl, add one and one half cups of potting soil plus one and one half cups of vermiculite. Mix these ingredients together using the large spoon until they are well combined. Using the spray bottle of plain water, lightly spray the mixture and stir with the large spoon several times until the mixture is moistened to field capacity, meaning that if you take a handful of this mixture in your hand and squeeze it into a ball it will hold its shape but no water will drip out. We want the mixture moist but not saturated.  If you accidently add too much water you can add small amounts of dry soil until the moisture content is corrected.
Step 2-B: Take each of your plastic growing trays and cover all four sides with either duct tape or aluminum foil from top to bottom (I prefer duct tape because it stays in place).  The purpose of this is simple and very important for successful fruiting.  Mycelium does not use light for photosynthesis like plants do, but they do need some light. Mycelium grows under the soil but does not produce mushrooms until it sees light. Seeing this light tells the mycelium that it has reached the surface of the soil so it can grow mushrooms.  It is this "light trigger effect" that keeps mushrooms from growing under the soil where they would be wasted.  If light is allowed to shine through the sides of your trays, where it would actually be shining below the top of the soil, you will get mushrooms growing below the soil (something you do not want to happen).  By blocking light from shining through the sides of your tray, with either aluminum foil or duct tape, you will make sure that all of your shrooms grow upwards above the soil.  Doing this will also make sure that your mushrooms grow in different places throughout your tray.  If light is allowed to shine through the sides of your tray you will only have mushrooms growing around the sides of your tray and not in the center resulting in smaller harvests.
      Step 3: Dump this soil/vermiculite/water mixture into one of the trays and spread it level on the bottom (at least one inch deep) but do not pack it down. Remove the lids from two or three of your colonized substrate/mycelium jars and dump the contents on top of the soil mixture on the bottom of the tray. Using freshly washed hands, crumble the mycelium/substrate cakes into small pieces (about the size of marbles) and spread them out into an even layer on top of the soil/vermiculite/water layer.
      Step 4: Put 3 cups of plain potting soil into the mixing bowl. Using the spray water bottle and the large spoon, spray and mix back and forth until your soil as reached the field capacity stage (as described in step 2). Pour this into the tray on top of the crumbled mycelium/substrate cakes and spread level with the spoon or your cleaned hands. What you should have now is a three layer sandwich. Bottom layer being premoistened soil/vermiculite, center layer being crumbled up mycelium/substrate cakes and top layer being plain premoistened soil. Put the lid on the tray and repeat this process with your other jars and trays until you have all of your jars cased.
      Step 5: Place these filled and covered trays in a closet, under your bed or in a dresser drawer and leave them alone for seven days at room temperature. They do not require any light or watering during this time, but if they do get light it is alright, its just not necessary.

  ADDITION #5:  This step is not necessary but it could help you have a better chance of harvesting a nice crop.  The soil that you will be using in your fruiting trays can easily be sterilized by spreading it onto a cookie sheet and baking it in an oven at 325 degrees for 15 minutes before you add the vermiculite and water to it.  By doing this you will kill any contaminates that could be hiding in it from when you purchased it.  Remember, sterility is always important when cultivating mushrooms of any kind.  By taking the extra time to be careful you could possibly be saving yourself from losing everything to a foreign contaminate attack.


This guy says to use potting soil and plain water to case above and below the crumbled PF cakes- NOT STERILE. He states that you can, but it isn't neccessary to sterilize the casing mix. He states to place these cased cakes in a sealed container, with no type of polyfil, micropore, etc. This causes stagnant air where contaminants thrive, especially in the "optionally sterilized" casing mix. Growth is slow without gas exchange, further helping contaminants get a foothold.

Edit: There was a little misunderstanding here, my apologies! :grin:


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Re: Who's used this guide before or similar? [Re: Golden_Lizard]
    #5658857 - 05/22/06 12:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Golden_Lizard said:

I found this g-guide at shroom wizards website who's used it before and is it any good?
http://www.shroomwizard.com/growguide.html





Possible the worst peice of shit tek ever written...

I have heard nothing but complaints about it for years!~

:crazy:


I say pass on trying that!~



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    #5659053 - 05/22/06 02:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Who's used this guide before or similar? [Re: ]
    #5659318 - 05/22/06 07:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

In that case, my apologies! :wink:

In the future, look at the "Re:" above the post. It shows you who I am replying to.


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Re: Who's used this guide before or similar? [Re: FooMan]
    #5660767 - 05/22/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Does this tek really suck?


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Re: Who's used this guide before or similar? [Re: Golden_Lizard]
    #5660779 - 05/22/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

after a page worth of negative replies im surprised you even asked that question.

answer = yes.


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Re: Who's used this guide before or similar? [Re: coda]
    #5660786 - 05/22/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

lol ya I noticed oops OK I guess I'll use another one.


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Re: Who's used this guide before or similar? [Re: Golden_Lizard]
    #5660794 - 05/22/06 03:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

the link to the fungi fun website is the easiest to follow PF tek guide out there.  Filled with pictures, links to resources, and extremely easy to follow.  I reccomend that guide to all newbs looking to do cake grows.

it's how i started. :smile:


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Re: Who's used this guide before or similar? [Re: Golden_Lizard]
    #5660809 - 05/22/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, it sucks. Some of the advice is sound, but the writer is far, far too optimistic when it comes to sterility. Why lose 10% of your jars when proper sterile techniques can all but ensure a 100% success? It doesn't seem like a hard decision to keep your hand loaded.

I'd reccomend PF-Tek far beyond this one.


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Re: Who's used this guide before or similar? [Re: wiggles]
    #5660942 - 05/22/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ive used potting soil 3 times in the past when i was in a pinch and couldnt get anything else unill the next day and was impatint.I had "OK results"not great but not bad.Also i noticed all 3 times by the end of the second flush i noticed spots of yellow mold here and there so i would say in general it sucks.As far as the rest of that tek,it was the first i ever did back when i was a mushroom baby.I bought all my supplies and presteralized jars from him(im talking 10 years ago)because that was when i was still a shroom growing virgin and nieve.anyway i had one succesful jar out of 24.I dont know if it was the tek,the jars,or the liquid culture syringes he sold me or most likely knowing him a combo of them all but anyway it was a disaster and a waste and when contacted he said F***YOU and dont email again.
So trust me and everyone here who has said dont use that tek or trust anything on his site.
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Re: Who's used this guide before or similar? [Re: Golden_Lizard]
    #5660957 - 05/22/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

this is what i used the first time i grew, and ended up deviating from the tek when i realized that my jars were colonizing really slowly. i made a TiT incubator to speed up colonization , and crumbled and cased half of my jars and casing with potting soil as is recommended in this tek. i got a shrooms out of it but they were tiny and really weak... the other half were spawned to horse poo and did really well.

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Re: Who's used this guide before or similar? [Re: buggers]
    #5661306 - 05/22/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I guess I'll be using the fungi fun's pf-tek for simple minds :thumbup: :smile: Thanks everyone for your h :heart:lp,  any other suggestions would be very helpful.


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    #5661314 - 05/22/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Who's used this guide before or similar? [Re: ]
    #5662092 - 05/22/06 09:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I can't wait to start growing! :smile:


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