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eggshell crystal
#5657732 - 05/21/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Anyone heard of eggshell acid? it is a new crystal apparently. I recently encountered it (didnt try it tho) at ratdog show, it's def. connected to family. Anyone have any experiences with this or info on the purity?
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: tocuhe]
#5657975 - 05/21/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i have yet to get legit acid so that may make my post a bit bias, but i would think it could be just a business move to get more people to try acid. its not all that easy to get unless you know where to look, and the market for it isnt as strong as it used to be. i can see people saying that to spark interest.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: tocuhe]
#5658700 - 05/21/06 11:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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excuse me, but how do you know it is def. connected to family?
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It might be shitty lsd, it might be really good.......
Chances are its some good old lsd. In my opinion, calling it eggshell should prove to be counterproductive for those dealing it out. The family is something you can only know when you know the people you are buying from. Plenty of people say, hey I got some white fluff its family shit. SO ya, last time at a phil lesh show: Im not sure what "family" that dude felt he was a part of but it was the shittiest lsd I have ever tried. And for gods sake every gel tab I have ever eaten has been PHENOMINAL. These were weak and impure acid in gel form. What the hell..?..?...?. SO ya, its hard to tell. I dont tend to buy into the white fluff crap either. They can wash their acid a million times and I still wond know what the hell a simple name has to do with it. (is it like a certain level of purity?) No, its a name that has been given down the line so everyone can profit besides the buyer. I like pure lsd at a high dose, and "white fluff" means nothing to me. Absolutely nothing, as does the given name lavendar. People are so full of shit. If I was selling actual white fluff, I wouldnt even mention it because its a red flag saying that "this guy doesnt know what the hell he is talking about, and certainly doesnt know a damn thing about lsd". There is no synth for white fluff. There is a synth for LSD-25.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
#5658904 - 05/22/06 12:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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im not sure whether to take that seriously, stemmer. you were a fairly regular poster on the thumbprint thread? saying that 'white fluff' means nothing is all fine, but in the end you do like to know/say what the purity of the LSD is. it is true that it can vary in purity/micrograms, so i say it's healthy to know what you're taking.
It's like saying "man those (red dolphin) E pills are so shit compared to the (blue bumblebee) ones"
then you say "shut the fuck up its all ecstacy to me it doesn't make a difference"
imagine some dealer selling you a batch of pills and didnt even know what stamp was on it... even if they claim it's 'white fluff' or whatever... it's still nice to at least have SOME security in what you're getting.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: indica]
#5658940 - 05/22/06 12:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well you should. And Sorry I dont know much about E beyond the obvious..............
Honestly, you missread my post. There IS no synth for white fluff. There is NONE. The best white fluff would be the purest white fluff.
Its just a name. Sure, some "family" has the real thing out there(because they are the original family) and its not even necessarily the best acid or anything. Its a name like lavender or the famed double dipped LSD. Granted, someone who sold acid to someone 50 people down the line before you got your hands on some, would give it a name. That name lives. There are potent lsd tabs, there is such thing as impure lsd tabs, and both are often called white fluff. White fluff means as much as double dipped LSD tabs. If I wanted to know the history of the acid I would hope Im buying acid off of someone who can just assert that it is VERY good. Dealers tend to skip alot of steps when the are inexperienced. Let me know the acid is good. Id rather rely on a bad acting job than a claim that it is white fluff. Personally, a person saying that it is white fluff says nothing and in my experience its a bad sign. Like a person who says there is 250 mics per hit. I just dont know how to respect those folk or buy lsd from them. Everytime I have had acid that was sensationalized by a dealer it was indeed lsd, but it was crap. The low end.
And by the way, comparing LSd to the prints on your E is not very sound. A print on E, much like an lsd print all too often does vary in potency, Its a good way to help know what you have though. A NAME is different.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
#5658951 - 05/22/06 12:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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well the name white fluff/lavendar or whatever isnt from the synth, it's from how many times its washed blah blah blah whatever. im not saying there was one way to synth white fluff, but i know that the acid i have right now is 'lavendar'. So named because they guy I got it off said it's roughly 70% pure. And I can assure you he is not some inexperienced dealer just telling me shit to sell stuff. I know this isn't real 'pure' but I know it's very GOOD. And that's all that matters. I acknowledged and understood it was't "99.9% needlepoint" but i was ok as long as the trip was there... which it was... and I'm happy and grateful I've had acid.
I'll let you go back to your acid farm where the greatest psychedelic drugs ever known to the universe grow in one little patch of the world just for you that no-one else will ever experience but you. no flame intended
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: indica]
#5658956 - 05/22/06 01:03 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, your dealer's dealer did give it a stupid name.......
Also, most dealers just know the name they were given. It could be great acid or really shitty, that doesnt mean that they knew where it came from. So no Im not even saying that he is inexperienced. I am saying that a NAME means nothing. NOTHING at all.
LSD is made in bulk, and sold to people all around the country. So ya, your lavender is white fluff, double dipped.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
#5658964 - 05/22/06 01:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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look... people just like to know what they're getting. i know you've read chinacats thread... names are just labels for purity levels not synth or brand or whatever.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: indica]
#5658981 - 05/22/06 01:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ANd those names are often given by people who know nothing about the tabs except what someone had told them or what they think people want to hear.
No.........what Im saying is that names mean NOTHING.
I would buy white fluff. I sure as hell would ask how potent they are... EXAMPLE: Are they potent white fluff or not. SOme people who know what they are selling would laugh and then tell you the truth. The truth does take a bit more time than saying that they are white fluff. Its like the asshole who tried to sell me mescaline pills, 15 a piece at a phish show. Without even seeing the stuff I said "but what is the actual chemical". He laughed and said "its 2ci" and continued to tell me how great it was. He offered me a fat discount because I knew my shit.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
#5660738 - 05/22/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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stemmer you are absolutely right about everything you've said.
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I do not feel I need to justify myself in whether or not it was connected to family. It was. And there are vast difference in the types of crystal, IMO. Ive had acid that had many more mics (thereby more "potent") then other acid that was fluff or WOW, and the WOW or fluff changed me life, the other "more potent" did not. I believe this has to do partly with the intention of the family and a higher power/consciousness/something shows you the way easier when the acid is distrubuted in the family style, not sold for money.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: tocuhe] 1
#5661009 - 05/22/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am sorry but there are indeed different types of crystal Stemmer, and some people do know whom they get it from and from whence it came. Just because you do not is no need to go telling people they are full of shit, I have been dealing with crys as a primary means of getting lucy for a few years now. I know what I get where it comes from and its purity before I even think of buying, the vast majority of the time its White Fluff or Lavender, but occassionally I can score some Needlepoint. To the OP, I have not heard of Eggshell. Though if it is actually a new type of Crys circulating I will sooner or later.
You are welcome to believe LSD is LSD til the cows come home, but be careful when you get some real needlepoint and assume its the same old shit you are used to.
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stemmer i agree with you! also as far as that one guy talking about purity of crystal is concerened is.... what that means has nothing to do with how good ur trip will be. if acid was layed with less pure crystal lets say 50 percent pure it doesnt mean ur acid trip will be shittier than someone who got a hit layed with 100 percent pure. it means that if they layed it to be 100 mics than the 50 percent pure crystal will have 50 mics of acid on each hit whereas the 100 percent pure will have 100 mics on it. so if someone had 50 percent pure crystal and they wanted it be 100 mics on each hit they would need to lay it as if they were putting 200 mics on each hit. i hope i got what i was trying to get across, its hard to put this into words ona message board. i love u all =)
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Darkenshroom said: I am sorry but there are indeed different types of crystal Stemmer, and some people do know whom they get it from and from whence it came. Just because you do not is no need to go telling people they are full of shit, I have been dealing with crys as a primary means of getting lucy for a few years now. I know what I get where it comes from and its purity before I even think of buying, the vast majority of the time its White Fluff or Lavender, but occassionally I can score some Needlepoint. To the OP, I have not heard of Eggshell. Though if it is actually a new type of Crys circulating I will sooner or later.
You are welcome to believe LSD is LSD til the cows come home, but be careful when you get some real needlepoint and assume its the same old shit you are used to.
Darken *smiles*
ofcoarse there are different types of crystals. And lsd is not just always the same lsd but at different doses. Its all about the level of impurities. Some of which are possibly quite active themselves in various ways. I dont understand why you people dont seem to be able to read one simple thought another person writes. If you want to extrapolate all sorts of false stuff I didnt say from the obvious point I was trying to make thats fine I guess.
I dont trust NAMES. Is that simple enough for you?
"Same old shit I am used to". <----that was funny..... Of the approx 70 varieties of of acid I have tried, many were at different levels of purity. Also, in my experience the best was in gel tabs and were so potent that they were damn near unsafe for some people. I wasnt bragging for gods sake. Those BEST kinds I have had were given no name and came from people who know some very serious folks. The tabs spoke for themselves as did the dealers. I have had what was called white fluff and lavender quite a few times. They varied greatly in purity and dose. Most importantly the top five worst types I have had were given either name(so atleast 1/3rd of the times the name was dropped). I shit you not. I dont know how many times I have asked a dealer how good they are and if they are potent and they have replied "dude its white fluff, just trust me" or "its white fluff, pretty much as good as it gets".
Your barking up the wrong tree. I hope I was more clear this time. Uless there is actual crystal LSD in front of me I likely wont trust the name. YOU can trust the name and often that wont be necessarily a bad thing.
So learn how to read next time. I was not trying to be a dick, thats just how I look at the subject.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
#5664842 - 05/23/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Stemmer you are indeed trying to be a dick and succeeding quite nicely.
I understand your point, but because you have had trouble with people misrepresenting the types of crys they are dealing with after it has been liquefied and dropped on blotter doesn't mean that real white fluff isn't second on the chart of purity. Telling people anything with a name may not be the name is a bit of a bad way to go about helping your fellows.
If the person he is dealing with is on the up and up and he is getting it in crystal form, he has no choice but to try to find out what type of crys he has received.
I am done with this conversation. Simply put, yes some people do misrepresent, some people spit the name fluff out like its candy. But that doesn't change the fact that White Fluff crystal is second in purity to only Needlepoint. All it does mean is that you had a run in with some of the kinds of people who give acid dealing a bad name.
And I do apologize for missing that you were talking about non crystal purchases. I rarely deal with anything but crys.
Be safe, Happy tripping, Darken *smiles*
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I dont think stemmer is being a dick. And, I think he has a point, and I think you also backed up that point - your arguing the same side of the argument with different points and going in circles.
- Yes, White Fluff is 2nd to Needlepoint, that is /IF/ it is really White Fluff.
However, for most Joe Dealers, knowing its 100% white fluff without a doubt, is probably pretty minimal - they can easily call ANYTHING they get White Fluff, and chances are, most end users wont know the difference.
Yes, if you have really good connections, and access to real Crystal - I'd say trusting what people call it is a pretty safe bet, as its not like just anyone can buy Crystal LSD.
But, once it goes from Crystal to Liquid, to Blotter, then passed through dozens of different hands, chances are knowing without a doubt what Crystal is on that paper, is pretty slim.
If I was to buy LSD from some guy at a Festival/club/rave and they told me it was 'white fluff' - I would take it with a grain of salt as I'd have my doubts that he's high up enough in the chain of things to know for certian what is actually on that blotter. It could very well be white fluff, but I'd have my doubts that he'd know it 100% for sure, without a doubt what's on there.
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yep
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
#5664968 - 05/23/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: LedHead]
#5665166 - 05/23/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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ANyone ever had gels that still have the inoculation point in each tab? Im very curious...........
Well, I had never seen it before and probably wont see it again. AN easy 200 mics per hit of the purest of the pure. It was between the people who made it, the guy who liquified it(possibly the same people), and my friend who frequents a certain place in europe. In America it was inoculated into gels and re-sold. Thats about as high up there as I have seen. It was the best I have seen BY FAR. It had no given name. No "family". It was made by masters who probably would rather not be associated with any run of the mill names. They could sell them for 10 a piece easily or five for a half hit. The dealer in the US was making big bucks when selling it for 5 though, go figure. We got them for 2.50 per hit. So a sheet was nothing. NO name, and no reason to name it white fluff though it was FAR better that the best white fluff I have had. Im actually pretty sure it was alot more pure than any of the almost 70 varieties I have tried. Around the 98% mark........ NO name just the best.
I was just wondering if people have had similare gels..... They were so potent and pure that they were almost a crime against the buyers. Most people thought 1/2 hit was phenomenal. For those who took one hit, well, they were most likely used to realy impure low dose stuff. SO afew people freaked out and needed assistance. Anyone selling this shit would most certainly let people know how good it was. They were more than convincing, as were we. No fault of ours if someone had a bad trip. They knew.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
#5665227 - 05/23/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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stemmer said: The dealer in the US was making big bucks when selling it for 5 though, go figure. We got them for 2.50 per hit. So a sheet was nothing.
First off, that's a rip-off. $2.50/hit? In bulk? Bwahahahahahahaha
Anyway, back to geltabs, they're a gamble just like any other form. I've had amazing gels, and I've had horrible gels... I still prefer liquid over anything else.
Edit: Oh and Eggshell crystal? I don't think so...
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]stemmer said: Ya I was asking about the inoculation point.....
Sorry, I meant that thats what it costed for us to try out our friends brothers shit first. It was more like 2 dollars, which was more than a bargain considering the potency and purity. "someone" could sell 200 mics per tab for 10 dollars easily.
And for most people, 2.50 is not so bad when buying in bulk anyways.
As far as I know geltabs aren't "inoculated." Rather, I believe, it's just a liquid form of LSD mixed with gelatin at a certain ratio. Anyone have any info on this?
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: billy cuts]
#5665283 - 05/23/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well you dont know the same people I do. You can inoculate lsd into a gel, and you can hear this and then see gels where every hit is inoculated. Thats why I asked the question...... Ya, I was asking about the inoculation point..... How many types of syringes are out there. And yes each tab was the best of the best but they were not equal in srength. That did suck...
Sorry, I meant that thats what it costed for us to try out our friends brothers shit first. It was more like 2 dollars, which was more than a bargain considering the potency and purity(these guy knew what they were selling). "someone" could sell 200 mics per tab for 10 dollars easily.
And for most people, 2.50 is not so bad when buying in bulk anyways. DO you have any idea how much lsd goes for in the right places. Well, in my town for years it has been 5-8 dollars per hit depending on how good it is. Also, its not very hairy of a situation to be selling LSD. If you can make enough money to stock up on the best shit ever, then cheers to you.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
#5665335 - 05/23/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ah yeah, I was correct -
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Also known as "window panes". Gelatin LSD is made by mixing liquid LSD with gelatin and forming it into small, thin squares. The benefit of this method is that less of the LSD is exposed to sun and air which break down lysergic acid diethylamide. A single square of gelatin is commonly stronger than a single blotter tab of LSD. (Rough estimate 50 - 150 ug per square).
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: billy cuts]
#5665353 - 05/23/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ya, I was asking about the inoculation point..... How many types of syringes are out there. And yes each tab was the best of the best but they were not equal in srength. That did suck...
and, I know how it was made, almost for sure. It was a super high dose per tab, and I was told how they made them. Im sure this is uncommon. Thats why I asked about inoculation points.
What you just said was obvious, very common. I wouldnt have asked people who didnt know that a mix was simply set into a mold.
This was a very strange circumstance. Who would inoculate each point. Well I know these sheets pretty well, and they might have just done the right thing and made a mix eventually. The first ones we got had inoculation points on them.
Thats why I asked though. It seems crazy. Maybe those points were part of the original mold. You could be right though like I was saying. Those points could have been anything. I was just wondering, actually asking a question about inoculation points. That must certainly be uncommon, and thats why I said I have never seen that before.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
#5665392 - 05/23/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm guessing the points were part of the mold. I can't see liquid being added to geltabs after they're formed, simply because the gelatin would break down.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: billy cuts]
#5665411 - 05/23/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I meant right after it has been poured(I dont know how long it takes for the typical gel to dry)... Thanks for your good info. I knew that is how they are often made, but I was not sure and have never been too sure about them having been directly inoculated. It could have just been a shitty mold with one dot somewhere in the middle of each molded hit. Thanks again, I will never stop searching for info on why these tabs were most potent, and most pure.
I had a feeling it was the typical flawed mold. I dont think anyone would have said the same thing as I did about inoculation. Thats why I asked. Its possible, but time consuming. So it is unlikely.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
#5665647 - 05/23/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah enough of these stupid names.
I want LSD-25.
You don't need to convince me to buy it, with silly stupid names and talk of seeing gnomes, I'll buy it if it's LSD.
Buy your LSD from the dude that says it's LSD and admits there's about 100 micrograms per hit. You're typically not going to find higher and people who state their LSD has like 300 micrograms are usually full of shit.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer] 1
#5665774 - 05/23/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I like pure lsd at a high dose, and "white fluff" means nothing to me. Absolutely nothing, as does the given name lavendar.
It would mean alot to you if you had a chance to choose between buying a jar with ten grams of beautiful white fluff and 10 grams of dark lavender that had not been washed. At that level the difference in purity adds up to alot in terms of how much product you have. A jar of real white fluff has alot more LSD-25 in it then a jar of Lavender. There could be several grams difference in actual LSD-25 contained between the two 10 jars. Though I agree if your buying doses off the lot the person selling them has little idea what they have and most of them will just say whatever they think will sell.
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People are so full of shit. If I was selling actual white fluff, I wouldnt even mention it because its a red flag saying that "this guy doesnt know what the hell he is talking about, and certainly doesnt know a damn thing about lsd".
The names given to the crystal have to do with the crystals apperance. Such as the size and formation of the crystals. The hue or colors ext, ext. Unless your buying the crystal or are buying from honest folks you don't know what kind it is. Quote:
There is no synth for white fluff. There is a synth for LSD-25.
There are two synthesis that if done correctly will produce white fluff crystals. The name white fluff has do do with the way the crystal form. They are large flakes that look different then other crystals of the same purity(ie needlepoint). That might not make a difference to anyone other then those who deal in crystal becuase they know if there buying fluff crystal they know where it came from and how it was made. The are many different ways to make LSD-25 and many different variations on those synthesis. The difference is in the chromatography column. In fact this is were most of the differences in crystal come about. The methanol washes at the end will clean it up, but the biggest difference in purity is made in CC.
As for this "eggshell acid" it's just a sales gimmick.
Below is a link to my thread on differnt crystal types. This information doesn't come from lot gossip, but actual work with the crystals. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=ODD&Number=1287892&page=1&fpart=1
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: chinacat72]
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For having taken that much acid chinacat, you certainly cant read any better. Dude you cant prove anything to me that I value. Your the "thumb print guy" and Im sure what every purity level you ate in such doses was somewhat accurate, and they might have given it a name.
People have no way of being honest unless they trust the dealer or know the facts themselves......man.
Thats why these names bite buyers in the ass so often.
Im not even playing devils advocate when I say: You took your high doses, and you claim to know that eggshell is a gimmick. Maybe its not. Maybe it is the same type of name you heard in your psychedelic past. I have never heard of it. Neither have you. That doesnt make some name more likely to be an accurate reflection of potency or more importantly, the purity. You think there are only a few names for LSD-25 given their levels of purity. I say, some would rather not sensationalize the level of purity through use of a NAME. It mostly just bits people in the ass. You worked with pure crystal though, so that makes you allowed to be the third person to take what I said out of context.
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billy cuts said: I'm guessing the points were part of the mold. I can't see liquid being added to geltabs after they're formed, simply because the gelatin would break down.
That would make no sense. Most folks (or the few) who make gels make about 100,000 at a time. Could you imagine inoclulating that many witha syringe. My guess is somebody was making gels and got a little high and messed up there matth and the gels came out a little weak so they tried to strenghten them(which it sounds like they suceeded). Thats the only reason I could see that being done. Perhaps a amatuer who had been working with blotter tried to make gels for their first time. I could see no ther reason becuase it would be much, much more easy and just as effective to put the end dosage into the gelatin mix and do it the traditional way. Though I'm following your guess it was part of the mold. The mold used to make gels is flourecent light covers. There cheap and could have had a little point were the hole was that made it look like an inoculation point. Who knows? I have never heard of it being done.
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stemmer said: For having taken that much acid chinacat, you certainly cant read any better. Dude you cant prove anything to me that I value. Your the "thumb print guy" and Im sure what every purity level you ate in such doses was somewhat accurate, and they might have given it a name.
People have no way of being honest unless they trust the dealer or know the facts themselves......man.
Thats why these names bite buyers in the ass so often.
Im not even playing devils advocate when I say: You took your high doses, and you claim to know that eggshell is a gimmick. Maybe its not. Maybe it is the same type of name you heard in your psychedelic past. I have never heard of it. Neither have you. That doesnt make some name more likely to be an accurate reflection of potency or more importantly, the purity. You think there are only a few names for LSD-25 given their levels of purity. I say, some would rather not sensationalize the level of purity through use of a NAME. It mostly just bits people in the ass. You worked with pure crystal though, so that makes you allowed to be the third person to take what I said out of context.
Were talking about completely different levels. I wouldn't trust a "name" from some body slinging doses on the lot. The "names" are given so the people who work with the crystal know what there getting from the lab. The names have leaked down and are now used as ways of making sales.
A perfect case is I was at a show in the late 80's and a guy came up to me and asked if I wanted to buy some fluff doses. Jokingly I asked what kind they were and he showed them to me. I had to walk away laughing becuase they were amber doses I had layed 2 days before.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: chinacat72]
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
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Yep, again - people arguing the same thing. I get what stemmer is saying, I also get what chinacat and the others are saying - its pretty much the same thing.
If you are high up in the LSD chain like Chinacat was, and actually working with crystal/etc and that invloved with the family : you can pretty much trust what names people give things. And, the names actually mean things.
But, once you get down to joe user level, and as china perfectly gave an example for (and I also think what stemmer is trying to say) : names mean jack shit.
Anyone can say any name to 'make the sale' -- it could be an upright dishonest dealer, or simply someone who doesnt know any better, or someone just repeating what they have been told if its accurate or not.
As much as everyone would like to think that the blotter sitting in their freezer right now is white fluff - unless you got it from someone pretty close to the source of it, knowing that 100% for sure isnt going to happen.
Not all LSD is the same, not all of it is of the same quality/purity and not all LSD is the 'best LSD avail'. Once you start to get down to street level / people selling hits at clubs / etc - the names become increasingly meaningless and increasingly said just to try and make the sale. Could it be accurate? yes - but is there a chance its just an outright guess or lie? yes.
And, once one print gets well-known for being pure/good/etc, it becomes awfully easy for other people to piggyback off that - pick up the same blotter and lay whatever the hell they want on it.
If white unperfs get wellknown for being 'fluff, really pure/good' - its not too hard for someone to snag up some white unperf blotter paper and lay whatever the hell they want down on it and say "Hey, this is white fluff" and ride off of the namesake of people hearing 'oh, I hear this white unperf stuff is really good'.
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If you are high up in the LSD chain like Chinacat was, and actually working with crystal/etc and that invloved with the family : you can pretty much trust what names people give things. And, the names actually mean things.
Thats true and there are several reasons why. First it's becuase there is a high level of trust. Secondly and most important is if someone says they have twenty grams of white fluff for sale and I come over to buy a couple I can tell with my jewlers glass if it really is or not. If they hand me a jar of dark brown amber then they are obviously bullshitting me. On the other hand if somebody says they have some blotter that is white fluff I have absolutaly no way of knowing for sure that it is becuase I can't see the crystal.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: chinacat72]
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unless you just layed it two days prior that is :P
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In that case I doubt I would be buying it.  On Dead tour when your buying large amounts and have been around awhile you can even trust buying blotter becuase it's such a tight knit group that a bluff would be called. Once it starts trickling down the chain though it gets twisted around alot. In my younger years decades ago I bought LSD and had no clue as to what it actually was. I remember in the early 80's getting some LSD and the guy was said it was needlepoint and replied I didn't want whatever that was I wanted LSD. He just laughed.
Now days there is even more dishonesty in the scene. Everyone claims to be family. People sell RC's and weak doses. I'm glad I retired years ago.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: LedHead]
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chinacat, just wondering what your thoughts are on how the 'impurities' in LSD can affect the trip if at all?
Some trips are very clean and pleasant feeling, while others feel more pushy/sinister/speedy/etc, while others may be heavier in the visuals than others.
Is this simply a matter of set/setting? or could the impurities/byproducts of an LSD synth leave compounds left that could alter a trip in various ways?
I've probably tripped off of 6 different blotters now, and each blotter is different in their own way it seems -- all still very much LSD-like. However, there are differences between each batch (some subtle, some not so subtle)
Now, there is always the chance one of those batches /could/ of been a RC I suppose, but lacking of taste combined with come up / duration / comedown / etc all match up with what LSD *should* be.
Its not like each trip within a batch was different - it was like, Batch A had B characteristic which was common in each trip. While Batch C may of lacked B, but had D which was consistent between each trip.
Is this simply a case of set/setting? (which I doubt due to the consistency of the X variable in each different batch), or can impurities / byproducts of a synch alter a trip in subtle ways?
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: kaniz]
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I wish I could find the totally trustworthy link that provides information on the 25 or so likely chemical impurities that can "possibly" effect the experience.
Its no shit that at least a few of them do effect the body, and some may effect the mind. Might make you feel like you are taking some pure form of lsa, not lsd-25. SOrry though I cant find it. Its legit. Its common sense though,...... that similare related compounds can easily illicit strange physical effects. Any LSA type drug has some very obvious pharm qualities.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
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yep, I am pretty sure that various batches/varaities/etc of LSD can affect the trip. Just curious on the opniion from chinacat considering the extensive expierence he's had with LSD, crystal and various batches of it.
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I too am curious what he has to add to that......
No one really knows which of these many chemicals are capable of changing the overall feeling(even the cognative differences).
I too would like the input of an expert.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: kaniz]
#5666730 - 05/23/06 10:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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But the amount of impurities would be on the micrgram scale, no? Possibly even smaller than a microgram. It would have to be a really potent impurity for it to affect you, wouldn't it?
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kaniz said: chinacat, just wondering what your thoughts are on how the 'impurities' in LSD can affect the trip if at all?
I believe in the higher dosages the impurity's can defintly alter a trip. A multi milligram dose of 50% champange convinced me of this. Wether it's unreacted ergotamine tartate or other ergonolines something can alter it. The most noticable effect was vasoconstriction. Now at the single blotter dosage I don't believe they do. If you have 70% pure LSD then your getting 30mcg. of impurity's. Plus if it's more then one chemical then each one is less then 30mcg(say it's 2 compounds that makes it 15mcg. per compound assuming there half and half). I don't believe anything impurity wise is active at this dose.
The higher the dosage the more likely the impurity's can play a role. Of course this is just my theory and not scientific fact. Alot of the ergot compounds have been tested and none are active at the LSD mcg. range
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Some trips are very clean and pleasant feeling, while others feel more pushy/sinister/speedy/etc, while others may be heavier in the visuals than others.
Is this simply a matter of set/setting? or could the impurities/byproducts of an LSD synth leave compounds left that could alter a trip in various ways?
Depends on dose IMO. If your taking 300mcg. or less I trully believe that the set and setting has more of a effect. I base this assumption on watching thousands and thousands of people take LSD. I have seen some people take LSD and say it's the cleanest purest LSD they have ever taken and then somebody else takes the same batch and says their back hurt and it was dirty. I have even experianced this myself countless times. mentel set, enviroment, and other factors play a huge role in how our minds and body react to a trip( this includes all psychedelics. As for visual I believe aside from dosage we see what are ego cracks enough to allow us to see. This is why I'm a advocate of high dosages. I like to flatten the ego so it can't misguide me from coming home. Plus the dosage is so important. If you take 2 hits of fluff that equall 190mcg. and compare that to 2 hits of amber that equal 140mcg. then there can be a big difference. that extra fifty mikes might be all you needed to break through to a tsunami of light. Or it might not make a difference at all. Alot if this all plays such a personal role it's hard to generalize. We are all so different and in constant change wehter we know it or not.
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I've probably tripped off of 6 different blotters now, and each blotter is different in their own way it seems -- all still very much LSD-like. However, there are differences between each batch (some subtle, some not so subtle)
Now, there is always the chance one of those batches /could/ of been a RC I suppose, but lacking of taste combined with come up / duration / comedown / etc all match up with what LSD *should* be.
Its not like each trip within a batch was different - it was like, Batch A had B characteristic which was common in each trip. While Batch C may of lacked B, but had D which was consistent between each trip.
Is this simply a case of set/setting? (which I doubt due to the consistency of the X variable in each different batch), or can impurities / byproducts of a synch alter a trip in subtle ways?
Agian it depends on your dosage and the purity. If your taking 500mcg. of unpure LSD then It could be possible that the impurity's play a role. If your just taking a single hit then I bet it's something else( ie set ,setting or purity- extra mcg.). Each time you take a dose your in a different part of your life even if it's only been a week. We pick up energy's, thought's desires ,blocks and ext that all come to surface when we dose. If you by 100 hit's of blotter and trip 50 times off it you'll have 50 trips that are somewhat different.
This is all just my opinion though . Until we get some scientific data all we have is ancedotal evidence and opinions. In my early days of LSD I thought that the quality of the blotter played a huge factor. Now as i'm older I see that when I was young and took lower dose trips alot of it was psychological.
Again let me stress that high dosages were your getting mg. of impurity's can definitly alter a trip(in a negative way). This is why people only do thumbprints of the more pure crystal's. I saw a girl do a print of nast back crystal once and she was horribly sick. Her extremity's turned blue and she had a seizure. It was the only time I have feared for someone physiological saftey on LSD. I know it was the impurity's and not the LSD becuase she had eaten alot of crystal in her past.
If I ever got a lab I wouldn't use it to make LSD. I would use it to run the LSD thats around through a GC/MS and find out what the impurity's are. I have two reasons for this. First is to see what effect they have. And secondly and most importantly identify what part of the synthesis the lab was messing up and producing them(or leaving them) and get that info back to them so they could improve the product.
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stemmer said: I wish I could find the totally trustworthy link that provides information on the 25 or so likely chemical impurities that can "possibly" effect the experience.
The Albert Hoffman foundation has made public all of Albert's info on the ergot compunds he made and the tests of them. Remember though that the 25 chemicals(actually more) are not necissarily going to be anywere involved in LSD manufacture. There different compounds with a different synthesis that share the common element of being a ergot compound. Your impurity's or byproducts are going to be unreacted and partialy reacted precursers plus byproducts made during the chemical reaction's.
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I too would like the input of an expert.
I would recomend Dr. David Nichols of Purdue University. He's probably the leading expert on this area of pharmacology. I was fortunate enough to do my undergrad at Purdue and get to interact with him. He's a walking vault of knowlege. A true scientist that has a understanding of psychedelic pharmacology that few can even grasp. I have asked him questions before and he answered me on such a level I couldn't even grasp. He might have well been speaking Russian.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: indica]
#5667517 - 05/24/06 02:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow, well so there it is...................
If you take enough of it you may very easily be able to to tell the difference. "Whether it's unreacted ergotamine tartate or other ergonolines something can alter it. The most noticable effect was vasoconstriction". I was actually going to mention vasoconstriction. Thanks for being there when I was unable to write, just being lazy>..
" it depends on your dosage and the purity. If your taking 500mcg. of unpure LSD then It could be possible that the impurity's play a role". Thanks for all that info, all.....
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
#5667726 - 05/24/06 06:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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sigh... i bet alot more poeple can relate to the experiance of having bands of lot kids telling us they are "family" and have "fluff" for sale than having family telling us they have fluff for sale 
as i prepare mentally for summer i'm trying to pre-caculate what reactions if any i should have when i hear "i'm family" "mescaline for sale" "pure molly that makes you trip" "i know the guy that layed this"
holy crap now that i think of it i've had poeple trying to sell me with brand name mushrooms: "indoor hawians" "golden teachers" and so on. and guess what these poeple were complete bullshitters, these poeple were not growers. in not one but TWO cases they weren't even real mushrooms at all. both of them tried to explain to me they knew the guy that grew them while i was trying to explain real mush doesn't look like that. the second time it happened i actually got confused because maybe i figured they were selling something obscure and non-cubensis.
now that i think of it is there a mush "family"? i think mush sellers may be the last reputable low end drug dealers on earth. well i mean i guess aside from the poeple that sell one gram chocolates. or sell you an eigth for 50 dollars. or sell you an eigth for 50 dollars thats actually 3.1g including the bag... but i mean relatively speaking...
now that i think of it i think its funny that molly which was like a codeword for pure mdma (as i understand it) is now MORE likely to be a RC than a regular pressed pill.
sorry, i don't smoke weed so i forgot, even shady weed dealers (aside from the ones that are shady in the sense that they try to rob you at knifepoint) tend to be the kings among men compared to other drug dealer types. i am now envisioning a future in which everyone tries to sell you "arizona" (what hell is with poeple trying to sell me arizona weed? i don't even smoke weed and i know that thats not even considered to be one of the better types of weed) 1 gram brownies for 30 dollars and in reality its the shittiest shit weed you can find. now that i think of it this is a true story: a guy came up to me in times square and tried to sell me weed, i said no and he told me to at least walk with him and look at it, so i did that and it wasn't even weed, it was TWIGS in a bag. TWIGS. then when i said no he told me i had to give him 5 dollars for his time.
oh goodness....
on a final note i have a suspician that the attidues of the poeple making and selling lsd at the higher level affects the trip for the poeple that take it.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: truekimbo2]
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http://www.island.org/docs/purity.shtml this is a really interesting article i read a while back regarding impurities. it talks about how even though the impurities are at levels that are "inactive" they still effect the experience by being present i really suggest reading it. not that it is an answer, but it as an interesting idea
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: tocuhe]
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He admitted to nothing. The people on these forums including myself are loosers. We all act like we are experienced with psychadelics when in reality all we're trying to do is impress everybody else.
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I think alot of people here are loosers, alot of people know alot about hallucinogens, and alot of people are here to feel like they have someone to talk to when they are busy being "loosers". Just like in real life, much of what people say is bent on impressing people. Either that, or people are trying to get the best of each other. I prefer to take the later form of the same thing, because im here for my own entertainment, for the most part.
All I know is you, theHandtruck have just impressed the shit out of me.
Really though, Id have to basically agree with you.
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Wow, you totally fucking misunderstood the point of my post. Re-read the before mine, then think. If you still don't get it, add "legality".
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No I didnt, I know who you had been talking to(im that bored). His comment struck me as being a bit "off".
I dont need to think anymore than I already have about your brash generalization of shroomery folks.
Its all good....I see what you were saying and I dont blame you.
Im just fucking around.
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thehandtruck said: He admitted to nothing. The people on these forums including myself are loosers. We all act like we are experienced with psychadelics when in reality all we're trying to do is impress everybody else.
He definitly did admit to something. Whether or not it was truth is subjective. There are some of us who act like we are experienced, but many who dont. Its probably a true generalization that those who act experienced arent in reality, or if they are, havent quite "got it" yet. I wouldnt say I am a loser. I come here to ask questions and answer questions. We help eachother out and stay educated. "Strangers stopping strangers just to shake their hands" and maybe share a little knowledge with eachother I bet you're a loser though
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: tocuhe]
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tocuhe, you go girl........... Id like to shake your hand.
I personally wouldnt want to point out that "I deal sheets", or "I grow mushrooms and here are my pictures to almost prove it"...
I see what both of you were saying. I think your comment could have came off in a certain undesired way. Thats what happens when you talk on the internet. I guess handtruck meant that you cant admit a jail sentence. I knew what you were saying though. SO cheers to both of you.....
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: indica]
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Its your prerogative.....I dont really care much.
This doesnt have much to do with you actually. You started these types of comments, but that doesnt really matter in the long run.
They both have good points......
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
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Wow, I'm sorry my wording was so terrible. I guess this caused too much misunderstanding in my post. In another forum I'm a member of, there is an ongoing joke that everything we say is bullshit. Wheather it be "yeah I just started growing" or "I just picked up some cid". The joke is supposed to be that if a cop were to read these and then confront you about it, you would always be able to fall back on saying "no no officer I am a looser; I don't really have drugs ever I just post about having them to make myself look cool." In my previous post, I called everyone on this forum a looser. As a joke and also in that everyone would be able to say, "yes officer [blah blah blah]." The chances that this ploy would have any validity in court is slim to none, but it's still another nice little wall we may be able to hide behind. Obviously after this post, that is all null and void but that's life. To recap: had xk3m_indica said,"yes I am a looser I don't actually have access to acid or buy/sell it I just post about it on the internet to look cool" it would have been another little wall to hide behind. WHOOPS! (Stemmer I know you got it but I felt clarification was needed so I didn't look like an ass.)
Edited by thehandtruck (06/06/06 10:15 PM)
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I think you made a good point actually, though I didnt really get it at first in its entirety. In some of these types of forums saying your cat ate the mushrooms works the same way(the clandestine shit seems funnier that way). That or, "my friend took/sold"......
Its good to look out for people, even those who have lots of experience. Telling them not to say that kind of shit is not too "off the wall"....In my opinion. Your not going to feel the hard knocks of a search warrant for saying what could be bullshit anyways.
Edited by stemmer (06/06/06 10:38 PM)
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
#5721367 - 06/07/06 12:03 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm glad you see it my way. Not only do I just not want people to get in trouble for something this enjoyable; but that guy seemed so high up and it would be ashame to see more acid lost. It's impossible to get here.
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i dont actually have accerss to acid... it's just a piece of cardboard i drew on to make it look like acid so i get respect on the shroomery.
its not even real. its all fake. everything i said was a lie. god everyone is so much cooler than me.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: indica]
#5721541 - 06/07/06 12:46 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nah, you still seem like a ninny, even if you do have high quality cardboard. (kidding)
Edited by stemmer (06/07/06 01:01 AM)
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: tocuhe]
#11658663 - 12/15/09 09:13 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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i picked up a sheet of the eggshell not too long ago. wish i got more now. my connect who is now out of the game sadly for me said also it was from the family. although that is hearsay and verifies nothing. i can tell you that it was the best dose i've ever had the pleasure of experiencing. great visuals and lasted for nearly 12 hours!!! amazing. gave some to my bro who was taking the spiderman acid back in the day and he also confirmed its potency. if what your talking about is the same as what i got its definitely legit.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: bren801]
#11658716 - 12/15/09 09:21 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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im going to look out for this when im in frisco for new years
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I miss the spiderman hits... and the aliens... not to put down what is around right now(cause its fuckin awesome) but memories... anyone every go to Berkfest??? Like first two three years...
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: bren801]
#14887441 - 08/07/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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A couple of years ago I was getting stuff that was being laid locally and was known as eggshell. I believe it was a small time chemist who did a small batch and wanted to distinguish his stuff from the other varieties of white made out west, east, europe, etc.
Ive only ever seen stuff marketed as eggshell in the midwest.
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