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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: kaniz]
#5666477 - 05/23/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I too am curious what he has to add to that......
No one really knows which of these many chemicals are capable of changing the overall feeling(even the cognative differences).
I too would like the input of an expert.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: kaniz]
#5666730 - 05/23/06 10:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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But the amount of impurities would be on the micrgram scale, no? Possibly even smaller than a microgram. It would have to be a really potent impurity for it to affect you, wouldn't it?
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: kaniz] 1
#5666816 - 05/23/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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kaniz said: chinacat, just wondering what your thoughts are on how the 'impurities' in LSD can affect the trip if at all?
I believe in the higher dosages the impurity's can defintly alter a trip. A multi milligram dose of 50% champange convinced me of this. Wether it's unreacted ergotamine tartate or other ergonolines something can alter it. The most noticable effect was vasoconstriction. Now at the single blotter dosage I don't believe they do. If you have 70% pure LSD then your getting 30mcg. of impurity's. Plus if it's more then one chemical then each one is less then 30mcg(say it's 2 compounds that makes it 15mcg. per compound assuming there half and half). I don't believe anything impurity wise is active at this dose.
The higher the dosage the more likely the impurity's can play a role. Of course this is just my theory and not scientific fact. Alot of the ergot compounds have been tested and none are active at the LSD mcg. range
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Some trips are very clean and pleasant feeling, while others feel more pushy/sinister/speedy/etc, while others may be heavier in the visuals than others.
Is this simply a matter of set/setting? or could the impurities/byproducts of an LSD synth leave compounds left that could alter a trip in various ways?
Depends on dose IMO. If your taking 300mcg. or less I trully believe that the set and setting has more of a effect. I base this assumption on watching thousands and thousands of people take LSD. I have seen some people take LSD and say it's the cleanest purest LSD they have ever taken and then somebody else takes the same batch and says their back hurt and it was dirty. I have even experianced this myself countless times. mentel set, enviroment, and other factors play a huge role in how our minds and body react to a trip( this includes all psychedelics. As for visual I believe aside from dosage we see what are ego cracks enough to allow us to see. This is why I'm a advocate of high dosages. I like to flatten the ego so it can't misguide me from coming home. Plus the dosage is so important. If you take 2 hits of fluff that equall 190mcg. and compare that to 2 hits of amber that equal 140mcg. then there can be a big difference. that extra fifty mikes might be all you needed to break through to a tsunami of light. Or it might not make a difference at all. Alot if this all plays such a personal role it's hard to generalize. We are all so different and in constant change wehter we know it or not.
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I've probably tripped off of 6 different blotters now, and each blotter is different in their own way it seems -- all still very much LSD-like. However, there are differences between each batch (some subtle, some not so subtle)
Now, there is always the chance one of those batches /could/ of been a RC I suppose, but lacking of taste combined with come up / duration / comedown / etc all match up with what LSD *should* be.
Its not like each trip within a batch was different - it was like, Batch A had B characteristic which was common in each trip. While Batch C may of lacked B, but had D which was consistent between each trip.
Is this simply a case of set/setting? (which I doubt due to the consistency of the X variable in each different batch), or can impurities / byproducts of a synch alter a trip in subtle ways?
Agian it depends on your dosage and the purity. If your taking 500mcg. of unpure LSD then It could be possible that the impurity's play a role. If your just taking a single hit then I bet it's something else( ie set ,setting or purity- extra mcg.). Each time you take a dose your in a different part of your life even if it's only been a week. We pick up energy's, thought's desires ,blocks and ext that all come to surface when we dose. If you by 100 hit's of blotter and trip 50 times off it you'll have 50 trips that are somewhat different.
This is all just my opinion though . Until we get some scientific data all we have is ancedotal evidence and opinions. In my early days of LSD I thought that the quality of the blotter played a huge factor. Now as i'm older I see that when I was young and took lower dose trips alot of it was psychological.
Again let me stress that high dosages were your getting mg. of impurity's can definitly alter a trip(in a negative way). This is why people only do thumbprints of the more pure crystal's. I saw a girl do a print of nast back crystal once and she was horribly sick. Her extremity's turned blue and she had a seizure. It was the only time I have feared for someone physiological saftey on LSD. I know it was the impurity's and not the LSD becuase she had eaten alot of crystal in her past.
If I ever got a lab I wouldn't use it to make LSD. I would use it to run the LSD thats around through a GC/MS and find out what the impurity's are. I have two reasons for this. First is to see what effect they have. And secondly and most importantly identify what part of the synthesis the lab was messing up and producing them(or leaving them) and get that info back to them so they could improve the product.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer] 1
#5666842 - 05/23/06 10:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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stemmer said: I wish I could find the totally trustworthy link that provides information on the 25 or so likely chemical impurities that can "possibly" effect the experience.
The Albert Hoffman foundation has made public all of Albert's info on the ergot compunds he made and the tests of them. Remember though that the 25 chemicals(actually more) are not necissarily going to be anywere involved in LSD manufacture. There different compounds with a different synthesis that share the common element of being a ergot compound. Your impurity's or byproducts are going to be unreacted and partialy reacted precursers plus byproducts made during the chemical reaction's.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer] 2
#5666857 - 05/23/06 10:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I too would like the input of an expert.
I would recomend Dr. David Nichols of Purdue University. He's probably the leading expert on this area of pharmacology. I was fortunate enough to do my undergrad at Purdue and get to interact with him. He's a walking vault of knowlege. A true scientist that has a understanding of psychedelic pharmacology that few can even grasp. I have asked him questions before and he answered me on such a level I couldn't even grasp. He might have well been speaking Russian.
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Re: eggshell crystal *DELETED* [Re: chinacat72]
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: indica]
#5667517 - 05/24/06 02:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow, well so there it is...................
If you take enough of it you may very easily be able to to tell the difference. "Whether it's unreacted ergotamine tartate or other ergonolines something can alter it. The most noticable effect was vasoconstriction". I was actually going to mention vasoconstriction. Thanks for being there when I was unable to write, just being lazy>..
" it depends on your dosage and the purity. If your taking 500mcg. of unpure LSD then It could be possible that the impurity's play a role". Thanks for all that info, all.....
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
#5667726 - 05/24/06 06:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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sigh... i bet alot more poeple can relate to the experiance of having bands of lot kids telling us they are "family" and have "fluff" for sale than having family telling us they have fluff for sale 
as i prepare mentally for summer i'm trying to pre-caculate what reactions if any i should have when i hear "i'm family" "mescaline for sale" "pure molly that makes you trip" "i know the guy that layed this"
holy crap now that i think of it i've had poeple trying to sell me with brand name mushrooms: "indoor hawians" "golden teachers" and so on. and guess what these poeple were complete bullshitters, these poeple were not growers. in not one but TWO cases they weren't even real mushrooms at all. both of them tried to explain to me they knew the guy that grew them while i was trying to explain real mush doesn't look like that. the second time it happened i actually got confused because maybe i figured they were selling something obscure and non-cubensis.
now that i think of it is there a mush "family"? i think mush sellers may be the last reputable low end drug dealers on earth. well i mean i guess aside from the poeple that sell one gram chocolates. or sell you an eigth for 50 dollars. or sell you an eigth for 50 dollars thats actually 3.1g including the bag... but i mean relatively speaking...
now that i think of it i think its funny that molly which was like a codeword for pure mdma (as i understand it) is now MORE likely to be a RC than a regular pressed pill.
sorry, i don't smoke weed so i forgot, even shady weed dealers (aside from the ones that are shady in the sense that they try to rob you at knifepoint) tend to be the kings among men compared to other drug dealer types. i am now envisioning a future in which everyone tries to sell you "arizona" (what hell is with poeple trying to sell me arizona weed? i don't even smoke weed and i know that thats not even considered to be one of the better types of weed) 1 gram brownies for 30 dollars and in reality its the shittiest shit weed you can find. now that i think of it this is a true story: a guy came up to me in times square and tried to sell me weed, i said no and he told me to at least walk with him and look at it, so i did that and it wasn't even weed, it was TWIGS in a bag. TWIGS. then when i said no he told me i had to give him 5 dollars for his time.
oh goodness....
on a final note i have a suspician that the attidues of the poeple making and selling lsd at the higher level affects the trip for the poeple that take it.
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: truekimbo2]
#5719975 - 06/06/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://www.island.org/docs/purity.shtml this is a really interesting article i read a while back regarding impurities. it talks about how even though the impurities are at levels that are "inactive" they still effect the experience by being present i really suggest reading it. not that it is an answer, but it as an interesting idea
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: tocuhe]
#5720351 - 06/06/06 07:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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He admitted to nothing. The people on these forums including myself are loosers. We all act like we are experienced with psychadelics when in reality all we're trying to do is impress everybody else.
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I think alot of people here are loosers, alot of people know alot about hallucinogens, and alot of people are here to feel like they have someone to talk to when they are busy being "loosers". Just like in real life, much of what people say is bent on impressing people. Either that, or people are trying to get the best of each other. I prefer to take the later form of the same thing, because im here for my own entertainment, for the most part.
All I know is you, theHandtruck have just impressed the shit out of me.
Really though, Id have to basically agree with you.
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Wow, you totally fucking misunderstood the point of my post. Re-read the before mine, then think. If you still don't get it, add "legality".
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No I didnt, I know who you had been talking to(im that bored). His comment struck me as being a bit "off".
I dont need to think anymore than I already have about your brash generalization of shroomery folks.
Its all good....I see what you were saying and I dont blame you.
Im just fucking around.
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thehandtruck said: He admitted to nothing. The people on these forums including myself are loosers. We all act like we are experienced with psychadelics when in reality all we're trying to do is impress everybody else.
He definitly did admit to something. Whether or not it was truth is subjective. There are some of us who act like we are experienced, but many who dont. Its probably a true generalization that those who act experienced arent in reality, or if they are, havent quite "got it" yet. I wouldnt say I am a loser. I come here to ask questions and answer questions. We help eachother out and stay educated. "Strangers stopping strangers just to shake their hands" and maybe share a little knowledge with eachother I bet you're a loser though
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: tocuhe]
#5720571 - 06/06/06 08:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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tocuhe, you go girl........... Id like to shake your hand.
I personally wouldnt want to point out that "I deal sheets", or "I grow mushrooms and here are my pictures to almost prove it"...
I see what both of you were saying. I think your comment could have came off in a certain undesired way. Thats what happens when you talk on the internet. I guess handtruck meant that you cant admit a jail sentence. I knew what you were saying though. SO cheers to both of you.....
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
#5720809 - 06/06/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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sorry
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: indica]
#5720838 - 06/06/06 09:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its your prerogative.....I dont really care much.
This doesnt have much to do with you actually. You started these types of comments, but that doesnt really matter in the long run.
They both have good points......
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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
#5720971 - 06/06/06 10:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wow, I'm sorry my wording was so terrible. I guess this caused too much misunderstanding in my post. In another forum I'm a member of, there is an ongoing joke that everything we say is bullshit. Wheather it be "yeah I just started growing" or "I just picked up some cid". The joke is supposed to be that if a cop were to read these and then confront you about it, you would always be able to fall back on saying "no no officer I am a looser; I don't really have drugs ever I just post about having them to make myself look cool." In my previous post, I called everyone on this forum a looser. As a joke and also in that everyone would be able to say, "yes officer [blah blah blah]." The chances that this ploy would have any validity in court is slim to none, but it's still another nice little wall we may be able to hide behind. Obviously after this post, that is all null and void but that's life. To recap: had xk3m_indica said,"yes I am a looser I don't actually have access to acid or buy/sell it I just post about it on the internet to look cool" it would have been another little wall to hide behind. WHOOPS! (Stemmer I know you got it but I felt clarification was needed so I didn't look like an ass.)
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I think you made a good point actually, though I didnt really get it at first in its entirety. In some of these types of forums saying your cat ate the mushrooms works the same way(the clandestine shit seems funnier that way). That or, "my friend took/sold"......
Its good to look out for people, even those who have lots of experience. Telling them not to say that kind of shit is not too "off the wall"....In my opinion. Your not going to feel the hard knocks of a search warrant for saying what could be bullshit anyways.
Edited by stemmer (06/06/06 10:38 PM)
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