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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
    #5665227 - 05/23/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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The dealer in the US was making big bucks when selling it for 5 though, go figure. We got them for 2.50 per hit. So a sheet was nothing.





First off, that's a rip-off. $2.50/hit? In bulk? Bwahahahahahahaha

Anyway, back to geltabs, they're a gamble just like any other form. I've had amazing gels, and I've had horrible gels... I still prefer liquid over anything else.

Edit: Oh and Eggshell crystal? I don't think so...

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]stemmer said:
Ya I was asking about the inoculation point.....

Sorry, I meant that thats what it costed for us to try out our friends brothers shit first. It was more like 2 dollars, which was more than a bargain considering the potency and purity. "someone" could sell 200 mics per tab for 10 dollars easily.

And for most people, 2.50 is not so bad when buying in bulk anyways.





As far as I know geltabs aren't "inoculated." Rather, I believe, it's just a liquid form of LSD mixed with gelatin at a certain ratio. Anyone have any info on this?


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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: billy cuts]
    #5665283 - 05/23/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well you dont know the same people I do. You can inoculate lsd into a gel, and you can hear this and then see gels where every hit is inoculated. Thats why I asked the question......
Ya, I was asking about the inoculation point.....
How many types of syringes are out there. And yes each tab was the best of the best but they were not equal in srength. That did suck...

Sorry, I meant that thats what it costed for us to try out our friends brothers shit first. It was more like 2 dollars, which was more than a bargain considering the potency and purity(these guy knew what they were selling). "someone" could sell 200 mics per tab for 10 dollars easily.

And for most people, 2.50 is not so bad when buying in bulk anyways. DO you have any idea how much lsd goes for in the right places. Well, in my town for years it has been 5-8 dollars per hit depending on how good it is.
Also, its not very hairy of a situation to be selling LSD. If you can make enough money to stock up on the best shit ever, then cheers to you.


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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
    #5665335 - 05/23/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ah yeah, I was correct -

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Also known as "window panes". Gelatin LSD is made by mixing liquid LSD with gelatin and forming it into small, thin squares. The benefit of this method is that less of the LSD is exposed to sun and air which break down lysergic acid diethylamide. A single square of gelatin is commonly stronger than a single blotter tab of LSD. (Rough estimate 50 - 150 ug per square).




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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: billy cuts]
    #5665353 - 05/23/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ya, I was asking about the inoculation point.....
How many types of syringes are out there. And yes each tab was the best of the best but they were not equal in srength. That did suck...


and, I know how it was made, almost for sure. It was a super high dose per tab, and I was told how they made them. Im sure this is uncommon. Thats why I asked about inoculation points.

What you just said was obvious, very common.
I wouldnt have asked people who didnt know that a mix was simply set into a mold.

This was a very strange circumstance.
Who would inoculate each point. Well I know these sheets pretty well, and they might have just done the right thing and made a mix eventually. The first ones we got had inoculation points on them.

Thats why I asked though. It seems crazy. Maybe those points were part of the original mold.
You could be right though like I was saying. Those points could have been anything. I was just wondering, actually asking a question about inoculation points. That must certainly be uncommon, and thats why I said I have never seen that before.


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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
    #5665392 - 05/23/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm guessing the points were part of the mold. I can't see liquid being added to geltabs after they're formed, simply because the gelatin would break down.


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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: billy cuts]
    #5665411 - 05/23/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I meant right after it has been poured(I dont know how long it takes for the typical gel to dry)...
Thanks for your good info. I knew that is how they are often made, but I was not sure and have never been too sure about them having been directly inoculated. It could have just been a shitty mold with one dot somewhere in the middle of each molded hit.
Thanks again, I will never stop searching for info on why these tabs were most potent, and most pure.

I had a feeling it was the typical flawed mold. I dont think anyone would have said the same thing as I did about inoculation. Thats why I asked.
Its possible, but time consuming. So it is unlikely.


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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
    #5665647 - 05/23/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah enough of these stupid names.

I want LSD-25.

You don't need to convince me to buy it, with silly stupid names and talk of seeing gnomes, I'll buy it if it's LSD.

Buy your LSD from the dude that says it's LSD and admits there's about 100 micrograms per hit. You're typically not going to find higher and people who state their LSD has like 300 micrograms are usually full of shit.


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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer] * 1
    #5665774 - 05/23/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I like pure lsd at a high dose, and "white fluff" means nothing to me. Absolutely nothing, as does the given name lavendar.




It would mean alot to you if you had a chance to choose between buying a jar with ten grams of beautiful white fluff and 10 grams of dark lavender that had not been washed. At that level the difference in purity adds up to alot in terms of how much product you have. A jar of real white fluff has alot more LSD-25 in it then a jar of Lavender. There could be several grams difference in actual LSD-25 contained between the two 10 jars. Though I agree if your buying doses off the lot the person selling them has little idea what they have and most of them will just say whatever they think will sell.


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People are so full of shit. If I was selling actual white fluff, I wouldnt even mention it because its a red flag saying that "this guy doesnt know what the hell he is talking about, and certainly doesnt know a damn thing about lsd".




The names given to the crystal have to do with the crystals apperance. Such as the size and formation of the crystals. The hue or colors ext, ext. Unless your buying the crystal or are buying from honest folks you don't know what kind it is.
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There is no synth for white fluff. There is a synth for LSD-25.


There are two synthesis that if done correctly will produce white fluff crystals. The name white fluff has do do with the way the crystal form. They are large flakes that look different then other crystals of the same purity(ie needlepoint). That might not make a difference to anyone other then those who deal in crystal becuase they know if there buying fluff crystal they know where it came from and how it was made. The are many different ways to make LSD-25 and many different variations on those synthesis. The difference is in the chromatography column. In fact this is were most of the differences in crystal come about. The methanol washes at the end will clean it up, but the biggest difference in purity is made in CC.

As for this "eggshell acid" it's just a sales gimmick.

Below is a link to my thread on differnt crystal types. This information doesn't come from lot gossip, but actual work with the crystals.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=ODD&Number=1287892&page=1&fpart=1


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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: chinacat72]
    #5665863 - 05/23/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

For having taken that much acid chinacat, you certainly cant read any better. Dude you cant prove anything to me that I value.
Your the "thumb print guy" and Im sure what every purity level you ate in such doses was somewhat accurate, and they might have given it a name.

People have no way of being honest unless they trust the dealer or know the facts themselves......man.

Thats why these names bite buyers in the ass so often.


Im not even playing devils advocate when I say: You took your high doses, and you claim to know that eggshell is a gimmick.
Maybe its not. Maybe it is the same type of name you heard in your psychedelic past. I have never heard of it. Neither have you.
That doesnt make some name more likely to be an accurate reflection of potency or more importantly, the purity.
You think there are only a few names for LSD-25 given their levels of purity. I say, some would rather not sensationalize the level of purity through use of a NAME. It mostly just bits people in the ass.
You worked with pure crystal though, so that makes you allowed to be the third person to take what I said out of context.


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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: billy cuts] * 2
    #5665874 - 05/23/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm guessing the points were part of the mold. I can't see liquid being added to geltabs after they're formed, simply because the gelatin would break down.




That would make no sense. Most folks (or the few) who make gels make about 100,000 at a time. Could you imagine inoclulating that many witha syringe.
My guess is somebody was making gels and got a little high and messed up there matth and the gels came out a little weak so they tried to strenghten them(which it sounds like they suceeded). Thats the only reason I could see that being done. Perhaps a amatuer who had been working with blotter tried to make gels for their first time. I could see no ther reason becuase it would be much, much more easy and just as effective to put the end dosage into the gelatin mix and do it the traditional way.
Though I'm following your guess it was part of the mold. The mold used to make gels is flourecent light covers. There cheap and could have had a little point were the hole was that made it look like an inoculation point.
Who knows? I have never heard of it being done.


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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer] * 1
    #5665903 - 05/23/06 06:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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For having taken that much acid chinacat, you certainly cant read any better. Dude you cant prove anything to me that I value.
Your the "thumb print guy" and Im sure what every purity level you ate in such doses was somewhat accurate, and they might have given it a name.

People have no way of being honest unless they trust the dealer or know the facts themselves......man.

Thats why these names bite buyers in the ass so often.


Im not even playing devils advocate when I say: You took your high doses, and you claim to know that eggshell is a gimmick.
Maybe its not. Maybe it is the same type of name you heard in your psychedelic past. I have never heard of it. Neither have you.
That doesnt make some name more likely to be an accurate reflection of potency or more importantly, the purity.
You think there are only a few names for LSD-25 given their levels of purity. I say, some would rather not sensationalize the level of purity through use of a NAME. It mostly just bits people in the ass.
You worked with pure crystal though, so that makes you allowed to be the third person to take what I said out of context.




Were talking about completely different levels. I wouldn't trust a "name" from some body slinging doses on the lot. The "names" are given so the people who work with the crystal know what there getting from the lab. The names have leaked down and are now used as ways of making sales.

A perfect case is I was at a show in the late 80's and a guy came up to me and asked if I wanted to buy some fluff doses. Jokingly I asked what kind they were and he showed them to me. I had to walk away laughing becuase they were amber doses I had layed 2 days before.


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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: chinacat72]
    #5665908 - 05/23/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Exactly


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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
    #5665949 - 05/23/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yep, again - people arguing the same thing. I get what stemmer is saying, I also get what chinacat and the others are saying - its pretty much the same thing.

If you are high up in the LSD chain like Chinacat was, and actually working with crystal/etc and that invloved with the family : you can pretty much trust what names people give things. And, the names actually mean things.

But, once you get down to joe user level, and as china perfectly gave an example for (and I also think what stemmer is trying to say) : names mean jack shit.

Anyone can say any name to 'make the sale' -- it could be an upright dishonest dealer, or simply someone who doesnt know any better, or someone just repeating what they have been told if its accurate or not.

As much as everyone would like to think that the blotter sitting in their freezer right now is white fluff - unless you got it from someone pretty close to the source of it, knowing that 100% for sure isnt going to happen.

Not all LSD is the same, not all of it is of the same quality/purity and not all LSD is the 'best LSD avail'. Once you start to get down to street level / people selling hits at clubs / etc - the names become increasingly meaningless and increasingly said just to try and make the sale. Could it be accurate? yes - but is there a chance its just an outright guess or lie? yes.

And, once one print gets well-known for being pure/good/etc, it becomes awfully easy for other people to piggyback off that - pick up the same blotter and lay whatever the hell they want on it.

If white unperfs get wellknown for being 'fluff, really pure/good' - its not too hard for someone to snag up some white unperf blotter paper and lay whatever the hell they want down on it and say "Hey, this is white fluff" and ride off of the namesake of people hearing 'oh, I hear this white unperf stuff is really good'.


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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: kaniz] * 1
    #5665992 - 05/23/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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If you are high up in the LSD chain like Chinacat was, and actually working with crystal/etc and that invloved with the family : you can pretty much trust what names people give things. And, the names actually mean things.



Thats true and there are several reasons why. First it's becuase there is a high level of trust. Secondly and most important is if someone says they have twenty grams of white fluff for sale and I come over to buy a couple I can tell with my jewlers glass if it really is or not. If they hand me a jar of dark brown amber then they are obviously bullshitting me. On the other hand if somebody says they have some blotter that is white fluff I have absolutaly no way of knowing for sure that it is becuase I can't see the crystal.


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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: chinacat72]
    #5665998 - 05/23/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

unless you just layed it two days prior that is :P


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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: kaniz] * 1
    #5666047 - 05/23/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

In that case I doubt I would be buying it. :smile:
On Dead tour when your buying large amounts and have been around awhile you can even trust buying blotter becuase it's such a tight knit group that a bluff would be called. Once it starts trickling down the chain though it gets twisted around alot. In my younger years decades ago I bought LSD and had no clue as to what it actually was. I remember in the early 80's getting some LSD and the guy was said it was needlepoint and replied I didn't want whatever that was I wanted LSD. He just laughed.

Now days there is even more dishonesty in the scene. Everyone claims to be family. People sell RC's and weak doses. I'm glad I retired years ago.


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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: chinacat72]
    #5666301 - 05/23/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: LedHead]
    #5666345 - 05/23/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

chinacat, just wondering what your thoughts are on how the 'impurities' in LSD can affect the trip if at all?

Some trips are very clean and pleasant feeling, while others feel more pushy/sinister/speedy/etc, while others may be heavier in the visuals than others.

Is this simply a matter of set/setting? or could the impurities/byproducts of an LSD synth leave compounds left that could alter a trip in various ways?

I've probably tripped off of 6 different blotters now, and each blotter is different in their own way it seems -- all still very much LSD-like. However, there are differences between each batch (some subtle, some not so subtle)

Now, there is always the chance one of those batches /could/ of been a RC I suppose, but lacking of taste combined with come up / duration / comedown / etc all match up with what LSD *should* be.

Its not like each trip within a batch was different - it was like, Batch A had B characteristic which was common in each trip. While Batch C may of lacked B, but had D which was consistent between each trip.

Is this simply a case of set/setting? (which I doubt due to the consistency of the X variable in each different batch), or can impurities / byproducts of a synch alter a trip in subtle ways?


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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: kaniz]
    #5666448 - 05/23/06 08:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I wish I could find the totally trustworthy link that provides information on the 25 or so likely chemical impurities that can "possibly" effect the experience.

Its no shit that at least a few of them do effect the body, and some may effect the mind.
Might make you feel like you are taking some pure form of lsa, not lsd-25.
SOrry though I cant find it. Its legit.
Its common sense though,...... that similare related compounds can easily illicit strange physical effects. Any LSA type drug has some very obvious pharm qualities.


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Re: eggshell crystal [Re: stemmer]
    #5666461 - 05/23/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yep, I am pretty sure that various batches/varaities/etc of LSD can affect the trip. Just curious on the opniion from chinacat considering the extensive expierence he's had with LSD, crystal and various batches of it.


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