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Re: Beauty [Re: Veritas]
    #5664734 - 05/23/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Beauty [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5664739 - 05/23/06 02:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That's spooky...she looks like me!  :eek:

Same chick, yes?




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Re: Beauty [Re: Veritas]
    #5664754 - 05/23/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Some pictures taken in my backyard today.







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Re: Beauty [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5664791 - 05/23/06 02:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

While I agree that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and that everyone is entitled to their opinions, I personally can see the beauty in all the non-death/suicide pictures. My favorites were the pictures the landscapes. The last landscape picture with the rolling green hills with houses on them, that place looks amazing, straight out of a fantasy book. I feel like I could write a story about all of them.

I think above all the suicide picture represents pain,suffering, and extremely high levels of mental anguish - among other things some of which have been mentioned in this thread already. Now what im wondering is how the fuck you find beauty in that? While it is easy to rationalize why/how you find beauty in that picture I wonder what your intention was in posting it.

When someone asks for a picture of natural beauty is pain , suffering, death and suicide among the first things that come to your mind? If so i'd say you're a bit fucked up.

If these things were not among your first reactions to this thread then one must wonder the intentions of posting that which you did. What made you want to post it? My guess is in this case you were stroking your ego.


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Re: Beauty [Re: TacticalBongRip]
    #5665405 - 05/23/06 04:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I posted it for two reasons.

1) because I really find beauty in it. I could ask you the same question as to why you find beauty in the rolling meadows, but since it seems to be the most "normal" site of aesthetic appreciation, you don't have to explain yourself.... but lets say that if you did have to explain why that landscape picture is beautiful to you, how would you do it?

2) I was making a point, that beauty is not only contained in vibrant colors, rolling meadows and landscapes. How long of a google search did it take everyone to find a "beautiful" picture? Beauty is everywhere, and in everything. What this entire conversation boils down to is appreciation and affinity through aesthetics, and often, beauty is later defined through a deeper understanding that surpercedes mere aesthetics... much like the beauty of a woman, while they may have great breasts, soft skin and amazing curves, their ultimate beauty comes from who they are and what you understand about their being.

Often times, I revel in stories I create to explain certain situations, like when I am driving at 5am in the morning in the middle of nowhere and I see someone walking along the interstate in the rain... I like to think of how that is one of their worst days, and the struggles that they have had, and the relief they will have once they get to a warm, dry place.
I think too much moral judgement has been emphasized in this thread, and moral judgement often comes quite harshly based solely on the NOW with a complete disregard for all the cause and effect later to come.


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Re: Beauty [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5665599 - 05/23/06 05:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Disco Cat said:

You're wacked out. I never said you have no point,




let me stop you right there and give you a quote from your last post since you forget so easily.....

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Not to fuel an argument, but if you've seen beauty in that picture (which I have not looked at. By what I've read of it is sounds like the kind of thing which is undesireable for me) then can you not explain the beauty you see, point to what concept it's coming from and it's overall message?








I'm not bothering quoting your entire post, but let me point out this one detail which has flown over your head a couple times now. I never said you have no point, certainly not in that quote, I said if you do have a point then you can you not point the beauty you see. It's a question, not a judgement.

Yes I did explain why suicide is not natural, go back and find it. In the future don't skim other people's posts if you're going to respond.

You don't know the definition of "nature" and if you did you wouldn't think suicide is in align with nature. Allowing the body to expire through it's natural configurment would be an instance of nature. Suicide is an intervention.

Suicide is a conditioned death
Suicide is an altered death
Suicide is  representing death, not life

just think.

Dismissing everything as unrelated to the topic is a great way to live in denial.

Death is the extinguishment of life, therefore it cannot be life itself. The beauty considered in a death would be thought of the renewal, the recycling, and the life that is coming out of it. It is not the death itself. Your picture did not show the renewal but showed the destruction. Therefore the beauty you see in it, if it were really beauty, would be projected from your own mind - but is not actually present in the photo.


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That's Disco Cat for you.  :grin:



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how to post like FWG 101. No value, all empty jabs.


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Re: Beauty [Re: Disco Cat]
    #5666008 - 05/23/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

no, you didnt explain why suicide was unnatural, you gave a strawman argument, and a weak one at that, by giving the definition of natural, which in no way applied to proving that suicide was unnatural.

suicide is an altered death? where are you getting this? according to what? the bible? the great law of universal constants? is it an altered death when lemmings do it?

it represents death? what doesn't? isn't death and life an integral yin-yang type system? a vibrant flower, full of life, will one day decompose and die to become food for another flower.


here is a great explanation of why your debating skills are worthless...

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Death is the extinguishment of life, therefore it cannot be life itself.




here, you don't even equate, you state it as a fact that what we are talking about, "unnatural" is synonymous with "death", and that life is natural, and since suicide isn't life, it is not natural.

This is what you have been doing the entire time, without ever making any valid point or claim.

then you go one with your illogical conclusion to say that my picture did not show renewal, as if renewal as well is a defining factor of nature.

You saying my picture is not beautiful, because it is gross is the exact same as me saying the picture of the frogs is not beautiful, because it is gross. It is all opinion, and apparently you can't handle my opinion, even though I have given pages of explanations about the beauty of that picture, yet you all refuse to let it go and continue to try and invalidate my opinion of the picture through poor debate tactics, which has ultimately shown you to have no leg to stand on in this argument.


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Re: Beauty [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5666079 - 05/23/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No, I don't think "unnatural is synonymous with "death" and I don't think renewal is the defining factor of nature. Please waste more time making fictional accounts of what I think and claim.

I suggested that the beauty that people normally claim to find in death and decay actually turns out to be the recycling of life and its renewal - and I said that if that is what you are claiming to see then no, it is not actually contained within the picture but is instead suggested.

If you see a different beauty then it is up to you speak up and say what it is.

The beauty of the picture of someone sacrificing themselves has nothing to do with the death itself, and the death is not what is beautiful about it. The beauty is the sacrifice - the stong desire for a benefit of life that person wanted others to have, and nothing to do with the fire. The fire was an unfortunate means to send the message of the sacrifice. Hence the sacrifice is beautiful, the death is not. Therefore while the picture sends a message of a beauty it is not the picture itself that is beautiful.

What doesn't represent death? Life. Where is beauty found? It isn't in death, however death may be present at a scene of beauty.

And suicide is an altered death. Allowing the body to expire on its own would be a natural death, any other is, like I've said, intervention.


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Re: Beauty [Re: Disco Cat]
    #5666425 - 05/23/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ok...

1) my thesis regardin why I found beauty in the picture is contained in the post with the original picture, if you dont find that satisfactory, then please break it down and explain why it isn't satisfactory.

2) would you please address how a human committing suicide is different than a lemming commiting suicide instead of ignoring that completely.

3) there is beauty in death. this statement carries as much weight as your statement of the contrary. You sit here and say I have yet to fully explain myself regarding this, as well as accusing me of not reading your posts fully, and don't require the same for yourself. im willing to bet you have still yet to fully read and understand my very first post.

4) a list of things that a large percentage of the populous finds beautiful: birth, sex, physical mutilation (tattoo's, peircings, body augmentation).

those are only a few things I could think off the top of my head which could as well be perceived by others as "grotesque" and especially the latter, "unnatural".

I would also like to add as a final thought: circumcision.


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Re: Beauty [Re: Veritas]
    #5666473 - 05/23/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)



So beautiful.


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Re: Beauty [Re: freddurgan]
    #5666532 - 05/23/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i agree..... also, thanks for making a great point regardin this topic.


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Re: Beauty [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5668119 - 05/24/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hmmm..showing the beautifulness of a fragile organism, by its destruction is worth questioning the intention.
Maybe freddurgan was ironic ?


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Re: Beauty [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5669038 - 05/24/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

can you honestly say that the sight of a nuclear explosion and its mushroom cloud isn't beautiful?

can any of you explain why a mushroom cloud isn't beautiful? because, I can understand how some people struggle to grasp how a shotgun suicide isn't beautiful (no matter how much I disagree) but something like a mushroom cloud is aesthetically pleasing, even though it shows such great destruction and anguish.


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Re: Beauty [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5669227 - 05/24/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

A mushroom cloud does not show destruction and anguish, it shows a mushroom cloud. I think that mushroom cloud shows aesthetics in its form and color contrast, how it holds so much light in the center while blocks all of it from escaping to the exterior, how it builds across the sky, and how symmetrical it is as an unsentient creation... and I think there are other things which I have not put to words but could if I continued to think about it.

That picture isn't showing the death an explosion brings, it is showing the explosion - a mass of energy & a creation - itself.


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Re: Beauty [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5669271 - 05/24/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

named objects are not beautiful in themselves, the resonance could be, i.e. the personal meaning to you, psilocyberin, of a mushroom cloud might be beautiful, and that would be YOUR associations, and maybe only beautiful for the sake of a beautiful argument. Some do swoon on a lovely thread of challenged intelligence.

but to the point,
perhaps YOU have seen a beautiful Mushroom cloud
perhaps YOU have positive associations with nuclear holocaust
perhaps YOU blend the mushroom cloud into the mushroom idea or the common phallus image in YOUR mind.

then again, there might be a very inspirational photograph or movie sequence that all would be moved by (I think most would cringe - is that beautiful?).

however,
you might allow that I and many who have concerns about Nuclear arms proliferation, consider any ideas, themes, or words to do with mushrooom clouds would be noxious and ugly.

That does not mean we cannot be caught on some fateful day by the beauty of an unnexpected appearance of some utterly magestic apparition in the guise of a mushroom cloud (either for real or on the screen).

I would give it a 1 in 20 chance of being inspirational uplifting or beautiful ever, in the very best and very luckiest instance, which makes it a poor suggestion, as a word or idea indicative of beauty amongst a group of intelligent people.

note the photo fred posted above, has the aspect of vista and light but it is a horrible thing - destructive and overwhelming, more like the tantrum of an undisciplined child than the song of a diva.


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Re: Beauty [Re: Veritas]
    #5669292 - 05/24/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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That's spooky...she looks like me!  :eek:

Same chick, yes?






I see a less plucked variant above.


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Re: Beauty [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5670201 - 05/24/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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named objects are not beautiful in themselves, the resonance could be, i.e. the personal meaning to you, psilocyberin, of a mushroom cloud might be beautiful, and that would be YOUR associations, and maybe only beautiful for the sake of a beautiful argument. Some do swoon on a lovely thread of challenged intelligence.

but to the point,
perhaps YOU have seen a beautiful Mushroom cloud
perhaps YOU have positive associations with nuclear holocaust
perhaps YOU blend the mushroom cloud into the mushroom idea or the common phallus image in YOUR mind.

then again, there might be a very inspirational photograph or movie sequence that all would be moved by (I think most would cringe - is that beautiful?).

however,
you might allow that I and many who have concerns about Nuclear arms proliferation, consider any ideas, themes, or words to do with mushrooom clouds would be noxious and ugly.

That does not mean we cannot be caught on some fateful day by the beauty of an unnexpected appearance of some utterly magestic apparition in the guise of a mushroom cloud (either for real or on the screen).

I would give it a 1 in 20 chance of being inspirational uplifting or beautiful ever, in the very best and very luckiest instance, which makes it a poor suggestion, as a word or idea indicative of beauty amongst a group of intelligent people.

note the photo fred posted above, has the aspect of vista and light but it is a horrible thing - destructive and overwhelming, more like the tantrum of an undisciplined child than the song of a diva.




If there is anything to take from this thread it's that people see things differently. I don't understand how a nuclear explosion isn't the most jaw dropping beautiful thing on earth. And I'm sure there are so many other people who disagree with me. Thats the best part of beauty.


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Re: Beauty [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5670773 - 05/24/06 11:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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but to the point,
perhaps YOU have seen a beautiful Mushroom cloud
perhaps YOU have positive associations with nuclear holocaust
perhaps YOU blend the mushroom cloud into the mushroom idea or the common phallus image in YOUR mind.






I have pretty much said this the whole time in other words.


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