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Re: Beauty [Re: Veritas]
#5661237 - 05/22/06 06:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Veritas said: ...and I suspect that it was posted to stir up controversy.
I think it is the manner in which certain individuals reacted to it that stirred up controversy.
Mushman himself posted the picture and offered an explanation, his viewpoint on the matter, why the picture meant what it did to him in the context of this thread. The "controversy" exists almost entirely as your objections to its being posted in this thread and your assertions regarding the intent of the poster.
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Re: Beauty [Re: Veritas]
#5661246 - 05/22/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Scotland I went there once when I was 7, it was beautiful. Went around glascow and the coastal country areas.
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Re: Beauty [Re: Veritas]
#5661250 - 05/22/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Veritas said: No, what I've denied is that it is appropriate, that it is beautiful, and that it is inspiring in my eyes
This is a forum, after all.
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Re: Beauty [Re: DoctorJ]
#5661257 - 05/22/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is amazing syncronisity, I was listening to Nirvana10 minutes before i clicked on this thread, and was wondering half way through the track "Somethings in the Way", and thinking what a beautiful track it was. Shortky afterwards i was thinking to myself about his suicide and how i wanted to to see the picture of the crime). I click on this thread and there it is, amazing! Karma is so infitely complex sometimes! 
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Re: Beauty [Re: Sinbad]
#5661267 - 05/22/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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That was Kurt Cobain? 
Wow, now that picture represents so much more.
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beauty: The quality that gives pleasure to the mind or senses and is associated with such properties as harmony of form or color, excellence of artistry, truthfulness, and originality.
With this definition in mind, please explain why psilocyberin's picture is beautiful.
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Silversoul said: They provide a great example of how not to live your life
Hey man, by lynching a black man, they're just creating beautiful art!
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I think the argument in this thread stems from the difference between beauty that is felt, and beauty that is intellectualised. Beauty that is intellectualised does not feel good to look at. Such things are rationalised as beautiful rather than simply felt. Of course that is just my opinion of what i have observed in this thread.
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Silversoul said: They provide a great example of how not to live your life
Hey man, by lynching a black man, they're just creating beautiful art!
so, do you really think it is helping your argument to say that taking the picture, or appreciating the picture is the equivalent to lynching any person (what does black have to do with it also?)?
Do you condem the wartime photographers that usually win awards with their depiction of death, gore and agony? It is a picture, and I find beauty in it, I don't see why that bothers so many of you?
Because I like sites like Ogrish.com, suicide pics, or anything of that nature, it doesn't mean I condone those things, or those acts. I dont find the acts beautiful, but the depiction as a picture, but I probably would stick around to watch the beauty of someone blowing their brains out with a shotgun as well, but I wouldn't participate in a lynching, but I might watch it if I found it to be interesting and beautiful.
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fireworks_god said:
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Veritas said: ...and I suspect that it was posted to stir up controversy.
I think it is the manner in which certain individuals reacted to it that stirred up controversy.
Mushman himself posted the picture and offered an explanation, his viewpoint on the matter, why the picture meant what it did to him in the context of this thread. The "controversy" exists almost entirely as your objections to its being posted in this thread and your assertions regarding the intent of the poster.
Mushman didn't post the shotgun suicide, it was psilocyberin.
IMO, his explanation was insincere and defensive. He posted a photo which was deliberately opposite to the topic of the thread. Whether I fully understand his intentions or not, his actions were out of line. He also mocked the thread in the commentary to his photo (rainbows coming out of a frog's ass anyone?)
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When I see pictures of negative feeling I dont think thats beauty. Someone who ate the end of the barrel was not wanting to display beauty, I feel the pain and darkness. Oh wow I feel when I see things like that, its powerfully, hurray, I dont gloss over it, I feel it, and I dont exactly want to when Im feeling the positive, inspiring pictures. What is beautiful in the shot gun suicide picture? The realness? The impact it has? Bah thats lame what "isn't" real, its like saying everything is fucked, and girls are bad. Sure you could argue that that represents the one and the all, anyone can argue anything and not "lose"
beauty is when I feel moved positively.
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Re: Beauty [Re: Springs]
#5661573 - 05/22/06 07:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Those remind me of the time I spent in the Fiji islands. Very beautiful.
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Re: Beauty [Re: Veritas]
#5661763 - 05/22/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Veritas said:
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fireworks_god said:
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Veritas said: ...and I suspect that it was posted to stir up controversy.
I think it is the manner in which certain individuals reacted to it that stirred up controversy.
Mushman himself posted the picture and offered an explanation, his viewpoint on the matter, why the picture meant what it did to him in the context of this thread. The "controversy" exists almost entirely as your objections to its being posted in this thread and your assertions regarding the intent of the poster.
Mushman didn't post the shotgun suicide, it was psilocyberin.
IMO, his explanation was insincere and defensive. He posted a photo which was deliberately opposite to the topic of the thread. Whether I fully understand his intentions or not, his actions were out of line. He also mocked the thread in the commentary to his photo (rainbows coming out of a frog's ass anyone?)
Doesn't this just prove the point that your entire opposition to my picture is one of a personal and biased nature and not a genuine rational bitching?
If this was say... Gomp who had posted, would you harp so much about my insincerity? the reason i posted a disclaimer with the original post was because I didn't want someone asking for a ban over something which I truly feel is important.
I think you are trying to be some aesthetic nazi, all you had to do was say "I disagree, I find no beauty in that", but you had to bend over backwards to try and invalidate my opinion... which is just ridiculous. You asked people to post pictures of things they found to be beautiful, and I did, and for some reason you can't handle that.
Frankly, i dont think it mattered what picture I posted, we would still be having this conversation. But thanks for all the funny ad hominem type attacks without ever truly debating the actual points of beauty!
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Re: Beauty [Re: Springs]
#5662018 - 05/22/06 09:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Springs said:
beauty is when I feel moved positively.
if a picture of a lynched person, or a suicide doesn't move you in a positive way then you aren't getting the point.
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Do you condem the wartime photographers that usually win awards with their depiction of death, gore and agony?
No, but I certianly don't think it can be considered beautiful.
It is a picture, and I find beauty in it, I don't see why that bothers so many of you?
When a person looks at a picture of some poor bastard's brains splattered all over the wall, then remarks that this bastard's tattered remains is a pleasing sight, I start to get worried about the future of humanity.
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well, I am honestly sorry that the future of humanity cannot incorporate your morale judgement into its being. /cynicism
get over yourself. Jesus. seriously.... I just laughed outloud at how pretentious and ignorant your statement was.
Who the fuck am I to wish that all of humanity doesn't sing together like a Dr. Seuss sing-a-long, clasp hands and dance in the long green grass as we tell each other how great their individuality is?
Your entire outlook on life physically disgusts me.
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I'm glad you've found something that digusts you. It is a step in the right direction.
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Re: Beauty [Re: Veritas]
#5662502 - 05/23/06 12:00 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Veritas said: 3. By definition, beauty is not that which disgusts, repels & shocks. Do you want to change the meaning of the word to suit your point?
I agree.
It's astounding how many people (I say this without thought of anyone in particular or thought of this thread) will figure that by displaying what they consider to be the antithesis of a subject that they've somehow actually touched upon a deeper reality. If I could put it in a rhyme then it would be "Pop philosophy is intellectual mockery." If you aren't using the proper definitions of words then you really aren't referring to the intended topic when those words are used. Further, beauty cannot be sustained without life, because its essence is found within it.
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It is a picture, and I find beauty in it, I don't see why that bothers so many of you?
Not to fuel an argument, but if you've seen beauty in that picture (which I have not looked at. By what I've read of it is sounds like the kind of thing which is undesireable for me) then can you not explain the beauty you see, point to what concept it's coming from and it's overall message? I can do this with where I find beauty, I can pinpoint what it stirs up in me no matter how grand that beauty is. Of course, if you couldn't identify what it did within you then you'd really have no reason to claim that it was beauty at all. So instead of having an argument over whether there is beauty there or not why not have the suggested element of beauty exposed, so that it can be analyzed to see whether it is in actually beauty?
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You really wonder why people have a problem with the picture you posted? In a thread that was supposed to be about beautiful pictures of nature, no less. And you dare call me pretentious and ignorant?
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Re: Beauty [Re: Veritas]
#5662569 - 05/23/06 12:18 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i apoligize if its been done before in this thread but this is the pinnacle of "natural beauty to me" a form so simple yet so extraordinarily complex.. makes up the simplest organism and the complex humans here: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/express/newsroom/pressreleases/images/20030501b.jpg
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