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DoctorJ


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psilocyberin said:
wicked.
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Silversoul
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I think psilocyberin makes a very good point. Even in scenes that appear ugly and disturbing, there is a kind of beauty. We cannot simply dismiss such scenes because we do not want to face it. We must take in the entirety of creation, even those we might rather forget.
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why would I not be surprised to find blood corona appreciation as a theme in beauty 
personally I adore open form, and opening one's self up is the best way to offer good art, but some consideration for yourself being able to enjoy the reaction of others and also some consideration for the cleaners makes sense to me.
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Veritas

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There are many, many opportunities each and every day to view scenes of violence, gore, warfare, brutality & despair. It's called news and entertainment.
Why promote and propogate what is already glorified on every newstand, movie theater and TV in America? How boring and banal. Why wallow in the garbage pile when you can run through a grassy meadow?
Choosing to post images of violence and gore on a thread about being inspired by beauty is more about going along with the sheep than striking out on your own path. Wow...how impressively rebellious and different.
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DoctorJ


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Silversoul said: I think psilocyberin makes a very good point. Even in scenes that appear ugly and disturbing, there is a kind of beauty. We cannot simply dismiss such scenes because we do not want to face it. We must take in the entirety of creation, even those we might rather forget.
God is EVERYWHERE.
from the lowliest maggot to the highest angel.
be careful who you step on,
because when you step on God, he steps back on you
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Silversoul
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Re: Beauty [Re: Veritas]
#5660351 - 05/22/06 02:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow, that's rather elitist of you. Apparently your standards of beauty must the objective standards, right? Anyone who sees beauty in things that most would rather not look at is simply being rebellious and immature, right? God forbid someone might see beauty in all of creation.
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DoctorJ


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dude, she's a woman.
what more can you expect from her?
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Silversoul
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BTW, here's my beautiful picture.

Behold, the beautiful food chain, which sustains the ecosystem and drives evolution
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Re: Beauty [Re: DoctorJ]
#5660374 - 05/22/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: dude, she's a woman.
what more can you expect from her?
Unlike you, I don't have such mysoginistic expectations from women.
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Veritas

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I believe that photo was posted not because he found inspiration and beauty within the gore, but for the shock value. Oh, snicker snicker, they are all wanting to look at rainbows coming out of frog's asses, let's post some gore. That's bullshit.
Get over yourself. It is arrogance to call it as I see it? Fine, so be it. In my arrogant, elitist opinion, that photo depicts the same sensationalistic crap that every blood-thirsty journalist seeks out and puts forward daily. Junk food for junk minds.
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DoctorJ


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I don't expect anything
I hope for things
and am often disappointed
"Don't just call me pessimist. Try and read between the lines."
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Silversoul
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Re: Beauty [Re: Veritas]
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Shock value can be useful sometimes. Sometimes, people need to be shocked to be made aware. If psilocyberin had just posted the picture, I might agree with you, but he provided an explanation along with the picture. Perhaps you just have issues with being shocked?
Oh, and yes it is arrogant to call it like you see it, if you happen to see it in an arrogant way.
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"Yes, hello, front desk? I'd like a wakeup call at 9:11 in the AM, please. Thank you."
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Veritas

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There was nothing shocking about it. It is the same old crap. The composition is terrible, the focus is off, the lighting is bad--it doesn't even have artistic merit.
I'm not being arrogant OR girly, I am saying that photo is inappropriate for this thread. If he wanted to start an alternate thread, perhaps entitled "The Beauty of Ugliness and Gore," then his photo (and yours) would be perfectly appropriate and on-topic. Where is the inspirational natural beauty in a bad polaroid of someone's bloody head pulp?
Edited by Veritas (05/22/06 02:27 PM)
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Silversoul
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Re: Beauty [Re: Veritas]
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I think the real ugliness here is a refusal to acknowledge the beauty in all of creation. There is nothing spiritual about trying to just think of flowers and rainbows all day. That is spiritual laziness. To find beauty in ugliness, that is a sign of spiritual maturity.
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Why must all creation be beautiful? "On the day when crime dons the apparel of innocence..."
Edited by MushmanTheManic (05/22/06 02:35 PM)
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DoctorJ


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you never cease to amaze me, bro. Keep up the good work.
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Veritas

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Great, fine, then go watch "Faces of Death" or some other gore-mongering film. Your spiritual maturity will certainly benefit from it. After all, the millions who watch people get blown up, hacked apart, strangled, etc...on their TV's every night are incredibly spiritually mature, right??
There is certainly nothing ghoulish about wanting to see beauty in the death and pain of others...or enjoying it...or causing it. IT'S ALL BEAUTIFUL!! GOD MADE IT ALL! WE MUST ALL LOVE IT AND THINK IT IS BEAUTIFUL! 
Your premise is fatally flawed.
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MushmanTheManic said: Why must all creation be beautiful?
It is beautiful in a more profound sense. It doesn't mean there isn't ugliness, but even the ugliness is beautiful because it is part of the greater workings of creation. Creation comes out of destruction. The same force that wiped out Hiroshima is also the force that powers the sun and allows life to exist on earth. Existence is beautiful because it is a complete tapestry of dark and light.
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Re: Beauty [Re: Veritas]
#5660465 - 05/22/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Subzero wins! FATALITY!
hey, you should go sleep with Joe Lieberman
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