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Mimosa Hostilis Question
    #5638444 - 05/16/06 07:07 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

so i recently came into possession of some mimosa hostilis seeds through a trade. three of six seeds germinated.


the seeds


the plant

now my issue is, they are sensitive to the touch.

same plant after being tapped

ive done a search and found other people with this issue but no definite answer on wether or not hostilis can be this way. This is not mimosa pigra or pudica.

one of my mimosa pudica


so anyone else have any experience with a sensitive hostilis?


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Re: Mimosa Hostilis Question [Re: waixingren]
    #5639086 - 05/16/06 09:39 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I'm pretty sure that mimosa hostillis is not sensitive to the touch. It is maybe a different species, since there is one mimosa species that is well know to be sensitive to touch.

Also did you inoculate your plants? They are legumes and require certain bacteria for optimum growth.

They look nice though.


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Re: Mimosa Hostilis Question [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #5639133 - 05/16/06 09:48 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

well they look sensitive to touch to me, because in the tapped picture the leaves look folded and in the other they are open, so they are definately touch sensitive..... maybe you dont have the type you think you have..


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Re: Mimosa Hostilis Question [Re: waixingren]
    #5639174 - 05/16/06 09:55 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

i'm sorry but you're growing mimosa pudica. :smile:
nice plant tho.


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Re: Mimosa Hostilis Question [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #5639181 - 05/16/06 09:56 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

i didnt inoculate them, i didnt consider it until long after planting, but they do apear to be doing quite well regardless.

perhaps they arent hostilis.  :frown:


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Re: Mimosa Hostilis Question [Re: waixingren]
    #5641231 - 05/17/06 11:15 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Nope.....those are definately pudica(the sensitive plant)


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Re: Mimosa Hostilis Question [Re: Schwip]
    #5641293 - 05/17/06 11:39 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

lol then you sent me mislabled seeds mr schwip! ::shakes fist::  :tongue:


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Re: Mimosa Hostilis Question [Re: waixingren]
    #5641332 - 05/17/06 11:56 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Well, shit :crazy:

If i recall, those came from the free seed thread.


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Re: Mimosa Hostilis Question [Re: Schwip]
    #5641566 - 05/17/06 01:28 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

So.... we can mislabel any kind of seed and just throw it into the free thread? I hope you're not justifying giving someone the wrong seed by saying that it was free.


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Re: Mimosa Hostilis Question [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #5641675 - 05/17/06 01:57 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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So.... we can mislabel any kind of seed and just throw it into the free thread? I hope you're not justifying giving someone the wrong seed by saying that it was free.





He was saying that he HIMSELF GOT them from the free seed thread....And that someone else had mislabelled them. NOT that he mislabelled them and sent them as something they were not.


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Re: Mimosa Hostilis Question [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #5641836 - 05/17/06 02:56 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Yes.

Taskenti is correct.


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Re: Mimosa Hostilis Question [Re: Schwip]
    #5641851 - 05/17/06 03:02 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

It may be hostilis. I've found that hostilis seedlings will be somewhat sensitive but not as much as a pudica. M pudica will fold up after a light touch while a hostilis will not. A hostilis will fold up if you shake it or handle it roughly. Even some I have outside still fold up a little when the water hose hits it. My pudica folds up if a drop hits it. They are related plants.


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Re: Mimosa Hostilis Question [Re: waixingren]
    #5643291 - 05/17/06 09:24 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Well im trying to find pics of seeds from both specie to compare, but having a hard time.

Here is supposive m. hostilis (image ganked from ethnogardenbotanicals)


and from B&T Seedworld:







Pudica has some really bad-ass flowers!



WE will solve the mystery!  :laugh:


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Re: Mimosa Hostilis Question [Re: Schwip]
    #5643309 - 05/17/06 09:27 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

One thing that does stick out to me, is the hairy stem on pudica. Does hostilis have all that 'hair' on its stems?

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well. it looks as though true m. hostilis has no hair.






more of m. hostilis seed:


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Re: Mimosa Hostilis Question [Re: waixingren]
    #5644878 - 05/18/06 04:04 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

im growing an identical looking plant from identical looking seeds.
im also growing M. pudica, and this aint it.

the plants im growing is also sensitive, but seems to become less so as it gets bigger.

Hostillis is supposed to have a red stem with fewer thorns.

heres a comparison of all relevantr seeds ive had so far:

Mimosa pudica:


Mimosa scabrella


i cant believe its not 'M. hostillis' :


Desmanthus illinoensis:


ive also had some seeds labeled as M. hostillis that were much larger then these above and more bean shaped.
unfortunatly i never took any pics and failed to germinate them.


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Re: Mimosa Hostilis Question [Re: waixingren]
    #5645561 - 05/18/06 10:44 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

wow thanks for all the interest guys. from what we've compiled its looking like what i have going is not m hostilis but i guess time will tell. my mimosa pudica seeds look just like Vertigo6911's seeds but it seems to me like the plant looks a bit more like mimosa pigra, the "giant" sensitive plant. i've had a lot of up close experience with mimosa pigra during my trips back home to Bolivia. the stems are very red.



all this leads me to believe perhaps people are throwing around m. pigra seeds as m pudica, and i just happen to get true m. pudica seeds instead of m. hostilis. the seeds look similar but real m. hostilis seem to be darker.

welp, we'll get to the bottom of it eventually.


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Re: Mimosa Hostilis Question [Re: waixingren]
    #5655927 - 05/21/06 01:20 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I am growing both Mimosa Hostilis and Pudica. I have noticed that Pudica responds merely to touch but you need to aggresively squeeze the leaves of M. Hostilis to get a reaction, and they don't seem to close all the way, they just lift up a little.


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