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hot48yearolds
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Everyone hates something, even buddhist gurus hate hate. So if everyone hates, hate is obviously a natural human experience used for survival.
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Veritas

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Not every trait we have is a selected trait, per se. Some traits simply have not been selected out, and some are merely cultural habits propagated by unconscious weed gardeners.
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LunarEclipse
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Re: Hate [Re: Veritas]
#5656123 - 05/21/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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This year I used no Round Up on the "weeds". I pulled the most obvious "weed" offenders from the front of the house simply because "first impressions matter" and because I have a lot of weeds around.
As with our mental "weeds", it is largely a matter of perception or choice or just plain being hung up on that zit on one's nose. I mean, what do I care if some grass grows in the flower bed underneath the roses with a few lillies, poppies, or whatever in there. I mean, the stinging nettles or berry bushes will have to go simply from their obnoxious stinging nettles or heavy growth with spiky leaves. Those are Weeds.
It's like the mole in my yard. He makes molehills, kills some grass, but he was here first. He kills bugs by the hundreds, turns the soil and in doing so helps the plants overall. Plus, he is either cute or ugly and you either have a soft spot for the little guy or you want to beat him with a shovel.
The choice is ours to make. I think he is cute. Last year I wanted to beat him with a shovel or poison him or smoke him out.
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Veritas

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Re: Hate [Re: Cherk]
#5656125 - 05/21/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ignorance of what?
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Quote:
hot48yearolds said: Everyone hates something, even buddhist gurus hate hate.
What kind of statement is this? 
Yes, everyone hates something. Budhist gurus hate hate? I'm afraid you are simply making too much sense here.
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Upon looking it up, I knew that the phrase "baseless blanket statement" was apt in this situation. 
 Peace.
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Re: Hate [Re: Veritas]
#5656150 - 05/21/06 12:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Veritas said: Ignorance of what?
Ignorance of our true divine nature. If we realize our true divine nature, eternity, then there is nothing to fear, nothing to be injured by, and nothing to be angered by. When we identify with the karmic workings of the material world, our sense of self is our karma and we gain the illusion of being impermanent, and thus will hate, fear, and be injured by what our karma dictates.
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So you decided to stop making mountains out of molehills? 
Very wise, indeed.
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Re: Hate [Re: Cherk]
#5656162 - 05/21/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Smoker For Peace said:
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Veritas said: Ignorance of what?
Ignorance of our true divine nature. If we realize our true divine nature, eternity, then there is nothing to fear, nothing to be injured by, and nothing to be angered by. When we identify with the karmic workings of the material world, our sense of self is our karma and we gain the illusion of being impermanent, and thus will hate, fear, and be injured by what our karma dictates.
Is one moving around the world? Or is the world moving around one?
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Re: Hate [Re: Veritas]
#5656171 - 05/21/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The fact is that I chose to ignore someone trying to tell me they were moles and chose to treat them as gophers. Gophers are far more destructive of plants. In order for me to properly hate the moles, I chose to believe they were gophers. Only when I later was told yet again by a pest expert that they were moles, and looked into the reality of the good that moles can do, did I stop hating them.
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Re: Hate [Re: Cherk]
#5656176 - 05/21/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Smoker For Peace said: Is one moving around the world? Or is the world moving around one?
We are not able to discern, so we maintain a viewpoint that represents a balance between both possibillities. 
 Peace.
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Our attachment to our material nature(our life on earth) is what causes the illusion of free will, producing the effect that we are actually doing something. We are doing nothing, as nothing is being done to us.
This is the royal mystery. One is all pervading, yet at the same time, completely absent.
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Edited by Smoker For Peace (05/21/06 12:59 PM)
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Re: Hate [Re: Cherk]
#5656250 - 05/21/06 01:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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And they wandered in From the city of st. john Without a dime Wearing coats that shined Both red and green Colors from their sunny island From their boats of iron They looked upon the promised land Where surely life was sweet On the rising tide To new york city Did they ride into the street See the glory Of the royal scam
They are hounded down To the bottom of a bad town Amid the ruins Where they learn to fear An angry race of fallen kings Their dark companions While the memory of Their southern sky was clouded by A savage winter Every patron saint Hung on the wall, shared the room With twenty sinners
See the glory Of the royal scam
By the blackened wall He does it all He thinks hes died and gone to heaven Now the tale is told By the old man back home He reads the letter How they are paid in gold Just to babble in the back room All night and waste their time And they wandered in From the city of st. john without a dime
See the glory Of the royal scam
Oh wait you said "royal mystery" and not "royal scam".
Still, great song...
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Re: Hate [Re: Veritas]
#5656255 - 05/21/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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hate is often justified. but not forever.
violence has a time and place. but not the time beyond times or the place beyond places.
when someone hates me, I often love them back. But this does not always accomplish much.
when someone hates me, I often hate them back. But this does not always accomplish much either.
For all things, there is a time to go forward and a time to retreat
A time to live, and a time to die.
Situational ethics.
Sometimes helping people means hurting them.
Sometimes helping people means hurting oneself.
Sometimes helping people means helping them.
And Sometimes helping people means helping oneself.
You have to have a good compass to know the right direction! For circumstances often change.
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Re: Hate [Re: DoctorJ]
#5656348 - 05/21/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"Situational ethics" causes you to be a slave to time.
Helping people, means helping people. Sometimes help hurts, but it is still help. Hurting someone to help someone, is still hurting someone. You are getting caught up in duality by placing value on help and harm.
Recently you have been posting on these boards about your gift of helping people. We've all heard more than enough of this. You ride around on your horse(false ego), but you tire when your horse tires, and anger when your horse angers. So what good is your horse?
You do not need to help anyone, because people are helping themselves.
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Re: Hate [Re: Veritas]
#5657794 - 05/21/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hate is an easy answer, anger is a defense mechanism.
For example hate for another race, most of the time, comes from the hater's own folly, who is looking for a scapegoat. Since looking inside themselves is usually the last thing people consider doing, they delusionaly start looking for the root of their problem's in others.
While however I do not condone hate, violence has had and always will have a place in this world. We will always need police and organized militia however corrupt and unjust they sometimes might be. For those who do not understand reason will understand brute force. Who lives by the sword will die by the sword.
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Re: Hate [Re: Fospher]
#5657949 - 05/21/06 08:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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you rock, man 
you've always been alright with me
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Re: Hate [Re: Fospher]
#5657958 - 05/21/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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For example hate for another race, most of the time, comes from the hater's own folly, who is looking for a scapegoat
This includes hating Women Doc J. And don't claim you don't. You just got a thread deleted on another forum.
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Edited by Icelander (05/21/06 08:33 PM)
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Veritas

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No, I believe that thread was about how much he wants to save women from themselves, and hates seeing their self-destructive ways.
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Re: Hate [Re: Veritas]
#5658018 - 05/21/06 08:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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you know the mod who deleted that called me a mysogynist?
I think HE'S the mysogynist. He's trying to protect his little hippie free love scam. Well, the scam is through. Get over it.
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