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CureCat
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Inactive Panaeolus? (pics)
#5655347 - 05/21/06 03:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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My friend found these in his back yard, i do not have them to give a proper ID description or I would. They appear to be an inactive Panaeolus species, but I am not sure which, any ideas?? They were growing in grass, i believe he mentioned his lawn being fertilized with manure. The stems appear to bruise brown, as he specifically pointed out that the stems were white previous to picking. Alrighty, take a gander 





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LouiseLouise
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Re: Inactive Panaeolus? (pics) [Re: CureCat]
#5655572 - 05/21/06 07:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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He really needs to take a print to be sure, but they look like Pan. foen.
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Re: Inactive Panaeolus? (pics) [Re: CureCat]
#5655582 - 05/21/06 07:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yep, inactive pans. They'll probably drop dark brown spore prints. The long, skinny, frail stem gives them away.
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CureCat
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Re: Inactive Panaeolus? (pics) [Re: Gumby]
#5656007 - 05/21/06 11:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks Louise and Gumby, I think you guys are on the money!
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Re: Inactive Panaeolus? (pics) [Re: Gumby]
#5656017 - 05/21/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The long stems do not give them away , subs can have long skinny stems and usually do in grass habitats , The main thing to look for is a Jet black spore print , also you can notice small white grooves running vertically down the stem , if you try to pull up some mycelium at the base of the stem sometimes you can get the myc to bruise blue on subbs but thats the only seldom noticable blueing , One thing to look for in subs aswell is also the highly noticable color rings , most of the subbs i find unless getting alot of sun are darker brown with noticable color rings at edge of cap , however caps can turn white after being dried by the sun a little
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While i was in the grass, i picked them..
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Re: Inactive Panaeolus? (pics) [Re: PSiFr33k]
#5656613 - 05/21/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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are Panaeolina foenisecii.....those are what you want to look for as an indicator in lawns that others are present.....they're are several active shrooms in your area that appear IDENTICAL to that mushroom in lawns but they have BLACK BLACK spores and are commonly found touching the mushroom you have found......and as with even SUBBs (which can also appear identical to your mushrooms and grow along side of it in lawns) some populations wont be active or extremely weak.....while another group of the same shroom in the same lawn may be surprizingly potent......just be sure you have PANAEOLUS with BLACK spores as Im sure you can as Ive seen you ID Conocybe for someone no problem from a picture.....as far as I know there are no poisonous Panaeolus other than eating large quantities raw and active species (considered by many poisonous)......Psathyrellas of unknown edibility and deadly Pholiota can look similiar and can occur in yards.....
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Re: Inactive Panaeolus? (pics) [Re: shroominDole]
#5656977 - 05/21/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks!! I will try and get my friend to let me snoop around his yard one of these days after some rain So I want black spores, not purple/brown, and i want blue bruising not brown or any other colour?? My friend mentioned other mushroom species growing in the yard, some "big ugly ones" that he didn't take pics of, lol. But I suppose that is a good sign, as he also mentioned the yard was covered in these little mushrooms, and they could easily be mistaken for the same species. Fun stuff!!
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Re: Inactive Panaeolus? (pics) [Re: CureCat]
#5657118 - 05/21/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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A sub can also have a twisted stem as with this Cope..
 This is a Lawn shroom that I found last year that was rather potent and the stems had a nice twist also.
 Gumby had a Sub thread that was a total help as far as ID'ing Subs.. Cheers!
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Re: Inactive Panaeolus? (pics) [Re: YESSUP]
#5657340 - 05/21/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You mentioned fun.....what makes even more fun is as Psifr mentioned above..... the blue reaction (tho Word this season had Subbs consistently bluing up and down the stem) cannot be expected at all especially here except VERY rarely stem base or myc as mentioned but usually not....also the characteristic.....tho not always present..... rings or belts of different shades on caps as they age of so many Panaeolus(not all).....is also a common hallmark of inactive species like P. foenisecii.....you want to stick to lawns and watch for dangerous lookalikes and also sometimes fairly new lawns like newer laid sod in front yards are especially rich in Panaeolus species but who knows the chemical history involved like selective and general dicot inhibitors (herbicides) and dog pee (yellow snow).....now dog doo will only make for larger more potent results.....
some people have been known to have sensibilities to mushrooms like some collections of SUBBs but thats also true for some people have sensitivities to eating cooked Porcini, Chanterelles, or Morels .....so try just a little of any new mush for first time
were at that time of year where that large mushroom you mentioned in your friends yard could be 'Green Gills'(Chlorophyllum) if not Agaricus if the'yre in the lawn
when you see that many Panaeolus in a lawn that means there are millions of other lawns / parks / schools etc. right now doing the same thing and especially watch during extended long periods of high humidity with the weather as even more different Panaeolus species can appear sometimes
EDIT: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5658513/an/0/page/0
-------------------- Worlds Largest 'Liberty Cap' (Cali Libs Confirmed !) ' Comments On Hallucinogenic Agarics And The Hallucinations Of Those Who Study Them ' Alexander H. Smith Mycologia vol.69 1977
Edited by shroominDole (06/02/06 01:19 PM)
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Re: Inactive Panaeolus? (pics) [Re: shroominDole]
#5657652 - 05/21/06 07:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
shroominDole said: deadly Pholiota can look similiar and can occur in yards.....
Could you please explain this shroominDole. I am not aware of any deadly Pholiota, nor am I aware of any lawn Pholiota. I can't imagine someone confusing Pholiota with Panaeolina or Panaeolus.
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