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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: do you give to the poor and if so how much? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5656509 - 05/21/06 02:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The fact that you are teeter-tottering on making absolutely no sense means that we shouldn't panic? I dunno about that...

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I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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Re: do you give to the poor and if so how much? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5656516 - 05/21/06 02:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Faith may be the meaning of life for you, but meaningless for me.  Let us avoid imposing our beliefs upon one another, shall we?

You are free to practice your religion in peace, as I am free to abstain from such practices.

(Nietsche doesn't do it for me, either. :grin:)


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Re: do you give to the poor and if so how much? [Re: Veritas]
    #5656527 - 05/21/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not trying to impose anything on you, sweetheart. 

I'm just worried about ya. 

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Re: do you give to the poor and if so how much? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5656535 - 05/21/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:lol:

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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


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Re: do you give to the poor and if so how much? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5656536 - 05/21/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm doing just fine.  Religion is not my path.  I prefer to eliminate the dogma and the power-hungry middlemen (ministers, priests, etc...) and seek direct energetic communion with Life and Love.

Try it sometime...you might like it. :wink:


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Re: do you give to the poor and if so how much? [Re: Veritas]
    #5656548 - 05/21/06 02:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

life and love are two very different things, my dear.


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Re: do you give to the poor and if so how much? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5656556 - 05/21/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Not at their essence.  :heart:


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Re: do you give to the poor and if so how much? [Re: Veritas]
    #5656578 - 05/21/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

OK. If that is what you want to believe. Love does not HAVE to be life. It chooses to be life for the sake of life. When life is forsaken, love moves on to bigger and better things.

but when someone throws you a rope, don't use it to hang yourself. Use it to climb up. Thats really all I ask.

I get real tired of watching people hang themselves. It makes me want to be the monk in my avatar.

And believe me honey, hell is not a place you wanna get stuck in, for any length of time. I know because I've been there and back.


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Re: do you give to the poor and if so how much? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5656583 - 05/21/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've no intention of hanging myself, and I believe that Hell is something we create for ourselves (or not) right here on Earth.


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Re: do you give to the poor and if so how much? [Re: Veritas]
    #5656593 - 05/21/06 02:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

in many ways hell is a state of mind

but you must realize that all states of mind come from somewhere. 

there is a hell complete with demons, red sand, fire and brimstone.  I've seen it.  There are also Hells vastly more twisted and painful than the traditional hell defined in the bible. 

"How can you make a telephone call if you have no mouth, Mr Anderson?"  :lol:


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Re: do you give to the poor and if so how much? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5657039 - 05/21/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

DoctorJ said:
I get real tired of watching people hang themselves.  It makes me want to be the monk in my avatar. 




Sooooooooooo, let me get this right.... 
You are so tired of watching people hang themselves to death that you want to burn yourself to death....?  :what:

:hotidea:

:rofl2:

I like your posts man, you are a funny doooood....!    :heart:


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Re: do you give to the poor and if so how much? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5657098 - 05/21/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

there is a hell complete with demons, red sand, fire and brimstone. I've seen it.




So you have died, gone to Hell, and come back again? If you have seen it in this lifetime, then it was in your mind.

States of mind come from somewhere? Certainly they do...from our consciousness. We can direct our consciousness towards Hell (through negativity, bigotry, judgment, hatred, deliberate ignorance, cruelty) or Heaven (through positivity, compassion, love, cultivating wisdom, kindness, self-awareness, responsibility.)

We choose a direction each moment we are alive.


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Re: do you give to the poor and if so how much? [Re: Veritas]
    #5657185 - 05/21/06 05:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

sometimes we choose, but other times our circumstances choose for us.

I'm afraid that even God is sometimes a victim of circumstance.


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Re: do you give to the poor and if so how much? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5657195 - 05/21/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

If God exists, doesn't he create all the circumstances?


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Re: do you give to the poor and if so how much? [Re: Veritas]
    #5657206 - 05/21/06 05:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yes and no.

sometimes God tests his own faith by depriving himself of power and seeing if he can withstand the struggles of the common man.

like I said, SOMETIMES God is the victim of circumstance. Ultimately, he is no one's victim.


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Re: do you give to the poor and if so how much? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5657210 - 05/21/06 05:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"Just a stranger on a bus, tryin' to make his way home."  :grin:

Why would God need to have faith?  Isn't that rather like me having faith that I exist?


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Re: do you give to the poor and if so how much? [Re: Veritas]
    #5657214 - 05/21/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

remember, God worships you. He has faith in EVERYTHING.


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Re: do you give to the poor and if so how much? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5657229 - 05/21/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:lol:  Of course God worships me...I am FABULOUS!


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Re: do you give to the poor and if so how much? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5657330 - 05/21/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well, I've gone from $5 on my bi-weekly checks to $2, like you. I'm uncertain what the United Way actually does with the money and I've been giving for 20 years! For a while I gave $100 bucks a year, then $40. But I have also supported various animal rights groups and the Save Tibet program (although I believe that cause is futile. The Chinese have transformed Tibet with access by a modern elevated train. Modern maps and globes in schools no longer even say Tibet. Their culture has gone into a diaspora like the ancient Hebrews).

I don't think this will send me to Hell, however. Miami homeless are organized, wear t-shirts, live together in group homes, collect at intersections, and they all seem more able-bodied than I am (no blind or limbless beggars). When I was in Lagos, Nigeria, my Lady's cousin pointed out a beggar who had been on the same corner for 22 years. Apparently, he was building a large house in the back country. Begging seems to be an occupation. Unfortunately, children are mangled and deformed in India to the end of reaping greater pity and more rupees through the practice. Fookin' evil if you ask me.


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Re: do you give to the poor and if so how much? [Re: Veritas]
    #5657390 - 05/21/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

also, don't confuse the work of God with the work of his brigtest students, capiche?  :wink:

God invented one thing:  Spirit. 

The rest was the creation of God's servants.  Sometimes God's servants do a good job, and sometimes they don't.  But God's best students always aim to please.


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