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Casing 101(pictorial) * 4
    #565456 - 02/28/02 04:17 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Students open your mycology minds and read the following excerpt from your text:

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Casing 101

The following method is very simple and can be used to transform a colonised PF style jar into a casing. We used a 1/2 pint jar and a coir/verm/lime casing layer. Using two 1/2 pint jars will produce better results.

Supplies:

Fully colonised PF style jar (at least 1/2 pint)
Plastic sandwich bag
Foil baking tray
Fork
Pre-sterilised casing mix
Vermiculite
Spray bottle
A little ingenuity

Remember to practice sterility at all points in this procedure.

Step one:

Remove lid and band from jar. Place plastic bag over jar opening and hold tight. Turn your jar upside down and spank it. The objective is to loosen the cake from the jar. As soon as the cake loosens it should plop into the plastic bag.


After the cake is in the bag, remove the jar from the bag opening. Be sure to close the sandwich bag as you are removing the jar.

Step 2:

Insert a fork into the bag through the bag opening. You will use the fork to break the cake up into manageable sizes. Be careful in this step. Sharp objects such as forks can cause injury (as Azurepower found out while taking this shot:)). You will want to split the cake up 4-5 times into cross-sections if you can.


Step 3

Once the cake is in smaller sections it is time to have some fun:). While keeping the bag closed break up the cake from the outside of the bag. Try to break the cake into pieces the size of Whopper candies.


Once the pieces are all broken up they should look similar to this:


Step 4:

Wipe the inside and outside of the aluminum baking tray with alcohol. Place a layer of dry vermiculite in the bottom of the tray to 1/2 inch deep. Spray water onto the vermiculite until wet. A mixture of water/peroxide can be used also (5-10% peroxide by volume is what I think most cultivators use).


Step 5

Pour the broken substrate directly onto the vermiculite layer. Try to spread it as you pour. Make sure to spread the substrate evenly across the bottom of the pan.


Step 6:

Now pour your pre-sterilised casing mix over the substrate layer. As a general rule I believe a 1:4 ratio of casing to substrate depth is used. After pouring your casing layer to the desired depth, lightly pat down and smooth out the casing layer (some people do leave the casing layer with a rough surface, that is fine also).


The final product!!!


I would like to thank Azurepower for his help in making this a pictorial tek.

__Copyrighted February 2002, Joshua and Azurepower__


Keep in mind that this is a general outline of one procedure to produce a casing. I encourage modifications and use of ingenuity to improve this procedure.

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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Joshua]
    #565479 - 02/28/02 05:18 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Damn I wish you would've posted this last night before I used bare hands to break my cakes apart. I used the method I read in another tek but I can see how much more sterile your way would be
Thanks for the info for newbies like myself.


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    #565492 - 02/28/02 06:08 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: manson232000]
    #565528 - 02/28/02 08:40 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Nice job guys !


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: tomldp]
    #565533 - 02/28/02 08:56 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

not to bash you or anything but the baggie is totally pointless the mycellium isnt gonna get contammed as long its fully colonized, you can get mold on the verm layer, but not the mycellium, USE YOUR HANDS DAMNIT ARE YOU SCARED OF GETTING EM DIRTY...


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: LSD_4me]
    #565562 - 02/28/02 09:41 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Nice job guys.
Thanks for the time and effort.

About the baggie LSD, either way will work; but why take the chance that you have some bacteria on your hands that could be a potential problem. I think its not about getting your hands dirty, its more better safe than sorry.

Joshua, thanks for all the information you have provided me over the past few months. You have helped me mare than you know.


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: LSD_4me]
    #565567 - 02/28/02 09:49 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

> the baggie is totally pointless the mycellium isnt gonna get contammed as long its fully colonized

Really... you are sure about this statement? I have seen both cobweb and trich growing happily on my friends fully colonized cakes.


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Seuss]
    #565641 - 02/28/02 11:17 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I had thought that you are "supposed" to let the broken mycelia recover in the baggie for 24 hours or so BEFORE casing so that it will be stronger and have a faster start. Opinions?


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Swami]
    #565673 - 02/28/02 11:41 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Dude lets the mycelium recolonize the chunks in the pan (about 24 hrs or less) before he adds the casing layer. He sometimes uses bags, sometimes doesn't.

Good job Joshua and Azurepower!


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Olgualion]
    #565712 - 02/28/02 12:38 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I just throw on disposable latex gloves when doing work. It never hurts. I also like cutting my cakes into cucumber slices. I usually just cut a 1/2 pint cake in half anf lay them on the bottom of the tray. Its all good though.
Nice tutorial.


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Seuss]
    #565878 - 02/28/02 03:35 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

the cobweb had started b4 then... just use soap... thats the beauty of casings .. unless you take a shit on them they usually dont contam


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: LSD_4me]
    #566117 - 02/28/02 07:30 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

ive been wondering this about casing for a while... do you put that in the terrarium or cover it and put away? i know light is no good. i think ive read that some people people do it either way. which would be better?

btw thats one of the better explainations ive read


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Joshua]
    #566315 - 02/28/02 11:16 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Whats the depth of your aluminum pan?


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Nomez]
    #566396 - 03/01/02 12:51 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Nomez,

You should incubate your newly created casing for a few days, until the mycelium has re-established itself before putting into the terrarium.

I dont know, I havent had any problems wiht just dousing my hands with alcohol and then cutting them up and placing them in, but, im sure the baggie would be just a nice extra step...couldnt hurt in using one.


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: manson232000]
    #566435 - 03/01/02 01:53 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Which way do you break open a soft boiled egg?
From the top or the bottom?
Which way does the toilet paper go?
Over the top or from underneath?
To touch the cakes or not to touch?
Do whatever you fuckin want...lol

Nice post gentlemen...


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Billyblastoff]
    #566556 - 03/01/02 07:26 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

i wasnt trying to be a bitch all im saying is sure you can do it, but its pointless, afoaf has done it many times and never has problems with clean sterile bare hands.... how do you know the ziplock company didnt store there dog shit in those bags before you got them.... sure it can add an extra step but who needs one when the old way works fine....


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: LSD_4me]
    #566573 - 03/01/02 08:13 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

>how do you know the ziplock company didnt store there
>dog shit in those bags before you got them....

Use your head, man. Use your head......


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: LSD_4me] * 1
    #566580 - 03/01/02 08:35 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

LSD i promise i m not trying to be a smartass, but look at your shrooms and flushes then go to the mushroom pic forum here at the Shroomery and look at all of Joshuas pics and then you tell me why Joshua maybe does things the way he does. Hes got about a years experience and is one hell of a cultivator and teacher if you ask me. Lets face facts without people like Joshua, Anno,Workman, and Ryche here the rest of us couldnt grow a fuckin daisy let alone mushrooms.


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: SouthernGent]
    #566590 - 03/01/02 08:52 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

". Lets face facts without people like Joshua, Anno, Workman, and Ryche here the rest of us couldnt grow a fuckin daisy let alone mushrooms. "

Exactly!!!!

Although.....I wash my hands really well....then break up my cakes too...lolz

But the added step of using a baggie is a good thing...just incase you have some "dog shit" under your finger nail.....or if you forgot to wash after wiping your ass.....lmfaoooooo



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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: LSD_4me]
    #566599 - 03/01/02 09:10 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I know you werent and my post was less directed at you then it was the subject matter. It just seems a waste of valuable energy to debate such a small issue when there are good arguments for both sides. It comes down to either you do or you dont. Simple really.
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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Roadkill]
    #566780 - 03/01/02 12:58 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

lol Road hahhahaaa
well i just use the surgical gloves and thats after wiping my ass lol
hell i ve only did the myco bags and i still wear gloves and stuff.. i did start a casing from one of them using Joshuas 101 deal though.. i m sure i probably fucked it up which is why i used bags in the beginning LOL... but i may have gotten lucky.. i did lysol the fuck out of the work area and used a lot of alchol and tried to be clean as possible..but it is hard to say to the rest of the family excuse me while i steralize the house and dont walk into room A for now LOL at least thats whay my friend told me
P.S. Roadkill you are one of the people "like" the 4 or 5 i mentioned lol.. i ve saw some good pics from you as well which is why I mentioned you in my post to Mcman.. seems to me once you and I realized that neither one took shit and takin a asswhippin wasnt one of our concerns we ve gotten along fine. I appreciate your advice and help here also.


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Joshua]
    #573490 - 03/08/02 04:11 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Like I said in my first post, "Keep in mind that this is a general outline of one procedure to produce a casing. I encourage modifications and use of ingenuity to improve this procedure."

There are many ways to make a casing. I have never used a baggie previous to this thread. I thought the baggie would provide a nice clean environment for the handling of cakes. Of course you can use clean hands.

Someone mentioned the unnecessity of cleanliness/sterility in handling cakes since they are colonised. If you get foreign spores on your cake they are not liable to germinate, true. However as soon as these spores contact uncolonised substrates, be it more nutritive substrate or a casing layer, they may germinate. I myself have probems w/ contams. I am just trying to help others to avoid those same problems.

I'm sorry that I did not maintain this thread and answer ?'s therein, I will be sure to do so from this point forward.

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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Joshua]
    #573530 - 03/08/02 05:19 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

nice job joshua it looks really nice, i wasnt trying to make anyone mad people misinterpret my posts a lot I guess...


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Joshua]
    #594596 - 03/31/02 02:45 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Joshua: Can you give the coir/verm/lime ratios? Also, isn't there a specific type of lime to use and another to avoid at all costs? Thanks for a great tutorial!


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Targa]
    #595415 - 04/01/02 12:49 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Anymore I just eyeball the mix. I use aproximately this ratio of verm/coir/shell:9:9:2. The only ingredient that might be of concern as far as ratio is the shell, you probably wouldn't want to have more than %15 of shell in your mix. The verm and coir can be mixed at any ratio, I prefer equal parts of verm and coir. Others use all coir. Use hydrated lime, I would use half as much lime as shell.

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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Joshua]
    #1510224 - 05/01/03 03:42 AM (19 years, 22 days ago)

It's been a year since our last meeting...have you all been studying?

Any questions?

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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Joshua]
    #1510258 - 05/01/03 03:56 AM (19 years, 22 days ago)

Yes, may I add this pictorial to the shroomery teks?


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Anno]
    #1510288 - 05/01/03 04:10 AM (19 years, 22 days ago)

"Hey, I remember that, thats me in those pics"!

Good old memories........


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: PsilocybeTrybe]
    #1510334 - 05/01/03 04:45 AM (19 years, 22 days ago)

>all im saying is sure you can do it, but its pointless


Being extra careful about contaminants is pointless?


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Anno]
    #1510352 - 05/01/03 04:57 AM (19 years, 22 days ago)

It would be an honor :cool:

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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Joshua]
    #1510560 - 05/01/03 08:37 AM (19 years, 22 days ago)

Joshua, you don't have to break cakes up, or slice them right? Can't you just put them straight in the case, and crumble another cake to fill in the cracks? Wouldn't doing this result in having bigger shrooms/flushes?


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Billyblastoff]
    #1510637 - 05/01/03 09:56 AM (19 years, 22 days ago)

Most indoor unfiltered air has somewhere around 2000 microscopic particulates in every cubic foot, the human eye cannot even see. Some of those particulates are contam spores.

IMHO, The advantage of using a ziplock to crumble a cake in, is straight forward.

Less exposure to unfiltered open air.  :wink:

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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Joshua]
    #1510643 - 05/01/03 09:59 AM (19 years, 22 days ago)

i will definately be using this when it comes time for my little guys to be cased :smile: thanks Joshua and Azurepower! 


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Dank420]
    #1513242 - 05/02/03 12:05 AM (19 years, 21 days ago)

I actually just did the method you describe. I think the advantage to breaking the cakes up is to allow better moisture penetration and aeriation....I don't really know though. I do know that it is much more even when pouring out a couple crubled cakes than laying the two cakes down.

Your method is the exact type of modifications that are important to try.

Search for "Snake eye" in the Pictures/grow log forum for details on the type of casing you just explained.

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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Joshua]
    #1513360 - 05/02/03 12:50 AM (19 years, 21 days ago)

Great job on that tutorial guys! Some things that you could possible add to make it easier for the newbies: Mixing of the casing layer, ratios used in the casing layer and how you went about sterlizing the casing layer. I know all this information is availibal in the FAQs but it would be nice to show the pictures to give people ideas.

Back in the day when I experimented with my first casing, the actual caing layer was the hardest part for me.


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: djd586]
    #1513442 - 05/02/03 01:10 AM (19 years, 21 days ago)

Ya did that compost stuff -- good.

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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: SixTango]
    #1513684 - 05/02/03 02:21 AM (19 years, 21 days ago)

damn i remember reading this pictorial when I did my first casing yesteryear.


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: djd586]
    #1513693 - 05/02/03 02:24 AM (19 years, 21 days ago)

A casing mix pictorial....hmmmm...sounds like fun. I will make one the next time I make my mix.

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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Joshua]
    #1513731 - 05/02/03 02:45 AM (19 years, 21 days ago)

wow dude, thanks, more ppl need to make pictorials.  Especially for the visual learners out there :smile:


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1514034 - 05/02/03 07:23 AM (19 years, 21 days ago)

Still here hey Joshua :laugh:

Some things don`t change here on the shroomery, for one Joshua is still helping all of your sorry asses hehehe :smile:



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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Joshua]
    #1514089 - 05/02/03 08:16 AM (19 years, 21 days ago)

Joshua, I checked out that post, I've come the the conclusion, that I will make 2 casings, one with whole cakes, and one with completely crumbled cakes. The only thing is, one it Thai Koh Samui, and the other is EQ. I think I will use the Thai Koh Samui in the crumbled casing, and the EQ in the whole cake casing. I would like to do it both with the same strain, but it's too late, I have 2 syringes sitting in front of me already. The casings will both be sitting next to each other in the same terrarium, and I'll try and keep a grow log.

PS- It's my first grow.


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Dank420]
    #1514432 - 05/02/03 11:53 AM (19 years, 21 days ago)

You could always make a half/half casing of each strain. One container with half crumbled and half cased of one strain.

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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #1514436 - 05/02/03 11:54 AM (19 years, 21 days ago)

I used to be a sorry ass myself, and still am in some respects. I just hope you all can get at least just a bit of the experience that I get from mushrooms....very magical :cool:

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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Joshua]
    #1514895 - 05/02/03 03:10 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

i agree totally, the trips are definetely not just "getting really high" every one is a defferent experience and it really changes my outlook on life and nature especially when done on hikes.
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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: jakeholman]
    #1517451 - 05/03/03 01:19 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

"You could always make a half/half casing of each strain. One container with half crumbled and half cased of one strain."

Good idea, I think that's exactly what I will do, any reason why this would mess things up, I'll try to make both sides of the half/half casings pretty equal and leveled off.


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Dank420]
    #1517647 - 05/03/03 03:32 PM (19 years, 19 days ago)

Some questions.....

what kind of alcohol/peroxide do you use?
can you put multiple aluminum tins in the same terrarium?
how do you sterilize the casing mix?


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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: DogWorld]
    #1521269 - 05/05/03 06:47 AM (19 years, 18 days ago)

what kind of alcohol/peroxide do you use?

I use a 35% soultion of isopropyl alcohol and a 1.5% solution of the peroxide. Most grocery stores will carry both products. I get 70% alcohol and dilute it 1:1 with water. I get 3% peroxide and use the same diltuion, 1:1 w/ water.

can you put multiple aluminum tins in the same terrarium?

The more....the merrier. Mushrooms like to run in packs, so the more casings the better. Eventually you may be able to make larger casings, mushrooms like larger casings too.

how do you sterilize the casing mix?

I place the proper mix into quart jars with Tyvek filtered lids. I pour filtered water over the casing mix so the mix is a bit on the wet side. I then microwave the jars for at least 2 x 10 minutes. Sometimes I will pressure cook the jars.

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    #1521499 - 05/05/03 11:38 AM (19 years, 18 days ago)



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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: Alien]
    #1521517 - 05/05/03 11:52 AM (19 years, 18 days ago)

Welcome back, shaman.

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Re: Casing 101(pictorial) [Re: SouthernGent] * 1
    #2405524 - 03/05/04 03:31 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

there are many on these boards that know a thing or two about growing mushrooms. it would be impossible to list them all in a single thread!


this is good info, and a very newbie friendly way to begin casings. master this method, and you're on your way to bulk preparations.

note to community: 5 gal paint buckets are your friend.


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