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    #5653327 - 05/20/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

About the inorgainc beings.



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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5653339 - 05/20/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Types of inorganic beings...

Teachers (connected to); Mescalito, Salvia...

Scouts (dream world)

Allies

Dreaming Emissary

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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5653345 - 05/20/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Say something about them.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: Icelander]
    #5653366 - 05/20/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

well, how how are they divided up? In The Art of Dreaming, he talks about them as if they are all part of one entity, but outside of the dreaming worlds, they all seem to be separate entities. Especially in the case of the teachers, they are very individualistic... Its very difficult for me to wrap my head around these ideas, please help me to understand.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5653391 - 05/20/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Not all allies are inorganic beings. Plant teachers are allies, but they have an organism...they are completely organic.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5653402 - 05/20/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I know nothing much about inorganic beings so I won't be too much help. Even if I might have seen one or two I still know nothing about them. :confused:


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5653416 - 05/20/06 01:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
Not all allies are inorganic beings. Plant teachers are allies, but they have an organism...they are completely organic.




I'm not talking about the plant itself, but the spirit connected to it... Salvia is the one I am most acquainted with.... Its seems that the spirit connected to Salvia is an inorganic being who is completely and totally in-control of "his" world. "He" feeds off our energy and trades us for some of his energy and teachings when we visit him. Are you acquainted with Salvia? What are your thoughts? Also, Salvia has shown me the bardo beings, are your familiar with them? How do they fit into the picture?


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5653421 - 05/20/06 02:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Bardo Beings



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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5653441 - 05/20/06 02:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

A person, whether there is a spirit or not (it is irrelevant) is organic. A plant is the same. A being without an organic body would be an inorganic being. Using the word "spirit" is confusing and imprecise. It does not describe anything. I am well aquainted with salvia. It is an ally. I have had contact with beings of some sort in salvia space. Giving them a name would be presumptuous as they are unknown. Salvia is organic and can communicate through a chemical interface. The beings are unknown and to say how they interface with a human would be only theory. They could likely be part of the salvia experience only, but I feel some of them may not necessarily be connected to the salvia realm alone. That would be a theory.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5653523 - 05/20/06 02:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I see what you are saying...

By saying the spirit attached to Salvia I meant that it was not necessarily the plant spirit itself but a separate entity that was connected to the plant for some reason. Therefore, without an organic body. Of course, that was only a feeling and is no way solid.

I only called those beings "bardo beings" because I was overwhelmed and totally encompassed by them in one Salvia experience, later to find a painting by Alex Gray that portrayed them EXACTLY and was entitled "Bardo Being" I was wondering their significance in relation to Salvia - the inorganic beings - the allies...


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5653554 - 05/20/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There is nothing attached to salvia but salvia. It's spirit if it must have one is Salvinorin A...that is what is attached to salvia. I refrain from using cultural specific names for unknown things because they are unknown. The beings you see....maybe part of salvia as a mental experience...maybe they use salvia as an interface...maybe neither. I have interacted with one on salvia that later appeared in a couple of dreams.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5653680 - 05/20/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

things think back at me and display plenty of innuendo in their postures and glances.
this includes as garbage cans, telephones, flowers and their glass vases, and all sorts of fragments of vision, sonic events and progressions of bits felt on the skin.
half of a mixed up word can be an entire revelation when you are well unravelled.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5653752 - 05/20/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"his includes as garbage cans, telephones, flowers and their glass vases, and all sorts of fragments of vision, sonic events and progressions of bits felt on the skin."

Don't even get me started on all that stuff. I have had a water faucet talk to me and had a conversation with the wheel on a shopping cart while using ayahuasca.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5653757 - 05/20/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Even a toilet can have an attitude under such circumstances.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5653762 - 05/20/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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EquilibriuM said:
I'm not talking about the plant itself, but the spirit connected to it... Salvia is the one I am most acquainted with.... Its seems that the spirit connected to Salvia is an inorganic being who is completely and totally in-control of "his" world. "He" feeds off our energy and trades us for some of his energy and teachings when we visit him.




Salvia is female in nature....  Lady Salvia....   
Just to let you know....  :wink:


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #5653834 - 05/20/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

EquilibriuM said:
I'm not talking about the plant itself, but the spirit connected to it... Salvia is the one I am most acquainted with.... Its seems that the spirit connected to Salvia is an inorganic being who is completely and totally in-control of "his" world. "He" feeds off our energy and trades us for some of his energy and teachings when we visit him.




Salvia is female in nature....  Lady Salvia....   
Just to let you know....  :wink:


>^;;^<




NO HE'S NOT.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5653837 - 05/20/06 04:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Actually Salvia is shemale. You're both wrong.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: Icelander]
    #5653846 - 05/20/06 04:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Your right Icelander, actually Salvia doesn't really have a sex. Its a spirit! Just comes to me in a masculine form. And I wouldn't want to disrespect him by calling him "it" all the time


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5654302 - 05/20/06 07:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You guys want stuff to talk to you and communicate...try aya...it is the most strange in this respect.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5654317 - 05/20/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I am most worried about acquiring the ingredients...


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5654326 - 05/20/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There are many ways to make it. You can use banisteriopsis and psychotria to make the real deal or you can use tons of different ingredients to make analogues. The analogues are identical to the original in their effects. Just make sure you have good info so you make an effective mixture. Check out the ayahuasca forums for info...just google ayahuasca forums. "Ayahuasca Analogues" by Jonothan Ott is highly recomended. All of the ingrediants can be easily and legally obtained. Check out; www.iamshaman.com


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5654338 - 05/20/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, I buy my Salvia from iamshaman, they kick ass. Ayahuasca is VERY interesting to me... Can you tell me more about it, its preparations and its effects? I know that tribes make massive brews of it and even small children partake in the experience...


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5654367 - 05/20/06 07:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

One analogue is with peganum harmala and desmanthus illinoensis. Another is peganum harmala and mimosa hostilis. The brew contains DMT which is not orally active due to the action of monoamine oxidase in the digestive system. So one adds harmaline to the mix to inhibit the action of monoamine oxidase. It is a short term MAO inhibitor. So this renders the DMT active in the digestive system. One must abstain from the intake of certain tryptamine containing foods during the first 2 or 3 hours of the experience to prevent a rise in blood pressure. I have had about 20 experiences with it, but my last was 5 years ago so you need to find some more reliable info on the brew and it's contraindications. After the first hour there is about 20 minutes of severe diarrhea and vomiting that is intense but over quickly. It is not a painful thing just intense and fast. The experience lasts about 8 hours. There is a VERY strong auditory component, but it is also much like shrooms in some ways.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5654385 - 05/20/06 08:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"severe diarrhea and vomiting" would you call that cleansing or purification? Why has it been 5 years since your last experience with it?


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5654420 - 05/20/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Because I wanted to learn about it so I did. I just haven't got around to messing with it again. Eventually I will. The vomiting and diarhea are a cleansing type thing and are only mildly unpleasant...as long as you are in an appropriate place. My first time I was in a McDonald's restroom and unprepared. I also had taken a massive amount the first time...so Micky Ds wasn't the best place to be, but I did alright. The only really bad thing is the taste. Aya tastes worse than anything I have ever tasted and making it stinks the house up a little bit. Peyote tastes like candy in comparison. My wife hated the smell and I have stayed away partially so I will not infringe on her olfactory rights. It is beautiful and strange. My next subject of study will probably be Amanita Muscaria. I have been reading up on it for a time.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5654474 - 05/20/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have used aminitas 3 times and still have 2 ounces of them... they are subtle in effect but can be hostile in side effect... The first time I ate 8 grams or so, felt very irritable, waited, waited, waited.... nothing. and this is after fasting. Very disappointed.

Next time I ate 14+ grams, 2 hrs later, I felt very little... I then began to see some strange visuals. The ordinary things still seemed at least as solid as they do normally... I want to say they seemed even more solid. Things would just kind of pop out, but not in any kind of "tripping" sense, I was in a sober mind, I want to say "more sober" then sober. Very strange. I woke up in the middle of the night with severe cold sweats and cramping. My body was in horrible condition I could still see visuals the next day... didn't sleep for the following two days with similar symptoms, almost had a breakdown... but they stopped and I recovered.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5654484 - 05/20/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The third time I ate them was incredible. We all ate some woodrose seeds, some aminitas and some cubensis... Had the most magical night of my life. Probably ate 5 grams of aminitas, 15-20 woodrose seeds and 3 grams of cubensis each.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5654589 - 05/20/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Woodrose sucks. I went through my woodrose phase 15 year ago. It made me feel like shit. Are you aware that you should cook or sautee the amanitas to turn the ibotenic acid which is toxic to muscimole which is non-toxic and psychoactive? After cooking the side effects reportably are minimized.


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    #5654595 - 05/20/06 09:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yes, I cooked them the second time (the worst time). But I got them from iamshaman and they are supposedly already prepared for consumption...


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5654625 - 05/20/06 09:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I will check this out in the near future. In any case aya is worth the trouble. It has only brief side effects, but packs a weird punch with no real physical side effects after the vomiting and crapping. I will say that you feel very clean and pure afterwards. Grocery shopping on aya will change your perspective on it. My woodrose experiment was with 15 seeds and I wasn't very impressed. I got very sick off and on.


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    #5654641 - 05/20/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Oh yeah...aya also amplifies your hearing tremendously. I was once hearing a very loud irritating buzz while in the bathroom and later found it to be the refrigerator buzzing very quietly in the kitchen....which was 50 feet away.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5655165 - 05/21/06 01:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I want to talk to ronald kurniawan
About those inorgainc beings.











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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #6029806 - 09/04/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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About the inorgainc beings.

 




:bump: (?)

Anyways..

What if I said you are inorganic, just as much as you are not...

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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #6031363 - 09/05/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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About the inorgainc beings.






I only like organic beans.


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