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OfflineEquilibriuM
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    #5653327 - 05/20/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

About the inorgainc beings.



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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5653339 - 05/20/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Types of inorganic beings...

Teachers (connected to); Mescalito, Salvia...

Scouts (dream world)

Allies

Dreaming Emissary

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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5653345 - 05/20/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Say something about them.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: Icelander]
    #5653366 - 05/20/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

well, how how are they divided up? In The Art of Dreaming, he talks about them as if they are all part of one entity, but outside of the dreaming worlds, they all seem to be separate entities. Especially in the case of the teachers, they are very individualistic... Its very difficult for me to wrap my head around these ideas, please help me to understand.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5653391 - 05/20/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Not all allies are inorganic beings. Plant teachers are allies, but they have an organism...they are completely organic.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5653402 - 05/20/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I know nothing much about inorganic beings so I won't be too much help. Even if I might have seen one or two I still know nothing about them. :confused:


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5653416 - 05/20/06 01:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
Not all allies are inorganic beings. Plant teachers are allies, but they have an organism...they are completely organic.




I'm not talking about the plant itself, but the spirit connected to it... Salvia is the one I am most acquainted with.... Its seems that the spirit connected to Salvia is an inorganic being who is completely and totally in-control of "his" world. "He" feeds off our energy and trades us for some of his energy and teachings when we visit him. Are you acquainted with Salvia? What are your thoughts? Also, Salvia has shown me the bardo beings, are your familiar with them? How do they fit into the picture?


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5653421 - 05/20/06 02:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Bardo Beings



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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5653441 - 05/20/06 02:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

A person, whether there is a spirit or not (it is irrelevant) is organic. A plant is the same. A being without an organic body would be an inorganic being. Using the word "spirit" is confusing and imprecise. It does not describe anything. I am well aquainted with salvia. It is an ally. I have had contact with beings of some sort in salvia space. Giving them a name would be presumptuous as they are unknown. Salvia is organic and can communicate through a chemical interface. The beings are unknown and to say how they interface with a human would be only theory. They could likely be part of the salvia experience only, but I feel some of them may not necessarily be connected to the salvia realm alone. That would be a theory.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5653523 - 05/20/06 02:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I see what you are saying...

By saying the spirit attached to Salvia I meant that it was not necessarily the plant spirit itself but a separate entity that was connected to the plant for some reason. Therefore, without an organic body. Of course, that was only a feeling and is no way solid.

I only called those beings "bardo beings" because I was overwhelmed and totally encompassed by them in one Salvia experience, later to find a painting by Alex Gray that portrayed them EXACTLY and was entitled "Bardo Being" I was wondering their significance in relation to Salvia - the inorganic beings - the allies...


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5653554 - 05/20/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There is nothing attached to salvia but salvia. It's spirit if it must have one is Salvinorin A...that is what is attached to salvia. I refrain from using cultural specific names for unknown things because they are unknown. The beings you see....maybe part of salvia as a mental experience...maybe they use salvia as an interface...maybe neither. I have interacted with one on salvia that later appeared in a couple of dreams.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5653680 - 05/20/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

things think back at me and display plenty of innuendo in their postures and glances.
this includes as garbage cans, telephones, flowers and their glass vases, and all sorts of fragments of vision, sonic events and progressions of bits felt on the skin.
half of a mixed up word can be an entire revelation when you are well unravelled.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5653752 - 05/20/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"his includes as garbage cans, telephones, flowers and their glass vases, and all sorts of fragments of vision, sonic events and progressions of bits felt on the skin."

Don't even get me started on all that stuff. I have had a water faucet talk to me and had a conversation with the wheel on a shopping cart while using ayahuasca.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5653757 - 05/20/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Even a toilet can have an attitude under such circumstances.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5653762 - 05/20/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

EquilibriuM said:
I'm not talking about the plant itself, but the spirit connected to it... Salvia is the one I am most acquainted with.... Its seems that the spirit connected to Salvia is an inorganic being who is completely and totally in-control of "his" world. "He" feeds off our energy and trades us for some of his energy and teachings when we visit him.




Salvia is female in nature....  Lady Salvia....   
Just to let you know....  :wink:


>^;;^<


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #5653834 - 05/20/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

PhanTomCat said:
Quote:

EquilibriuM said:
I'm not talking about the plant itself, but the spirit connected to it... Salvia is the one I am most acquainted with.... Its seems that the spirit connected to Salvia is an inorganic being who is completely and totally in-control of "his" world. "He" feeds off our energy and trades us for some of his energy and teachings when we visit him.




Salvia is female in nature....  Lady Salvia....   
Just to let you know....  :wink:


>^;;^<




NO HE'S NOT.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5653837 - 05/20/06 04:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Actually Salvia is shemale. You're both wrong.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: Icelander]
    #5653846 - 05/20/06 04:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Your right Icelander, actually Salvia doesn't really have a sex. Its a spirit! Just comes to me in a masculine form. And I wouldn't want to disrespect him by calling him "it" all the time


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5654302 - 05/20/06 07:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You guys want stuff to talk to you and communicate...try aya...it is the most strange in this respect.


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Re: I want to talk and listen [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5654317 - 05/20/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I am most worried about acquiring the ingredients...


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