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Re: Fiction or non-fiction - it doesn't matter [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5650734 - 05/19/06 03:55 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)


It even blinds ones own metaphoric interpretation if one literally sees Jesus walking over the sea. It robs fantasy, it robs spirit, it robs faith if it is presented literally and meant metaphorically..

Now this I dig if thats more of the base of where you are coming from.

Reminds of something moog shared in MR&P about Theuth giving Thamus written language praising what it will do for his people.


Thamus replied: O most ingenious Theuth, the parent or inventor of an art is not always the best judge of the utility or inutility of his own inventions to the users of them. And in this instance, you who are the father of letters, from a paternal love of your own children have been led to attribute to them a quality which they cannot have; for this discovery of yours will create forgetfulness in the learners' souls, because they will not use their memories; they will trust to the external written characters and not remember of themselves. The specific which you have discovered is an aid not to memory, but to reminiscence, and you give your disciples not truth, but only the semblance of truth; they will be hearers of many things and will have learned nothing; they will appear to be omniscient and will generally know nothing; they will be tiresome company, having the show of wisdom without the reality.

I was thinking about my approach to homeschooling the other day. So much vibrant learning is going on in the hands on learning side of it. When it comes to the side of transferring what has been learned down to paper with pen, it becomes so dull and flat for my daughter all of a sudden, and the spirit is gone from her doing that part.

Even if I give her a creative writing assignment, she slows versus if she is verbalizing a story where she can keep her body animated while telling it. That she loves. When having to just sit there and write it out, she ends up adding lots of little pictures on the side and her i's are all dotted with hearts, and her periods at the end of sentences are shaped like Hibiscus flowers.

I have yet to get her to just write out sheets of nothing but sterile letters. It's like I am asking her to put a knife in her heart when I do that.

Just my way of relating that i understand what you are saying there and see it too.

Yet, I do not feel that it should be in the control of anyone but myself to decide for me, what of metaphor I can make literal by materializing it, or what of the literal, I can see metaphor of intangible use with.

That doesn't even matter though. People can put as many controls on the labels that they want too. I DON'T have a problem with that blue. categorize away if you feel it a must for yourself or others.

It won't stop me or others from making of what we will of things anyway.

Like I said, put a literal cancer warning label on cigarettes and people will romanticize and smoke em anyway.

Put a "this is approved by the FDA for your safe use" label on something and some people will die from it anyway.

Just because a correct, honest, or credible authoritative label is put on something, doesn't mean, everyone who goes to consider use of the product (books included) are going to head warnings or take something proven good and have an adverse effect to it.

I think I may be repeating myself now so, I don't think I have much more to say on this subject that I haven't already.

Just know, that I don't have a problem with people wanting fiction labels put on fictional material. Thats not what I am addressing here. All I am saying is, that either way, I'll do what I want with it and explained why.

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Re: Fiction or non-fiction - it doesn't matter [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5650909 - 05/19/06 04:48 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

This thread makes me feel like I'm drinking Bourbon.

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Re: Fiction or non-fiction - it doesn't matter [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5652342 - 05/20/06 05:05 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)


BlueCoyote said:

You once said that placing appreciation "value" on material things "matter" is the downfall of humankind and what has lead to the worlds greed, conflict, poverty and suffering.

Hehe, wow, really ? I must have been angry.
I see some problems, evaluating matter too much, but intended lie is almost as ungood as this :wink:

So why does this all matter to me ? I strongly dislike confabulated stories to fool people. I fully can understand the metaphorical meanings behind the stories, but they may not presented as true, as they never happened that way, if.
It even blinds ones own metaphoric interpretation if one literally sees Jesus walking over the sea. It robs fantasy, it robs spirit, it robs faith if it is presented literally and meant metaphorically..

I can understand that, I just dont agree that it robs from the spirit or robs faith, no matter what way it is presented. Like you said you can fully understand the metaphorical meaning behind the stories. I think its fair to say that its in the eye of the beholder. Wether they are blinded or not by influence of outside sources or not.

I think maybe your concern is to do with the worry of others being decieved?


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