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BluntBeing
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Endo-spores Question
#5651775 - 05/19/06 10:49 PM (18 years, 3 days ago) |
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Im starting a batch of weird grain supposedly "rye" WHEAT, Its only marked wheat but anyway im letting them soak over night, 1 quart jars - one cup grain - one cup water. I dont have any experience doing it this way without the vermiculite but im hoping the extra room will aid this foreign grains expansion well, heres a picture:  
So On to the question, it is, what options do i have as to kill endo spores A. Leave the water inside and P.C. them @ 15 P.S.I. for a total of 60 mins, later drain the water. B. Drain the water and proceed to P.C. them at 15 P.S.I. for a total of 60 mins. C. Simmer the grains (Cook) before P.C.'ing them at the usual 15 P.S.I. for a total of 60 mins.
I was going to state that i could put a-little water at the bottom of the jars just to go the work of opening the grains up but guess well have to see how hard this grain type is. I have however P.C.'ed a 1 quart of navy beans as well as corn with a-little water at the bottom and they soaked it right up, The endospores never arose into the equation but i did get colored mold on the top and i attribute that to the polyfil in the cap trick.
Ive heard vinager in the P.C.'er will keep the water boiling clean anyone else hear of such a method? what about rubbing alcohol? too late i already drank the rest of it, beats endo - endo spores that is!
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fastfred
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Re: Endo-spores Question [Re: BluntBeing]
#5651861 - 05/19/06 11:23 PM (18 years, 3 days ago) |
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Vinegar helps reduce mineral deposits. I wouldn't use it when cooking grains.
I got a good laugh when I read your post. I'm guessing that you asked for rye grain and some salesperson sold you some "rye" wheat. That is altogether too funny.
No offense to you, but you've been had. There is rye and there is wheat, but there is no such thing as rye wheat.
Anyway, you seem to have a few problems in your procedure. You need to soak your grain in water for 24-48 hours. There is no ratio to use... the grain needs to be completely submerged, however much water that takes. After 48 hours drain the grain *fully*, place into jars, and PC 45 min to 1 hour.
The reason to soak the grain rather than just mix with water and PC is so that the endospores will germinate and be killed by the PCing. It's a good idea to refrigerate the soaking grain. Otherwise the grain will start to rot.
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BluntBeing
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Re: Endo-spores Question [Re: fastfred]
#5652002 - 05/20/06 12:18 AM (18 years, 3 days ago) |
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Thanks for the tips, i found this info: http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/equivalents_substitutions.asp?index=R&tid=2141
Makes me feel better, but its still foreign. to me.
http://www.foodsubs.com/GrainWheat.html#wheat_berries
I dont know much about it but its a whole wheat which means its high in gluten, like the stuff that makes breads rise. hope this isnt bad, which i knew where it get gypsum. Can't i just buy some drywall and crmble it up or something?
Edited by BluntBeing (05/20/06 12:55 AM)
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RogerRabbit
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Re: Endo-spores Question [Re: BluntBeing]
#5652449 - 05/20/06 06:46 AM (18 years, 3 days ago) |
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Soaking the grains first has two main benefits. First as said, any endospores that may be present will germinate so they can be 86'd by the pressure cooker. However, endospores are really more of a problem for those using popcorn, rather than other grains. People using rye or wheat rarely report bacterial contamination from endospores when they skip the soak.
I soak for 24 to 36 hours after rinsing the grains very well with hot tap water. I also begin the soak with hot tap water. The heat will help to germinate organisms that may be dormant in the dry grains. After 24 hours, you'll smell a bit of fermentation, but it doesn't hurt a thing. It tells you the organisms in the grains have activated, and will be easy to kill in the PC.
Perhaps one of the best reasons to soak first is to soften up the grains slowly so they can absorb moisture without cracking the kernels. If you dump dry grains into water and bring it to a boil, the grains will burst as they absorb water too fast to stretch enough to hold it all. Soaking will soften them slowly and they won't burst. Burst kernels are sticky(starchy) and much slower to colonize than intact grains.
Yes, you can crumble up a piece of drywall to use the gypsum. I'd recommend getting a brand new clean piece of drywall. Perhaps visit a construction site where they're sheetrocking and ask the foreman for a few scraps. They have to haul them to the dump anyway. Add a tablespoon of finely crushed gypsum to each two gallons of soak water to keep the grains from sticking together and clumping up later. RR
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Tippinthru
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Well said & factual
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BluntBeing
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Quote:
Add a tablespoon of finely crushed gypsum to each two gallons of soak water to keep the grains from sticking together and clumping up later.
So in otherwards the jars that i have soaking, one tablespoon for each?
Should the gypsum be moise first to compensate for the whole mix not drying out?
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Re: Endo-spores Question [Re: BluntBeing]
#5653858 - 05/20/06 04:31 PM (18 years, 3 days ago) |
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A tablespoon of gypsum in two gallons of water isn't going to dry anything out. RR
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Drywall is fine to use. Just remember that most all sheetrock today is reinforced with fiberglass. You'll see a bunch of "hairs" sticking out when you break it. Don't worry, though, the fiberglass is inert. Just didn't want you to freak when you notice the hairs.
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